McCree's Hit on Houshmandsadeh, Dr. Z's opinion - The Orange Mane

WoodMan · 11-16-2006, 07:53 PM

I only post this because we play the Chugger's Sunday
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ess/index.html
The health and welfare of the players risking themselves in one of America's most violent sports is, unfortunately, in the hands of a system more concerned with political correctness, with image, than with safety. But this is nothing new. Players know it. Coaches know it.

Only the foolish believe that the league, paying never-ending lip service to the politics of the rules, really has a handle on what constitutes truly dangerous fouls as opposed to cosmetic unsightliness.

In the fourth quarter of last Sunday's Cincinnati-San Diego game the Bengals' T.J. Houshmandzadeh, certainly one of the most valuable adjuncts to the team's offense, ran a pattern downfield. Before the ball ever got to him, Chargers free safety Marlon McCree got him up high with a kill shot to the head. McCree is a serious hitter. He's good at this. I've seen him deliver other blows in this manner, but this was one of his better ones because it stretched the Bengal receiver, groggy, for ... well, I didn't count for how long but it was quite a while and it looked bad.

The penalty enforced by Scott Green, the referee, was pass interference, spot foul, 18 yards. That's it. Interference. I'll say he interfered with him. Two plays later, with the Cincinnati crowd still booing, as much for the play as for the fact that McCree was still in the game, the guy knifed through and tackled Rudi Johnson for no gain. And the crowd rose up in a mighty roar. McCree, responding as an actor would on stage, pointed a finger at the stands and taunted the fans. Now the intensity of the noise went up even higher, and all the while Green and his crew, standing around with fingers up their you know whats, were spectators to this grim scene. And this is what poses as player safety.

You know how, when the defense appeals a criminal conviction, the lawyer tries to make a big thing of the remorse the perpetrator showed? Well, McCree, to his credit, resorted to none of this hypocritical nonsense. There was nothing but pure malice in this man, operating, I would assume, under the protection of some arcane set of rules that define specific instances in which a player could be thrown out of a game.

WoodMan · 11-16-2006, 07:56 PM

If it had been Lynch he would have been tossed.

BigBad · 11-16-2006, 07:56 PM

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.

Malcontent · 11-16-2006, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBad

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.

And I hope he lays a good one on any one of the Chargless Recievers.

nickelbolt · 11-16-2006, 08:01 PM

Even TJ admitted that after watching the tape the hit wasn't dirty. Dr. Z is a bonafide pu$ssy.

The Lone Bolt · 11-16-2006, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBad

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

THANK YOU!! Jeez Dr. Z is ****ING BLIND!!

BroncoFanCam · 11-16-2006, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBad

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.

Who gives a crap, it was flagrant... He intentionally hit the guy early, with teh sole purpose of doing him harm. Helmet to helmet? Who gives a damn, it was as dirty a play as I have seen, and as intentional as they come.

He should have been tossed.

2KBack · 11-16-2006, 08:23 PM

I don't have a problem with the hit not being penalized, What I have a problem with is the inconsitancy with penalties. Lynch does not head hunt like so many believe, as a matter of fact the Mcree hit was pretty much the same hit that Lynch has been fined for so many times. Lynch keeps getting hit with the "defenseless reciever" penalties, where was that penalty on the mcree hit?

nickelbolt · 11-16-2006, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoFanCam

Who gives a crap, it was flagrant... He intentionally hit the guy early, with teh sole purpose of doing him harm. Helmet to helmet? Who gives a damn, it was as dirty a play as I have seen, and as intentional as they come.

He should have been tossed.

He did not intentionally hit him early - Marlon admitted he lost sight of the ball and thought he was breaking up the pass.

