BroncoFan Has Serious Problems

[epicSocialism4tw]

Just as last season, the season before, and the season before that, BroncoFan has an obvious obsession.

Things are good. Really good. On the verge of Superbowl good in Denver. Things have not been this good since Elway, TD, and the best OLine in Denver history left town.

This season, an all-time great CB is blossoming before our eyes, and he has revolutionized the position in a way. He is the "gamewinning" CB. The CB who can literally win games for his team even though he isnt in the offense and doesnt play on the defensive line. Champ Bailey is here, and he has raised the bar for corners in the NFL. If he continues play at this level, I think that he becomes the all-timer at that spot, and certainly the premeir player at CB for his generation.

Al Wilson is the best MLB in the AFC this season, and is laying the wood in his typical fashion.

John Lynch has shown a resurgence.

Kenard Lang and Elvis Dumervil are nice surprises, while Gerard Warren has proven that he's an awesome two-phase DT.

Javon Walker is simply the most talented WR ever to don the orange and blue. He's a force.

Tom Nalen is having a nice season, and showing enough to make me think that he could be back again next season.

Cooper Carslile has stepped up his play enough that Shanny is running behind him in critical situations.

Rod Smith is still churning away and moving up the all-time receptions and yards lists.


But, with all of those great things going on in Broncofanland, the major topic of discussion revolves around the struggling QB and the struggling offense. Mainly the struggling QB. Despite a successful career in Denver, he has been thrown under the bus.

There's nothing wrong with being realistic, or being critical about problem areas of the team. The Jake Plummer hatred in Broncofanland is beyond realism or criticism. It is an obsession.

[fontaine]

Man, no one is expecting Jake to put up Pro Bowl stats. I'm just expecting him to be a little better than average because if our QB can't consistently find guys like Walker/Rod/Alexander then he becomes a LIABILITY on the field.

The Raiders constantly stacked the line and even left Walker on one on one situations a lot of times simply because Plummer doesn't scare anyone. Jake is hurting this offense more than he is helping. Any other year and 17/14 points per game and we lose consistently. Thank God we've got the defense to play at an elite level to pick up the slack.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Man, no one is expecting Jake to put up Pro Bowl stats. I'm just expecting him to be a little better than average because if our QB can't consistently find guys like Walker/Rod/Alexander then he becomes a LIABILITY on the field.

The Raiders constantly stacked the line and even left Walker on one on one situations a lot of times simply because Plummer doesn't scare anyone. Jake is hurting this offense more than he is helping. Any other year and 17/14 points per game and we lose consistently. Thank God we've got the defense to play at an elite level to pick up the slack.

Well, the point is that we have so many other topics to discuss.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by angryllama

There's nothing wrong with being realistic, or being critical about problem areas of the team. The Jake Plummer hatred in Broncofanland is beyond realism or criticism. It is an obsession.

yep

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Well, the point is that we have so many other topics to discuss.

I hear you. I put up a thread after the Raiders game: "Ecstatic and Overjoyed to be 7-2" but it's down the 2nd page now.

But hey, the only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about at all right?

[freak6]

If Joke was even mediocre, we would ALL be behind him. He's one of if not the worst QB in the NFL. To win a SB, a consistent QB is a must have since it is win or go home, and he has to be better than worse in 3-4 straight games. Joke ain't it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

BroncoFan Has Serious Problems

It's OK, the biggest one will be gone after this year.

[BroncoFanatic]

Not to be confused with BroncoFanatic

I believe alot of the criticism of Jake comes from younger fans who don't appreciate what it feels like to watch your team be demolished 55-10 in a Super Bowl. Elway took A LOT of flack for his perceived inability to win the big one back then. Younger fans do not have that perspective, which results in a lack of appreciation for the success Jake has had as our starter.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Well, the point is that we have so many other topics to discuss.

Then discuss them.

