how far is to far?

[alkemical]

http://www.nbc11.com/news/10328455/detail.html

Video Shows UCLA Police Using Stun Gun On Student

LOS ANGELES -- A cell phone captured video of a 23-year-old student being administered multiple Taser shocks by UCLA police on Tuesday.

The UCLA student was hit with the Taser shocks multiple times while he was in the Powell Library Computer Lab.

Another student recorded the incident on a camera phone. On the video, Mostafa Tabatabainejad can be heard screaming during the incident, which took place at about 11:30 p.m., the Daily Bruin reported.

According to the paper, Tabatabainejad did not show ID to community service officers who were conducting a random check. UCLA police said Tabatabainejad was released by police after he was cited for obstruction/delay of a peace officer in the performance of duty.

The Daily Bruin reported that Tabatabainejad complained when an officer was escorting him from the lab and put his hand on one of Tabatabainejad's arms. He allegedly yelled, "Get off of me," according to the paper. He was then shot with the Taser, reported the paper.

The Daily Bruin reported that after he was hit, Tabatabainejad yelled, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f---ing abuse of power."

Police said they thought Tabatabainejad was not harmed in the incident.

"If he was able to walk out of here, I think he was OK," the sergeant said.

[TailgateNut]

I thought Tensi worked in NM

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

I thought Tensi worked in NM

You mis-read the story... If it was Tensi it would of been

"Mall security guard Tasers own testicles while trying to apprehend local teenage hoodlum"

[TailgateNut]

I just about choked on a slice of orange! Thanks for the laugh!

[-Slap-]

Campus police, no less.

These tasers are dangerous business. People die from getting tasered by the cops all the time.

The idea is for tasers to provide police with a non lethal alternative to pulling their firearms. Unfortunately, this means police are much more likely to escalate force this way.

[alkemical]

that's more or less the direction i am going for Slap. When a 'non-leathal' alternative exists, how much quicker is it used?

[alkemical]

http://www.unknownnews.org/061112-dna.html

A criminal in the family casts suspicion on the whole family?
Feds relax safeguards on DNA evidence

by Sally Lehrman, Scientific American Nov. 12, 2006

If a sibling or other close relation of yours ever went to prison for more than a year, suspicion of criminal behavior now extends to you. The Federal Bureau of Investigation recently opened its forensic DNA database of felony offenders and certain other arrestees to allow states to share information that does not exactly match blood, semen or other crime scene evidence but may come close enough to finger a relative. Critics fear, however, that partial matches intrude on privacy and cast suspicion far too widely.

The FBI originally created the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) in 1990 to help investigators search among convicted sex offenders and other violent criminals for matches to evidence from unsolved crimes. Over the years, its use has rapidly widened to include other types of felons, juvenile offenders and some who committed misdemeanors. Five states can collect DNA from some arrests, whereas federal authorities may acquire biological samples from those who are arrested as well as from non-citizens who are detained. Nationally officials have compiled more than 3.6 million profiles based on 13 regions, or loci, of the human genome that vary among individual people.


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[Spider]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

I thought Tensi worked in NM

He does ....Roscoe P Coltrain of new Mexico at your service .....

[SteveTensi13]

I'd much rather use a Taser than pepper spray. Pepper spray affects last up to 1 hour after employment and quite possibly into the next day. Where as a Taser lasts only 5 seconds, you might be a little disoriented afterwards but not much more than that!

I like to call it "ride the lightning!" 50,000 volts of persuasion. Do as I say or suffer the consequences.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

I'd much rather use a Taser than pepper spray. Pepper spray affects last up to 1 hour after employment and quite possibly into the next day. Where as a Taser lasts only 5 seconds, you might be a little disoriented afterwards but not much more than that!

I like to call it "ride the lightning!" 50,000 volts of persuasion. Do as I say or suffer the consequences.

you armed with anything is a bad idea

[alkemical]

So here is another question:

If the "state" pushes with agents who are more apt to use force, how does this effect the populous towards their feelings and reactions toward the state and it's employees?

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

that's more or less the direction i am going for Slap. When a 'non-leathal' alternative exists, how much quicker is it used?

Its a recipe for disaster. The potential for death increases dramatically when these "non-lethal" alternatives are employed on suspects who have unknown medical conditions. The odds an officer might encounter a suspect with drugs in their system are high and this is another problem. If a person's health is already compromised, these electric jolts (rarely is only one shock administered) can often prove fatal. These deaths are routinely attributed to the complicatiing factors and not the taser.

