back to reality - The Orange Mane

mhgaffney · 11-08-2006, 07:13 PM

I understand it's party time. I'm celebrating too. Something very important has just happened.

But -- within a day of two -- we must come back to reality. And the reality is NOT pretty. Check out this report from Gaza.

Israeli PM Olmert has included an out and out racist/fascist to shore up his government. His name: Avigdor Lieberman. Not Joe, this is a different Lieberman -- even worse than the opportunist from CT. This other Lieberman thinks Palestinians are a lower form of life -- and should simply be driven into the desert to die.

In the last few days, while America was focused on the election, at least 260 Palestinians were killed or wounded. Even women are now regarded as a threat.

The following report comes straight from Gaza -- no filters.

A brutal taste of the future

The assault on Beit Hanoun is a terrifying example of what lies in store for Palestinians

By Sami Abdel-Shafi in Gaza City

11/08/06 "Guardian" -- -- The initiation of Avigdor Lieberman - widely regarded as an outright racist - into Ehud Olmert's Israeli government seems to have already brought a taste of things to come. For the past week, the Gaza Strip city of Beit Hanoun has been made a ground zero by the Israeli army. By yesterday, more than 260 Palestinians lay dead and injured, with 53 fatalities - women, children and ambulance drivers among them.

The Israeli army had vowed to end the firing of home-made rockets towards southern Israel. Many Palestinians disagree with the use of these makeshift rockets, but regard Israeli offensives as flagrantly disproportionate. Beit Hanoun was left with no men between the ages of 16 and 45 in the wake of a massive forced round-up by the Israeli army last Thursday night amid helicopter gunfire, tanks and artillery shelling. Women and children in the city sent urgent calls for help through Gaza's radio stations. To these jobless women, losing their men meant breakdown in their households.

On Friday morning, scores of women marched through Beit Hanoun in a spontaneous rush to aid friends and loved ones after hearing their pleas. Unarmed, they were shot at by Israeli soldiers from their tanks; two women were left dead and others severely injured. These women were said to have been heading to a mosque to free armed men who took refuge there. Television footage and interviews with witnesses show these women posed no military threat, but they were treated as such by the Israeli army without warning.

Meanwhile, Lieberman's party, Yisrael Beiteinu ("Israel is Our Home"), envisages expelling Palestinians or subjecting them to such misery that they are forced to leave. The party's spin doctors state it more mildly, saying that it proposes to relocate Palestinians to areas under the Palestinian Authority's control. The Beit Hanoun offensive offers an example of what lies in store for them.

Today, the Palestinian Authority tries to govern a besieged Gaza Strip and a West Bank with disconnected cities and villages. The 1.4 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are imprisoned by closure policies, impoverished and without any hope of a dignified life or economic development. The 1.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank are quickly catching up in a collapse created by the dozens of Israeli military checkpoints and the separation wall which make their lives impossible. Israeli restrictions on movement have made the Palestinians of East Jerusalem look as though they live in a faraway country, from the point of view of West Bankers and Gazans.

The present subjugation of Palestinians to siege, poverty and confinement - in addition to continuing Israeli military attacks - can only make it easier for our people to slip into infighting and tragedy. Both the international community and peace-loving Israelis and Palestinians will inevitably face ever more criticism for their failure to stem this tide of misery. Even to those who never supported Hamas, it is impossible to ignore such a huge double standard: the outside world accepts Lieberman's appointment as deputy prime minister, despite his extreme views, while it boycotts the Palestinian Authority's elected Hamas administration.

One can only wonder at Olmert's insistence that his deputy will not diminish whatever prospects remain of peace. Israel's offensives against Gaza punish an entire population. Bulldozing the area's water and sewage systems, including those built with international donor funding, killing civilians and subjecting tens of thousands of residents to oppressive military measures represent the reality of Israel's policy, whatever its stated objectives.

· Sami Abdel-Shafi is senior partner at Emerge Consulting Group, in Gaza City - sami.abdelshafi@emergeconsultants.com

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2006

ClevelandBronco · 11-08-2006, 08:00 PM

gaff.