Others will discuss what is, and should be the biggest story about the Broncos. Since the cap era began, there's been only 1 team with a marginal QB to win the SB, and that team was freakishly stacked in every other area. If we're going to win, Plummer needs to play better, or play elsewhere.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by BroncoFanatic

Not to be confused with BroncoFanatic
I believe alot of the criticism of Jake comes from younger fans who don't appreciate what it feels like to watch your team be demolished 55-10 in a Super Bowl. Elway took A LOT of flack for his perceived inability to win the big one back then. Younger fans do not have that perspective, which results in a lack of appreciation for the success Jake has had as our starter.

That's a good point. One of the most gratifying things about Elway is that he eventually overcame. At the same time, he didnt really have a team to compete with until 1996.

Elway had some mediocre years in Denver.

[Barry Ramey]

Great post. Seems some are more intent to bash Plummer more than anything else. I'm not sure how many other QB's would do well in Denver when even simple incompletions are judged and graded. Griese was run out of town and Plummer will soon follow. I hope Cutler starts out playing well or he'll be next.

Originally Posted by angryllama

Just as last season, the season before, and the season before that, BroncoFan has an obvious obsession.

Things are good. Really good. On the verge of Superbowl good in Denver. Things have not been this good since Elway, TD, and the best OLine in Denver history left town.

This season, an all-time great CB is blossoming before our eyes, and he has revolutionized the position in a way. He is the "gamewinning" CB. The CB who can literally win games for his team even though he isnt in the offense and doesnt play on the defensive line. Champ Bailey is here, and he has raised the bar for corners in the NFL. If he continues play at this level, I think that he becomes the all-timer at that spot, and certainly the premeir player at CB for his generation.

Al Wilson is the best MLB in the AFC this season, and is laying the wood in his typical fashion.

John Lynch has shown a resurgence.

Kenard Lang and Elvis Dumervil are nice surprises, while Gerard Warren has proven that he's an awesome two-phase DT.

Javon Walker is simply the most talented WR ever to don the orange and blue. He's a force.

Tom Nalen is having a nice season, and showing enough to make me think that he could be back again next season.

Cooper Carslile has stepped up his play enough that Shanny is running behind him in critical situations.

Rod Smith is still churning away and moving up the all-time receptions and yards lists.


But, with all of those great things going on in Broncofanland, the major topic of discussion revolves around the struggling QB and the struggling offense. Mainly the struggling QB. Despite a successful career in Denver, he has been thrown under the bus.

There's nothing wrong with being realistic, or being critical about problem areas of the team. The Jake Plummer hatred in Broncofanland is beyond realism or criticism. It is an obsession.

[Barry Ramey]

Plus Elways was helped with a great running game, namely TD. Since Plummer has been with the Broncos, they have gone through quite a few RB's.

Originally Posted by angryllama

That's a good point. One of the most gratifying things about Elway is that he eventually overcame. At the same time, he didnt really have a team to compete with until 1996.

Elway had some mediocre years in Denver.

[clarkster]

us denver fans have been spoiled. cant find a goal tender worth a ****, cant find a QB worth a ****, theres always the Nugs though...

[freak6]

Originally Posted by BroncoFanatic

Younger fans do not have that perspective, which results in a lack of appreciation for the success Jake has had as our starter.

I have that perspective. But I also see how much potential this season has that is destined to fail with Joke at the reins.

[HitEmCold]

I believe alot of the criticism of Jake comes from younger fans who don't appreciate what it feels like to watch your team be demolished 55-10 in a Super Bowl. Elway took A LOT of flack for his perceived inability to win the big one back then. Younger fans do not have that perspective, which results in a lack of appreciation for the success Jake has had as our starter.

You are kidding me, right? There is a big difference in the way Elway performed in the 80's, more specifically 86 thru 89, than the way Jake is playing now. To start, that team in 1989 that played San Francisco wasn't a very good team. Any long time Bronco fan can tell you they weren't very confident going into that Superbowl. Elway willed and carried the Broncos to those three superbowls. With Joke Pluumer at Qb we wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs those years. Elway consistently made plays to win games, remember the drive? Does Plummer pulled that game off, on the road in a hostile environment?