Poorly trained law enforcement officers, those in poor physical condition and idiots with a cowboy mentality are improperly using these devices and people are dying needlessly.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

Its a recipe for disaster. The potential for death increases dramatically when these "non-lethal" alternatives are employed on suspects who have unknown medical conditions. The odds an officer might encounter a suspect with drugs in their system are high and this is another problem. If a person's health is already compromised, these electric jolts (rarely is only one shock administered) can often prove fatal. These deaths are routinely attributed to the complicatiing factors and not the taser.

Poorly trained law enforcement officers, those in poor physical condition and idiots with a cowboy mentality are improperly using these devices and people are dying needlessly.

I see it as the domino effect upon that. Then people die, the cops get cleared - and it creates a dissent upon people.

I think the lack of respect works both ways. Give what you get....

[Smiling Assassin27]

The Daily Bruin perspective...

UCPD officers shot a student several times with a Taser inside the Powell Library CLICC computer lab late Tuesday night before taking him into custody.

No university police officers were available to comment further about the incident as of 3 a.m. Wednesday, and no Community Service Officers who were on duty at the time could be reached.

At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.

The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.

It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.

UCPD officers confirmed that the man involved in the incident was a student, but did not give a name or any additional information about his identity.

Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ****** abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers.

As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.

"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.

Gordy was visibly upset by the incident and said other students were also disturbed.

"It's a shock that something like this can happen at UCLA," she said. "It was unnecessary what they did."

Immediately after the incident, several students began to contact local news outlets, informing them of the incident, and Remesnitsky wrote an e-mail to Interim Chancellor Norman Abrams.

[alkemical]

I should develop some type of vest that will short out the taser causing the cops to get shocked.

[orangenblue2]

Watch it for yourself. If you can stomach it...

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006...-to-be-of.html

[orangenblue2]

Claviculasolomonis - Sorry dude, I didn't realize that you had already posted a link to the video...

[alkemical]

No worries man - someone may have missed it from before.

[W*GS]

If you want to avoid getting tasered successfully, wear multiple layers, with a leather jacket. Those darts aren't as penetrative as the manufacturers claim.

Of course, a cop who attempts to taser you and fails will get out his sidearm.

Your call.

[alkemical]

well i guess it's settled, i have no choice but to either be electrocuted or shot.

[SteveTensi13]

Well, the way I look at it. I like my uniform nice and clean, I dont like rolling around in the dirt with some scumbag probably infected with aids or Hepetitis. So, if I can zap him BEFORE things get out of control so much better for me and them! Pull trigger, badguy falls to the guy twitching like a fish out of water, cuff him/her up, 10-98. I guess you guys would prefer I get out my expandable baton and flail on him/her like they were Rodney King.

I've been carrying my Taser for 2 years now and have used the prongs twice. I use the "dry stun" method more often. Which means you take off the cartridge and ram the Taser into someones gut and pull the trigger. Best used when in close quarters or when someone continues to resist that could cause injury or property damage.

[alkemical]

Wow, with cops like these, no wonder NWA & ICE-T had such hit songs... err anthems.

[defenseman]

The student should have quietly left. The students who felt offended, then they don't understand what a policeman is payed to do. IF, anyone does not capitulate wrt lawful orders from a peace officer, you get what you deserve. No exceptions. And, as long as excessive force isn't used, you'll never win a lawsuit. Just the way it is, it can be no other way wrt to officers of the law..dman

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by defenseman

The student should have quietly left. The students who felt offended, then they don't understand what a policeman is payed to do. IF, anyone does not capitulate wrt lawful orders from a peace officer, you get what you deserve. No exceptions. And, as long as excessive force isn't used, you'll never win a lawsuit. Just the way it is, it can be no other way wrt to officers of the law..dman

And there lies the potential problem...

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

Well, the way I look at it. I like my uniform nice and clean, I dont like rolling around in the dirt with some scumbag probably infected with aids or Hepetitis. So, if I can zap him BEFORE things get out of control so much better for me and them! Pull trigger, badguy falls to the guy twitching like a fish out of water, cuff him/her up, 10-98. I guess you guys would prefer I get out my expandable baton and flail on him/her like they were Rodney King.

I've been carrying my Taser for 2 years now and have used the prongs twice. I use the "dry stun" method more often. Which means you take off the cartridge and ram the Taser into someones gut and pull the trigger. Best used when in close quarters or when someone continues to resist that could cause injury or property damage.

I actually have a lot of respect for the job law enforcement officials perform. Your first response was very flippant and suggested you enjoying lighting people up as casually as you would a Marlboro, thus my response.