Watch the video:
http://nfl.aolsportsblog.com/2006/11...oushmandzadeh/

400HZ · 11-16-2006, 08:40 PM

Dr. Z is always astounding in his absolute cluelessness. McCree didn't even get a personal foul on the play. He also apologized up and down after the game for Houshmanzadeh getting hurt. Houshmanzadeh said it wasn't a dirty hit. Why are Dr. Dipsh*ts panties in a bundle?

Boltergeist · 11-16-2006, 09:01 PM

Dr. Z is a stupid tool. McCree mistimed the hit and the flag was correctly thrown. Whoseyomomma only got hurt from hitting Godfrey's leg as he was trying to jump over him. TJ's own analysis after watching the replay about sums it up.

CINCINNATI -- Bengals receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh forgave San Diego safety Marlon McCree for the early, high hit that left him groggy.

The former Oregon State player watched a replay of the fourth-quarter hit, which left him momentarily unconscious, and decided on Monday there was nothing wrong with it.

McCree drew a pass interference penalty for the hit in San Diego's 49-41 victory over Cincinnati. As he fell, Houshmandzadeh's head connected with the knee of linebacker Randall Godfrey.

"He was just trying to make a play on the ball," Houshmandzadeh said. "He got there a little too soon. It wasn't actually his hit that hurt me. It was the fact that the linebacker was coming so fast. He tried to jump over me but as he jumped, he kneed me in the head. It was just one of those split-second type of accidents, basically."

McCree apologized for the hit, saying he lost sight of the ball and was just trying to break up the pass. Houshmandzadeh's helmet flew off, and he lay motionless on the field for a few seconds. He was groggy when trainers helped him off the field.
Although he felt better in the game's closing minutes, the medical staff wouldn't let him return.

"He was OK the last drive, but when a guy loses consciousness, they're not going to allow him to go back in the game," coach Marvin Lewis said on Monday. "So he'll be evaluated again -- he's already had one test, he'll have the second test on Wednesday morning and should be cleared."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2660801

Hogan11 · 11-16-2006, 10:48 PM

Totally clean hit....I had no problems with it whatsoever.

Incidently, I have no love for Housmawhatever or any of the rest of the Bengals...while it would've been great to see SD lose, I'm just as satisfied to see Sincy pushed further out of the post-season picture.

Pendejo · 11-16-2006, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogan11

Totally clean hit....I had no problems with it whatsoever.

Incidently, I have no love for Housmawhatever or any of the rest of the Bengals...while it would've been great to see SD lose, I'm just as satisfied to see Sincy pushed further out of the post-season picture.

Ok. So if you smash someone a full second before the ball reaches them it's a clean hit? I knew you were the downer type, but I didn't figure you for an imbecile.

ludo21 · 11-16-2006, 11:48 PM

"It was a bad play on my part. I apologized to him. I'm going to pray for him. And I'm going to call him on Monday and make sure he is okay because the last thing I want to do is end a guy's career on a cheap shot."

so which is it

It was early and he even called it a cheap shot.

400HZ · 11-17-2006, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21

"It was a bad play on my part. I apologized to him. I'm going to pray for him. And I'm going to call him on Monday and make sure he is okay because the last thing I want to do is end a guy's career on a cheap shot."

so which is it

It was early and he even called it a cheap shot.

Obviously McCree has no idea what he's talking about

Popps · 11-17-2006, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBad

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.
.

Oh, well... if T.J. said it, you're right... the rest of the forum is on board, then.

nickelbolt · 11-17-2006, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendejo

Ok. So if you smash someone a full second before the ball reaches them it's a clean hit? I knew you were the downer type, but I didn't figure you for an imbecile.

So a Pendejo is implying that someone is an imbecile...

WABronco · 11-17-2006, 12:38 AM

The only problem I had with the hit was it's obvious mis-timing.

I had more of a problem with TJ saying that him and his "boys" would go all "gang violence" on McCree. That was pretty smart.

Dedhed · 11-17-2006, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBad

Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean.

Was it early? YES
Was it helmet to helmet? NO

If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.