I appreciate your optomistic point of view, but lets be for real. Comparing Elway not being able to lead an undermatched Broncos team against one of the greatest offenses ever,the 89' 49ers, to Joke's inability to produce for this current team is rediculous.

[gunns]

Originally Posted by BroncoFanatic

Not to be confused with BroncoFanatic

I believe alot of the criticism of Jake comes from younger fans who don't appreciate what it feels like to watch your team be demolished 55-10 in a Super Bowl. Elway took A LOT of flack for his perceived inability to win the big one back then. Younger fans do not have that perspective, which results in a lack of appreciation for the success Jake has had as our starter.

BS. I'm one of the older Bronco fans. I know exactly what it's like losing 55-10, having your D give up a good portion of the 55 pts, and your QB struggle. The difference is that that was the third SB that ELWAY had GOTTEN us to.

I ask only one, no two things of Jake. Not to turn the ball over in his bonehead way of doing it. An interception is one thing, having your head turned the opposite way and just tossing it is a whole other thing. The second thing is just one game where our D isn't playing that well, our running game isn't smoking, Jake would take the reins and LEAD this team for once to a win.

[gunns]

Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

Plus Elways was helped with a great running game, namely TD. Since Plummer has been with the Broncos, they have gone through quite a few RB's.

Sorry, I can't even comment on this post. It's beyond comprehension.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Originally Posted by gunns

BS. I'm one of the older Bronco fans. I know exactly what it's like losing 55-10, having your D give up a good portion of the 55 pts, and your QB struggle. The difference is that that was the third SB that ELWAY had GOTTEN us to.

I ask only one, no two things of Jake. Not to turn the ball over in his bonehead way of doing it. An interception is one thing, having your head turned the opposite way and just tossing it is a whole other thing. The second thing is just one game where our D isn't playing that well, our running game isn't smoking, Jake would take the reins and LEAD this team for once to a win.

Jake was 8 of 8 or something on the winning drive. if that's not taking the reins and leading when the running game isn't smoking, what is?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

This team is not Super Bowl good, and the QB position is not the only reason why.

[Sassy]

Originally Posted by BroncoFanatic

Not to be confused with BroncoFanatic

I believe alot of the criticism of Jake comes from younger fans who don't appreciate what it feels like to watch your team be demolished 55-10 in a Super Bowl. Elway took A LOT of flack for his perceived inability to win the big one back then. Younger fans do not have that perspective, which results in a lack of appreciation for the success Jake has had as our starter.

I agree with this.

[BMF Bronco]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Jake was 8 of 8 or something on the winning drive. if that's not taking the reins and leading when the running game isn't smoking, what is?

10-11 in on certain stretch

[BroncoFanatic]

Originally Posted by HitEmColdGold

You are kidding me, right? There is a big difference in the way Elway performed in the 80's, more specifically 86 thru 89, than the way Jake is playing now.

You mean like, Elway averaged 16.2 INTs a season in the 1980s, whereas Jake has averaged 15.6 since coming to Denver?

I am in no way saying Jake is as good as Elway. But if fans like yourself could see through the haze of hate you have for Plummer, you might realize that he is better than alot of starting QBs out there.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Jake was 8 of 8 or something on the winning drive. if that's not taking the reins and leading when the running game isn't smoking, what is?

Yeah!!!! Let's celebrate a good stretch against the putrid Oakland Raiders who are now 2-7. Denver would have been buried by a good team after the way the offense played for most of the game.

[BroncoFanatic]

Originally Posted by freak6

I have that perspective. But I also see how much potential this season has that is destined to fail with Joke at the reins.

Many said the same things about Elway back then. That is the perspective you don't have. Had those voices prevailed back then, Reeves would have gotten his way and traded Elway away...

[gunns]

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

Jake was 8 of 8 or something on the winning drive. if that's not taking the reins and leading when the running game isn't smoking, what is?

You forgot the fumble by Plummer on the 4 yard line that Nash saved. Besides the fact there wouldn't have had to be a game winning drive without the turnover that brought about the points Oakland got to be ahead.