Reality.

Shoot me in the head. Now.

SteveTensi13 · 11-09-2006, 01:43 PM

I always considered Palestinians sort of like roaches, shine the light on them and they scatter. I have no problem with driving them into the desert to die or the ocean to drown, either way suits me just fine!

alkemical · 11-09-2006, 02:05 PM

http://www.lyricsfind.com/b/black-sa...-the-grave.php

Revolution in their minds - the children start to march
Against the world in which they have to live
And all the hate that's in their hearts
They're tired of being pushed around
And told just what to do
They'll fight the world until they've won
And love comes flowing through

Children of tomorrow live in the tears that fall today
Will the sun rise up tomorrow bringing peace in any way?
Must the world live in the shadow of atomic fear?
Can they win the fight for peace or will they disappear?

So you children of the world,
Listen to what i say
If you want a better place to live in
Spread the words today
Show the world that love is still alive
You must be brave
Or you children of today are
Children of the grave, yeah!

bendog · 11-09-2006, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

I always considered Palestinians sort of like roaches, shine the light on them and they scatter. I have no problem with driving them into the desert to die or the ocean to drown, either way suits me just fine!

Have you considered a future with the stasi or nkvd perhaps?

More good news
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061109/...many_obit_wolf

You'd have liked though

sutoazul · 11-09-2006, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

I always considered Palestinians sort of like roaches, shine the light on them and they scatter. I have no problem with driving them into the desert to die or the ocean to drown, either way suits me just fine!

Is this kind of talk allowed on this forum??
ban his ass. Do not erase the post, but punish SteveTensi13

Spider · 11-09-2006, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I understand it's party time. I'm celebrating too. Something very important has just happened.

But -- within a day of two -- we must come back to reality. And the reality is NOT pretty. Check out this report from Gaza.

Thats thier reality not ours ........ Dont realy give a damn ..Fight back or move .........

alkemical · 11-09-2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sutoazul

Is this kind of talk allowed on this forum??
ban his ass. Do not erase the post, but punish SteveTensi13

as much as i'd like to hang him for his more than uncanny impressions of B. Arnold - under the comprimise of the US Constitution - i have to allow him to speak.

Spider · 11-09-2006, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

as much as i'd like to hang him for his more than uncanny impressions of B. Arnold - under the comprimise of the US Constitution - i have to allow him to speak.

I cant believe I am going to say this , but my simple minded meter maid friend has a point .........it is interfering trying to make things better is why we are in a war with terrorism right now .....we need to cut support to Israel also ...... now if you will excuse me , I need to slam my truck door shut on my hand over and over to ease the pain of pointing out Steve may have a point ...........

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-09-2006, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by §Pide®

I cant believe I am going to say this , but my simple minded meter maid friend has a point .........it is interfering trying to make things better is why we are in a war with terrorism right now .....we need to cut support to Israel also ...... now if you will excuse me , I need to slam my truck door shut on my hand over and over to ease the pain of pointing out Steve may have a point ...........

He doesn't have a point. He's a racist and a bigot and proudly states so.

Spider · 11-09-2006, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

He doesn't have a point. He's a racist and a bigot and proudly states so.

and there is that aspect also

alkemical · 11-09-2006, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

He doesn't have a point. He's a racist and a bigot and proudly states so.

He is allowed to do that. I don't like it any more than klan rallys - but i'd rather it be words than bombs and bullets that are exchanged.

bendog · 11-09-2006, 02:24 PM

I say bushii should send Lieberman over there until his voice drives them all so crazy that they make peace just to get Lieberman to leave.

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-09-2006, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

He is allowed to do that. I don't like it any more than klan rallys - but i'd rather it be words than bombs and bullets that are exchanged.

I don't know. What do you think about police officers threatening to jail Americans because of their political affiliation?

ak1971 · 11-09-2006, 02:36 PM

we should mini nuke the world!

Hotrod · 11-09-2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I don't know. What do you think about police officers threatening to jail Americans because of their political affiliation?