It was a cheap a$$ chicken $hit hit regardless of whether it was h2h.

BigBad · 11-17-2006, 12:50 AM

Javon is Next

WABronco · 11-17-2006, 12:52 AM

Whatever-scrub-receiver-you've-got-playing-now is NEXT

OWNED

bfoflcommish · 11-17-2006, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBad

Javon is Next

you're right last TD didn't go to Javon...HE IS NEXT!

boltaneer · 11-17-2006, 01:02 AM

No fine or suspension yet.

I guess the NFL finds it to be a legal hit. We'll see if they take any action by Sunday.

Pendejo · 11-17-2006, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boltaneer

No fine or suspension yet.

I guess the NFL finds it to be a legal hit. We'll see if they take any action by Sunday.

I don't think anyone is looking for a suspension, but there certainly should be a fine. I mean he cleaned the dude's clock well before the ball got to him. It was a cheap shot.

I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

Charger fans wouldn't be so glib if it was Gates, ot McCardell getting slammed early.

Garcia Bronco · 11-17-2006, 01:46 AM

it looked helmet to helmet to me...

11-16-2006, 07:53 PM	#1
WoodMan Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gulf Coast of Mississippi Posts: 1,327	McCree's Hit on Houshmandsadeh, Dr. Z's opinion I only post this because we play the Chugger's Sunday http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ess/index.html The health and welfare of the players risking themselves in one of America's most violent sports is, unfortunately, in the hands of a system more concerned with political correctness, with image, than with safety. But this is nothing new. Players know it. Coaches know it. Only the foolish believe that the league, paying never-ending lip service to the politics of the rules, really has a handle on what constitutes truly dangerous fouls as opposed to cosmetic unsightliness. In the fourth quarter of last Sunday's Cincinnati-San Diego game the Bengals' T.J. Houshmandzadeh, certainly one of the most valuable adjuncts to the team's offense, ran a pattern downfield. Before the ball ever got to him, Chargers free safety Marlon McCree got him up high with a kill shot to the head. McCree is a serious hitter. He's good at this. I've seen him deliver other blows in this manner, but this was one of his better ones because it stretched the Bengal receiver, groggy, for ... well, I didn't count for how long but it was quite a while and it looked bad. The penalty enforced by Scott Green, the referee, was pass interference, spot foul, 18 yards. That's it. Interference. I'll say he interfered with him. Two plays later, with the Cincinnati crowd still booing, as much for the play as for the fact that McCree was still in the game, the guy knifed through and tackled Rudi Johnson for no gain. And the crowd rose up in a mighty roar. McCree, responding as an actor would on stage, pointed a finger at the stands and taunted the fans. Now the intensity of the noise went up even higher, and all the while Green and his crew, standing around with fingers up their you know whats, were spectators to this grim scene. And this is what poses as player safety. You know how, when the defense appeals a criminal conviction, the lawyer tries to make a big thing of the remorse the perpetrator showed? Well, McCree, to his credit, resorted to none of this hypocritical nonsense. There was nothing but pure malice in this man, operating, I would assume, under the protection of some arcane set of rules that define specific instances in which a player could be thrown out of a game.

11-16-2006, 11:48 PM	#14
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,898 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	"It was a bad play on my part. I apologized to him. I'm going to pray for him. And I'm going to call him on Monday and make sure he is okay because the last thing I want to do is end a guy's career on a cheap shot." so which is it It was early and he even called it a cheap shot.

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11-16-2006, 07:56 PM	#2
WoodMan Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Gulf Coast of Mississippi Posts: 1,327	If it had been Lynch he would have been tossed.

11-16-2006, 07:56 PM	#3
BigBad Donk Hater Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 496	Watch the hit it was SHOULDER TO SHOULDER! Even T.J. said it was clean. Was it early? YES Was it helmet to helmet? NO If you want dirty helmet leading safeties, look no furthur than your boy Lynch.

