2006 Election Results Thread - Page 3 - The Orange Mane

Crushaholic · 11-07-2006, 11:59 AM

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...CAL19/61107003

2:54 p.m. - IU computer expert says voting machine problems no surprise

The problems encountered across Indiana today with new electronic voting machines come as no surprise to computer security expert Steven Myers.
"Any time you switch to new technology that people haven't been using and are not trained well on, you should expect some glitches," said Myers, an assistant professor at the Indiana University School of Informatics. "There are so many places where things can go wrong."

While problems may not be the result of any intentional efforts to affect the outcome of elections, Myers said he understands why many people may worry about whether or not their votes will be accurately recorded and counted. That is especially true, he said, for people who vote on machines that do not provide a paper trail documenting their votes.

"As a computer security expert, this is hugely concerning to me," he explained. "Without a paper trail, how can you feel confident that the output at the end of the day matches the actual vote? I'm not aware of any security expert that thinks these electronic voting machines are secure -- and that should raise some red flags."

Myers also wonders if we really need electronic voting machines.

"Technology for technology's sake is not necessarily a good thing," he said. "If they had used the money spent on electronic voting to upgrade the paper process, I think you would have had a better system -- and one that gave voters more confidence."

Uncertainty about votes cast on electronic machines only fuels doubts and suspicions about the legitimacy of the electoral process, he said.

"I'm not accusing anyone of doing anything wrong," said Myers, "but the potential is there and it doesn't need to be."

Garcia Bronco · 11-07-2006, 12:04 PM

We don't need electronic voting machines and It hink the process worked fine the way it did.

Rohirrim · 11-07-2006, 12:35 PM

From NBC's Ron Allen
Mark Sheridan of the New Jersey GOP says there's a "developing and disturbing trend" of voters going into an electronic voting booth and finding that the machine already has registered a vote for Democratic Senate incumbent Bob Menendez.. They're saying complaints keep coming into their office. "It's too widespread for it to be a coincidence," Sheridan said.

He said the state attorney general's office has been alerted. "If it continues, we're going to court," Sheridan said. GOP officials say they've not heard of a case where a machine was locked or preset for Tom Kean Jr., Menendez's Republican challenger.

How widespread is this? They're being a bit cagey about that. The GOP says it has obtained signed affidavits from four voters and they're gathering more, from "multiple voters at multiple locations." They also claim that several voters who complained have been "tossed out of polling places."

The GOP says some of the polling places that have been cited are in "Democratic areas."

Hmmm. Maybe all those Kean commercials linking Menendez to the mob were closer than they thought?

epicSocialism4tw · 11-07-2006, 12:46 PM

Why cant they just knife-battle it out, Sharks v. Jets style? At the very least, it would be much more entertaining.

Crushaholic · 11-07-2006, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angryllama

Why cant they just knife-battle it out, Sharks v. Jets style? At the very least, it would be much more entertaining.

At least it would be honest. I'm listening to a commercial right now where a candidate is slamming another candidate for slinging mud and then proceeds to sling more mud herself. I can't wait for this day to end...

TailgateNut · 11-07-2006, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angryllama

Why cant they just knife-battle it out, Sharks v. Jets style? At the very least, it would be much more entertaining.

If it comes down to that, my money is on the democrat. They are more used to fighting, whereas the repubs are used to sending people to fight!

epicSocialism4tw · 11-07-2006, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

If it comes down to that, my money is on the democrat. They are more used to fighting, whereas the repubs are used to sending people to fight!

Is there a Fozzy Bear smilie?

bendog · 11-07-2006, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

We don't need electronic voting machines and It hink the process worked fine the way it did.

Instead of all the Diebold crap, the congress just should have offered federal tax money to all states to put the old lever machines in every district that hadn't been able to afford ones yet.

DomCasual · 11-07-2006, 01:11 PM

Wow. We have all new machines here in Utah, and I'm pretty impressed. I guess the key is making sure they work; because when they do, it flies by. The polling place is about three minutes from my house, and I was actually in the building for less than five minutes. That includes waiting in line and voting.

TailgateNut · 11-07-2006, 01:14 PM

It's not a question of data entry. It's a question of programing flaws and fraud.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 11-07-2006, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bendog

Instead of all the Diebold crap, the congress just should have offered federal tax money to all states to put the old lever machines in every district that hadn't been able to afford ones yet.

It is easier to commit fraud on the lever machines than the new ones. All you need it an unscrupulous or careless election official.

defenseman · 11-07-2006, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

It is easier to commit fraud on the lever machines than the new ones. All you need it an unscrupulous or careless election official.