Well he obviously did a damn poor job of it. Im moving to Canada

alkemical · 11-09-2006, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I don't know. What do you think about police officers threatening to jail Americans because of their political affiliation?

http://it.uwp.edu/gangsters/ice-t.cop.killer.html

Spider · 11-09-2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Well he obviously did a damn poor job of it. Im moving to Canada

This time of year ? Florida is the place to go .........

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-09-2006, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Well he obviously did a damn poor job of it. Im moving to Canada

Actually, this is what he says he now is going to do because of the election results. I find nothing humorous about it all really.

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13
"I'll tell you one thing. When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying."

Hotrod · 11-09-2006, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by §Pide®

This time of year ? Florida is the place to go .........

Ya Im screwed I cant leave either direction. I've talked **** about Canada for years and the illegals would kill me in Mexico. I guess I'll just stay here and let the communist err leftys take all my money in taxes

Im not bitter I swear

They have the keys lets see if they have the balls to drive this country.

Hotrod · 11-09-2006, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Actually, this is what he says he now is going to do because of the election results. I find nothing humorous about it all really.

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13
"I'll tell you one thing. When I go back to work, the first vehicle I see with a pro-democrat bumper sticker will get a nice visit from the friendly policeman and that friendly policeman just might find some incriminating drugs in said vehicle. I'm not saying, I'm just saying."

Blah you've heard of the dog and his bark compared to his bite. I dont think mall security get to hand out real tickets anyway

Spider · 11-09-2006, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Ya Im screwed I cant leave either direction. I've talked **** about Canada for years and the illegals would kill me in Mexico. I guess I'll just stay here and let the communist err leftys take all my money in taxes

Im not bitter I swear

They have the keys lets see if they have the balls to drive this country.

Thanks now I can quit work and live in style ......... tis good to be lefty

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-09-2006, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Blah you've heard of the dog and his bark compared to his bite. I dont think mall security get to hand out real tickets anyway

Being of a member of the NM state patrol he's probably handed out more than a few tickets. The nation's police are held to higher standards than the public since they are paid by the public to protect and serve the public. They are expected to act professionally and hold no bias in serving the public. Even if this post was half in jest, but who really knows, this kind of behavior is unacceptable by America's police force.

Spider · 11-09-2006, 02:55 PM

Rodney King .....