11-16-2006, 08:01 PM	#5
nickelbolt Nice Hat Rat! Nice Hat Rat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 57	Even TJ admitted that after watching the tape the hit wasn't dirty. Dr. Z is a bonafide pu$ssy.

11-16-2006, 08:23 PM	#8
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,274	I don't have a problem with the hit not being penalized, What I have a problem with is the inconsitancy with penalties. Lynch does not head hunt like so many believe, as a matter of fact the Mcree hit was pretty much the same hit that Lynch has been fined for so many times. Lynch keeps getting hit with the "defenseless reciever" penalties, where was that penalty on the mcree hit?

11-16-2006, 08:40 PM	#10
400HZ Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,342 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ed Hochuli	Dr. Z is always astounding in his absolute cluelessness. McCree didn't even get a personal foul on the play. He also apologized up and down after the game for Houshmanzadeh getting hurt. Houshmanzadeh said it wasn't a dirty hit. Why are Dr. Dipsh*ts panties in a bundle?

11-16-2006, 09:01 PM	#11
Boltergeist Rookie Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 60	Dr. Z is a stupid tool. McCree mistimed the hit and the flag was correctly thrown. Whoseyomomma only got hurt from hitting Godfrey's leg as he was trying to jump over him. TJ's own analysis after watching the replay about sums it up. CINCINNATI -- Bengals receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh forgave San Diego safety Marlon McCree for the early, high hit that left him groggy. The former Oregon State player watched a replay of the fourth-quarter hit, which left him momentarily unconscious, and decided on Monday there was nothing wrong with it. McCree drew a pass interference penalty for the hit in San Diego's 49-41 victory over Cincinnati. As he fell, Houshmandzadeh's head connected with the knee of linebacker Randall Godfrey. "He was just trying to make a play on the ball," Houshmandzadeh said. "He got there a little too soon. It wasn't actually his hit that hurt me. It was the fact that the linebacker was coming so fast. He tried to jump over me but as he jumped, he kneed me in the head. It was just one of those split-second type of accidents, basically." McCree apologized for the hit, saying he lost sight of the ball and was just trying to break up the pass. Houshmandzadeh's helmet flew off, and he lay motionless on the field for a few seconds. He was groggy when trainers helped him off the field. Although he felt better in the game's closing minutes, the medical staff wouldn't let him return. "He was OK the last drive, but when a guy loses consciousness, they're not going to allow him to go back in the game," coach Marvin Lewis said on Monday. "So he'll be evaluated again -- he's already had one test, he'll have the second test on Wednesday morning and should be cleared." http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2660801

11-16-2006, 10:48 PM	#12
Hogan11 Rock-N-Roll Historian Let's take these SOB's out!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: W.NY.B.C. Posts: 21,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Floyd Little	Totally clean hit....I had no problems with it whatsoever. Incidently, I have no love for Housmawhatever or any of the rest of the Bengals...while it would've been great to see SD lose, I'm just as satisfied to see Sincy pushed further out of the post-season picture.

11-17-2006, 12:38 AM	#18
WABronco WE SUCK AGAIN All dat force Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 4,976	The only problem I had with the hit was it's obvious mis-timing. I had more of a problem with TJ saying that him and his "boys" would go all "gang violence" on McCree. That was pretty smart.

11-17-2006, 12:50 AM	#20
BigBad Donk Hater Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 496	Javon is Next

11-17-2006, 12:52 AM	#21
WABronco WE SUCK AGAIN All dat force Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denver Posts: 4,976	Whatever-scrub-receiver-you've-got-playing-now is NEXT OWNED

11-17-2006, 01:02 AM	#23
boltaneer 17 ATTA BABY! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: America's Finest City Posts: 4,066	No fine or suspension yet. I guess the NFL finds it to be a legal hit. We'll see if they take any action by Sunday.

11-17-2006, 01:46 AM	#25
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,987 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	it looked helmet to helmet to me...