Yep, couple of minor adjustments and whammo you got the output you desire...dman

Jose Chung · 11-07-2006, 02:00 PM

Bush said, "...it's a priviledge to vote here in the United States." That's a bunch of crap, because it's our RIGHT to vote.

I'm gonna watch the Indecision 2006 aka Midterm Midtacular on Comedy Central. It's not a whole bunch of spin like the other shows. It may be fake news but it's a lot less crap than the 24 hour news shows.

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-07-2006, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

It is easier to commit fraud on the lever machines than the new ones. All you need it an unscrupulous or careless election official.

We could use electronic machines or paper ballots marked manually.

Crushaholic · 11-07-2006, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jose Chung

Bush said, "...it's a priviledge to vote here in the United States." That's a bunch of crap, because it's our RIGHT to vote.

Actually, both terms are correct. It's a right until you become a felon. Then, it becomes a privilege that is taken away. I would also add that it's a DUTY for Americans to vote. We're not being compelled to vote for a particular person while looking down the barrel of a gun, and I'm very proud of that fact...

defenseman · 11-07-2006, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jose Chung

Bush said, "...it's a priviledge to vote here in the United States." That's a bunch of crap, because it's our RIGHT to vote.

I'm gonna watch the Indecision 2006 aka Midterm Midtacular on Comedy Central. It's not a whole bunch of spin like the other shows. It may be fake news but it's a lot less crap than the 24 hour news shows.

right to vote, yes it is, IF you register and meet all other legal requirements.

I'm sure that show will be entertaining at least, however, only if you aren't interested in the facts wrt the outcome of the election. Which it appears you won't be interested in tonite anyway. Perhaps, tomorrow morning? Enjoy your show..dman

*I'm guessing alot of those 24 hour shows will in fact get major return tonite.

SoCalBronco · 11-07-2006, 02:18 PM

I'm hearing some things...

Gov. Erlich isn't going to pull it out in MD....Steele, however is looking good to beat Dem Ben Cardin.

Things are looking good for Jim Talent

Some of the GOP house seats in CT, NY, PA at great risk are pretty much dead...GOP turnout there very light.

DomCasual · 11-07-2006, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jose Chung

Bush said, "...it's a priviledge to vote here in the United States." That's a bunch of crap, because it's our RIGHT to vote.

I'm gonna watch the Indecision 2006 aka Midterm Midtacular on Comedy Central. It's not a whole bunch of spin like the other shows. It may be fake news but it's a lot less crap than the 24 hour news shows.

Sort of looking for a reason to be offended, aren't you?

defenseman · 11-07-2006, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomCasual

Sort of looking for a reason to be offended, aren't you?

Fair assessment there Dom...dman

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-07-2006, 02:25 PM

FBI investigating some complaints now...

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Poll workers struggle with vote machines
By ANICK JESDANUN, Associated Press Writer 33 minutes ago

Programming errors and inexperience dealing with electronic voting machines frustrated poll workers in hundreds of precincts Tuesday, delaying voters in several states and leaving some with little choice but to use paper ballots instead.

SNIP

Quote:

In a few places, the voting problems had nothing to do with machines.

A poll worker in Louisville, Ky., was arrested after he was accused of choking and pushing a voter out the door, and a man in Allentown, Penn., was accused of smashed a touchscreen voting machine with a paperweight, possibly compromising 130 earlier votes.

In Columbus, Ohio, a break-in at a school that doubles as a polling place delayed voters while police investigated. A bomb threat briefly shut down voting at a Madison, Wis., polling site. In North Carolina, about 100 voters waited nearly an hour to vote at a church because the person with the key was late.

In Virginia, the State Board of Election asked the FBI to investigate a series of complaints about phone calls to voters that give them the wrong polling place information or told them they couldn't vote. New Mexico Democrats had reported similar complaints earlier, and the Athens County, Ohio, prosecutor had warned voters there to be wary of fraudulent calls about precinct changes.

There were also some obscure voting machine problems.

Republicans in Passaic County, N.J., complained a ballot had been pre-marked on some machines with a vote for the Democratic Senate candidate; the state attorney general was looking into the matter.

In suburban Pittsburgh, some locations opened late because the machines couldn't be zeroed out, so workers weren't sure votes from past elections had been cleared.

Although turnout generally is lower in midterm elections, this year was the deadline for many of the election changes enacted in the wake of the Florida balloting chaos of 2000. The 2002 Help America Vote Act, among other things, required or helped states to replace outdated voting equipment and establish voter registration databases.