Hotrod · 11-09-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by §Pide®

Thanks now I can quit work and live in style ......... tis good to be lefty

You might get all my $ but you sir wont be getting a X-Mas card this year

11-08-2006, 07:13 PM	#1
mhgaffney Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 9,845	back to reality I understand it's party time. I'm celebrating too. Something very important has just happened. But -- within a day of two -- we must come back to reality. And the reality is NOT pretty. Check out this report from Gaza. Israeli PM Olmert has included an out and out racist/fascist to shore up his government. His name: Avigdor Lieberman. Not Joe, this is a different Lieberman -- even worse than the opportunist from CT. This other Lieberman thinks Palestinians are a lower form of life -- and should simply be driven into the desert to die. In the last few days, while America was focused on the election, at least 260 Palestinians were killed or wounded. Even women are now regarded as a threat. The following report comes straight from Gaza -- no filters. A brutal taste of the future The assault on Beit Hanoun is a terrifying example of what lies in store for Palestinians By Sami Abdel-Shafi in Gaza City 11/08/06 "Guardian" -- -- The initiation of Avigdor Lieberman - widely regarded as an outright racist - into Ehud Olmert's Israeli government seems to have already brought a taste of things to come. For the past week, the Gaza Strip city of Beit Hanoun has been made a ground zero by the Israeli army. By yesterday, more than 260 Palestinians lay dead and injured, with 53 fatalities - women, children and ambulance drivers among them. The Israeli army had vowed to end the firing of home-made rockets towards southern Israel. Many Palestinians disagree with the use of these makeshift rockets, but regard Israeli offensives as flagrantly disproportionate. Beit Hanoun was left with no men between the ages of 16 and 45 in the wake of a massive forced round-up by the Israeli army last Thursday night amid helicopter gunfire, tanks and artillery shelling. Women and children in the city sent urgent calls for help through Gaza's radio stations. To these jobless women, losing their men meant breakdown in their households. On Friday morning, scores of women marched through Beit Hanoun in a spontaneous rush to aid friends and loved ones after hearing their pleas. Unarmed, they were shot at by Israeli soldiers from their tanks; two women were left dead and others severely injured. These women were said to have been heading to a mosque to free armed men who took refuge there. Television footage and interviews with witnesses show these women posed no military threat, but they were treated as such by the Israeli army without warning. Meanwhile, Lieberman's party, Yisrael Beiteinu ("Israel is Our Home"), envisages expelling Palestinians or subjecting them to such misery that they are forced to leave. The party's spin doctors state it more mildly, saying that it proposes to relocate Palestinians to areas under the Palestinian Authority's control. The Beit Hanoun offensive offers an example of what lies in store for them. Today, the Palestinian Authority tries to govern a besieged Gaza Strip and a West Bank with disconnected cities and villages. The 1.4 million Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are imprisoned by closure policies, impoverished and without any hope of a dignified life or economic development. The 1.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank are quickly catching up in a collapse created by the dozens of Israeli military checkpoints and the separation wall which make their lives impossible. Israeli restrictions on movement have made the Palestinians of East Jerusalem look as though they live in a faraway country, from the point of view of West Bankers and Gazans. The present subjugation of Palestinians to siege, poverty and confinement - in addition to continuing Israeli military attacks - can only make it easier for our people to slip into infighting and tragedy. Both the international community and peace-loving Israelis and Palestinians will inevitably face ever more criticism for their failure to stem this tide of misery. Even to those who never supported Hamas, it is impossible to ignore such a huge double standard: the outside world accepts Lieberman's appointment as deputy prime minister, despite his extreme views, while it boycotts the Palestinian Authority's elected Hamas administration. One can only wonder at Olmert's insistence that his deputy will not diminish whatever prospects remain of peace. Israel's offensives against Gaza punish an entire population. Bulldozing the area's water and sewage systems, including those built with international donor funding, killing civilians and subjecting tens of thousands of residents to oppressive military measures represent the reality of Israel's policy, whatever its stated objectives. · Sami Abdel-Shafi is senior partner at Emerge Consulting Group, in Gaza City - sami.abdelshafi@emergeconsultants.com Guardian Unlimited © Guardian News and Media Limited 2006

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11-08-2006, 08:00 PM	#2
ClevelandBronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Freedonia Posts: 1,643	gaff. Reality. Shoot me in the head. Now.

11-09-2006, 01:43 PM	#3
SteveTensi13 GIVE ME SOME MORE ORANGE OLD SCHOOL BRONCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Helmand province, Afghanistan Posts: 1,830 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brandon Stokley	I always considered Palestinians sort of like roaches, shine the light on them and they scatter. I have no problem with driving them into the desert to die or the ocean to drown, either way suits me just fine!

11-09-2006, 02:05 PM	#4
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,723 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	http://www.lyricsfind.com/b/black-sa...-the-grave.php Revolution in their minds - the children start to march Against the world in which they have to live And all the hate that's in their hearts They're tired of being pushed around And told just what to do They'll fight the world until they've won And love comes flowing through Children of tomorrow live in the tears that fall today Will the sun rise up tomorrow bringing peace in any way? Must the world live in the shadow of atomic fear? Can they win the fight for peace or will they disappear? So you children of the world, Listen to what i say If you want a better place to live in Spread the words today Show the world that love is still alive You must be brave Or you children of today are Children of the grave, yeah!

11-09-2006, 02:24 PM	#13
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	I say bushii should send Lieberman over there until his voice drives them all so crazy that they make peace just to get Lieberman to leave.

11-09-2006, 02:36 PM	#15
ak1971 uhhhh Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,550	we should mini nuke the world!

11-09-2006, 02:55 PM	#24
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Rodney King .....