Control of Congress is also at stake this year, and because individual congressional races are generally decided by fewer votes than presidential contests, any problems at the polls are more likely to affect the outcome.

According to Election Data Services, a Washington, D.C., consulting firm, 32 percent of registered voters were using equipment added since the 2004 elections.

Nearly half of all voters were using optical-scan systems that ask them to fill in blanks, with ballots then fed into a computer. Thirty-eight percent were casting votes on touchscreen machines that have been criticized as susceptible to hackers.

Just getting to the right polling place with the right identification posed a challenge for some voters.

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford was turned away the first time because he didn't have a voter registration card.

Many states established voter registration databases for the first time and found problems matching drivers' license and
Social Security data with voter rolls, sometimes simply because of a middle initial.

DomCasual · 11-07-2006, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

FBI investigating some complaints now...

-----------------------------------------------------------
Poll workers struggle with vote machines
By ANICK JESDANUN, Associated Press Writer 33 minutes ago

Programming errors and inexperience dealing with electronic voting machines frustrated poll workers in hundreds of precincts Tuesday, delaying voters in several states and leaving some with little choice but to use paper ballots instead.

SNIP

Well, the average age of the volunteers where I voted appeared to be about 103, so I could see them having some problems with them newfangled things.

That being said - God bless those little old people. They have to be the most friendly people I ever encounter. They seem to just be thrilled to participate in the process.

bendog · 11-07-2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Guy

It is easier to commit fraud on the lever machines than the new ones. All you need it an unscrupulous or careless election official.

But didn't the lever machines have a trail? They could be examined after the vote. Diebold can't be, as the code for fraud can eat itself.

ps, also one has to rig each machine individually. So, as I recall, the ticket was to station a worker with each machine, and follow it to the place where it was locked up overnight.

Spider · 11-07-2006, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jose Chung

Bush said, "...it's a priviledge to vote here in the United States." That's a bunch of crap, because it's our RIGHT to vote.

I'm gonna watch the Indecision 2006 aka Midterm Midtacular on Comedy Central. It's not a whole bunch of spin like the other shows. It may be fake news but it's a lot less crap than the 24 hour news shows.

man you are right on ........... Sad we have to get fake news for the truth .............Bush is an ásshole , ...........

bendog · 11-07-2006, 03:04 PM

Right/Prividege. Whatever. I'm just sooo Pissed. Here I was all set to vote DimoRat, but did anybody offer me a beer or even a cheap cigar? No. So, I had to vote for Lott again.

O, I wish I was in the land of cotton
Old times there are not forgotten
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.

In Dixie Land where I was born in
Early on one frosty mornin'
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.

Chorus:
O, I wish I was in Dixie!
Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
To live and die in Dixie
Away, away,
Away down south in Dixie!

Old Missus marry Will, the weaver,
William was a gay deceiver
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.

But when he put his arm around her
He smiled as fierce as a forty pounder
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.

Chorus:
O, I wish I was in Dixie!
Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
To live and die in Dixie
Away, away,
Away down south in Dixie!

His face was sharp as a butcher's cleaver
But that did not seem to grieve her
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.
Old Missus acted the foolish part
And died for a man that broke her heart
Look away! Look away!
Look away! Dixie Land.

Chorus:
O, I wish I was in Dixie!
Hooray! Hooray!
In Dixie Land I'll take my stand
To live and die in Dixie
Away, away,
Away down south in Dixie!

Spider · 11-07-2006, 03:10 PM

voting for Lott = Smashing my thumb over and over with a hammer while shouting , this is for my own good ..............

11-07-2006, 02:18 PM	#67
SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,297 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	I'm hearing some things... Gov. Erlich isn't going to pull it out in MD....Steele, however is looking good to beat Dem Ben Cardin. Things are looking good for Jim Talent Some of the GOP house seats in CT, NY, PA at great risk are pretty much dead...GOP turnout there very light. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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11-07-2006, 11:59 AM	#51
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,043	http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...CAL19/61107003 2:54 p.m. - IU computer expert says voting machine problems no surprise The problems encountered across Indiana today with new electronic voting machines come as no surprise to computer security expert Steven Myers. "Any time you switch to new technology that people haven't been using and are not trained well on, you should expect some glitches," said Myers, an assistant professor at the Indiana University School of Informatics. "There are so many places where things can go wrong." While problems may not be the result of any intentional efforts to affect the outcome of elections, Myers said he understands why many people may worry about whether or not their votes will be accurately recorded and counted. That is especially true, he said, for people who vote on machines that do not provide a paper trail documenting their votes. "As a computer security expert, this is hugely concerning to me," he explained. "Without a paper trail, how can you feel confident that the output at the end of the day matches the actual vote? I'm not aware of any security expert that thinks these electronic voting machines are secure -- and that should raise some red flags." Myers also wonders if we really need electronic voting machines. "Technology for technology's sake is not necessarily a good thing," he said. "If they had used the money spent on electronic voting to upgrade the paper process, I think you would have had a better system -- and one that gave voters more confidence." Uncertainty about votes cast on electronic machines only fuels doubts and suspicions about the legitimacy of the electoral process, he said. "I'm not accusing anyone of doing anything wrong," said Myers, "but the potential is there and it doesn't need to be."

11-07-2006, 12:04 PM	#52
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	We don't need electronic voting machines and It hink the process worked fine the way it did.

11-07-2006, 12:35 PM	#53
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,830	From NBC's Ron Allen Mark Sheridan of the New Jersey GOP says there's a "developing and disturbing trend" of voters going into an electronic voting booth and finding that the machine already has registered a vote for Democratic Senate incumbent Bob Menendez.. They're saying complaints keep coming into their office. "It's too widespread for it to be a coincidence," Sheridan said. He said the state attorney general's office has been alerted. "If it continues, we're going to court," Sheridan said. GOP officials say they've not heard of a case where a machine was locked or preset for Tom Kean Jr., Menendez's Republican challenger. How widespread is this? They're being a bit cagey about that. The GOP says it has obtained signed affidavits from four voters and they're gathering more, from "multiple voters at multiple locations." They also claim that several voters who complained have been "tossed out of polling places." The GOP says some of the polling places that have been cited are in "Democratic areas." Hmmm. Maybe all those Kean commercials linking Menendez to the mob were closer than they thought?

11-07-2006, 12:46 PM	#54
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Why cant they just knife-battle it out, Sharks v. Jets style? At the very least, it would be much more entertaining.

11-07-2006, 01:11 PM	#59
DomCasual The Dude abides. Shameless Homer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Cocytus Posts: 13,167 Adopt-a-Bronco: Gus Frerotte	Wow. We have all new machines here in Utah, and I'm pretty impressed. I guess the key is making sure they work; because when they do, it flies by. The polling place is about three minutes from my house, and I was actually in the building for less than five minutes. That includes waiting in line and voting.

11-07-2006, 01:14 PM	#60
TailgateNut Bleedin' orange! .......as much as tebonites Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mile High Posts: 20,018 Adopt-a-Bronco: Howard Griffith	It's not a question of data entry. It's a question of programing flaws and fraud.

11-07-2006, 02:00 PM	#63
Jose Chung Trust No One She's with me. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tucson Posts: 88 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Bell (UA)	Bush said, "...it's a priviledge to vote here in the United States." That's a bunch of crap, because it's our RIGHT to vote. I'm gonna watch the Indecision 2006 aka Midterm Midtacular on Comedy Central. It's not a whole bunch of spin like the other shows. It may be fake news but it's a lot less crap than the 24 hour news shows.

11-07-2006, 03:04 PM	#74
bendog Marginally Continent David Bowens, he'd be an upgrade Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Folsom Prison Posts: 19,935 Adopt-a-Bronco: David Bowens	Right/Prividege. Whatever. I'm just sooo Pissed. Here I was all set to vote DimoRat, but did anybody offer me a beer or even a cheap cigar? No. So, I had to vote for Lott again. O, I wish I was in the land of cotton Old times there are not forgotten Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. In Dixie Land where I was born in Early on one frosty mornin' Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. Chorus: O, I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray! In Dixie Land I'll take my stand To live and die in Dixie Away, away, Away down south in Dixie! Old Missus marry Will, the weaver, William was a gay deceiver Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. But when he put his arm around her He smiled as fierce as a forty pounder Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. Chorus: O, I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray! In Dixie Land I'll take my stand To live and die in Dixie Away, away, Away down south in Dixie! His face was sharp as a butcher's cleaver But that did not seem to grieve her Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. Old Missus acted the foolish part And died for a man that broke her heart Look away! Look away! Look away! Dixie Land. Chorus: O, I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray! In Dixie Land I'll take my stand To live and die in Dixie Away, away, Away down south in Dixie!

11-07-2006, 03:10 PM	#75
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	voting for Lott = Smashing my thumb over and over with a hammer while shouting , this is for my own good ..............