Egypt Warns Against Hanging Saddam - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-09-2006, 06:01 PM

I wonder how many other ME countries are going to chime in on this?

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Mubarak warns against hanging Saddam

By NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD, Associated Press Writer Thu Nov 9, 5:02 PM ET

CAIRO, Egypt - Egypt's president came out strongly against hanging Saddam Hussein, saying in remarks published Thursday that it could make Iraq explode into more violence. But Iraq's prime minister said the execution could take place by the end of the year.

The statement from President Hosni Mubarak of Eygpt broke an uneasy silence among Arab leaders over Sunday's verdict by an Iraqi court, which convicted Saddam for the killings of some 150 Shiite Muslims after an assassination attempt against him in 1982.

Mubarak, a regional heavyweight and a top U.S. ally, appeared to speak for many in the region who are uneasy about seeing a former Arab president tried and sentenced — no matter how much they disliked Saddam's regime. Analysts suggested Arab leaders are worried about the precedent an execution would set, and said Arab publics often identify with their leaders.

"Carrying out this verdict will explode violence like waterfalls in Iraq," Mubarak was quoted as saying by state-run Egyptian newspapers. Hanging Saddam "will transform (Iraq) into blood pools and lead to a deepening of the sectarian and ethnic conflicts."

Saddam has appealed, and is being separately tried for genocide in the deaths of about 180,000 Iraqi Kurds, mostly civilians, during a crackdown in the late 1980s.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki confirmed this week that both legal procedures would go on simultaneously and that Iraq's three-man presidential council is pledged to allow Saddam's hanging if the court rejects the appeal.

"The way I understand the law that we passed ... the execution of the sentence should happen within a month, one month," al-Maliki told the British Broadcasting Corp. "I expect it to happen before the end of this year."

Leaders in Saudi Arabia, like Egypt a regional powerhouse and U.S. ally, have all but stayed quiet about Saddam's sentencing. The presidents of Libya and
Syria have also avoided personal comment, though the Syria goverment said it opposes the sentence because it was delivered while U.S. troops were occupying Iraq.

"The court acted under the shadow of occupation," Syrian Information Minister Mohsen Bilal said Sunday. "Therefore, the entire court is rejected because the occupation itself is rejected."

Jordan took a neutral line. "As far as we're concerned here in Jordan, this is an internal Iraqi affair," government spokesman Nasser Judeh said this week.

While many in the Middle East rejoiced at Saddam's ouster in the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, spiraling violence in Iraq and the nearly unprecedented public trial against an Arab ruler have left many in the region dubious.

"Saddam's yearlong trial has shocked Arab leaders, including those who are against him, as well as the masses," said Egyptian political analyst Diaa Rashwan.

"We've witnessed leaders being assassinated, but never being judged in the Arab world," he said, adding that many Arabs also perceived the trial as taking place at the whim of the occupying U.S army.

Other analysts alluded to a peer solidarity among Arab rulers.

Dalal el-Bizri, a Lebanese sociologist and political columnist, noted the "vast authority that Arab leaders have, their endless stay in power, their cohesion."

Mubarak has been at the helm of the most populous Arab state since 1981. He has repeatedly warned against worsening violence in Iraq, and voiced concern about tensions spilling over to the rest of the region.

He and Saddam, who rose to power in 1979, rarely shared the same views during the decades they both spent in office, but in 1991 Mubarak offered the Iraqi leader a haven in exile to avert the
Gulf War.

Saddam declined, and Egypt sided with the United States during the war. Mubarak also initially condemned the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, but blamed the offensive on what he described as Saddam's failure to cooperate with the international community.

El-Bizri said Arab populations tend to strongly associate with their presidents. "Their presence is felt everywhere. It causes a sick relationship between the people and their leaders," she said.

"No matter how despotic a leader is, he becomes a symbol of his country, or even synonymous with it," she said, explaining why many Iraqis and other Arabs were uncomfortable seeing an agitated Saddam arguing in the Iraqi court.

Some hoped the former president's lengthy prosecution and sentencing would pave the way for more accountability in the region.

"Saddam Hussein deserves to be punished for the crimes that he committed against all the Iraqi people," Walid Jumblatt, the leader of Lebanon's Druse community, told reporters. He said Syrian leaders also deserve punishment for allegedly killing former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri.
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SteveTensi13 · 11-09-2006, 07:03 PM

They dont want him hanged because it just as well could be their necks in the noose! Might set precedence.

Garcia Bronco · 11-09-2006, 07:05 PM

Syria...punk asses

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-09-2006, 07:10 PM

I don't see anything funny about it. It's guaranteed there will be more American lives lost because of it. Those religious fanaticals will use it to spread more hate and blame towards Americans.

defenseman · 11-09-2006, 07:38 PM

He'll be hung, don't you worry. Ok egypt, we won't hang him, but, we'll hand him over to some iraqis who are not loyalists. I'm guessing he'll survive all of 5 seconds...dman

epicSocialism4tw · 11-09-2006, 08:57 PM

Shoot, just let him stay with the Kurdish families I know here. He wont make it over the threshold.

Spider · 11-09-2006, 08:59 PM

**** eygpt ............err wait it is that kind of diplomacy that got us in this mess ..... never mind

BroncoBuff · 11-09-2006, 10:07 PM

I think Mubarak is silly - nobody gives a good screw what happens to Saddam. If he is correct, then where were the prostest after the verdict?

yavoon · 11-09-2006, 10:08 PM

Mubarak is scared of the precedent.

ClevelandBronco · 11-09-2006, 10:22 PM

I don't want to see anyone executed for any reason by any state especially my own.

But Saddam was not accused of crimes against the United States, and he's not been sentenced to death under U.S. law, so my voice is almost entirely irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

They dont want him hanged because it just as well could be their necks in the noose! Might set precedence.

I think you're on to something that's very close to the underlying truth behind such statements coming from government figures in the region. Good call.

spdirty · 11-09-2006, 10:40 PM

h, sorry Mubarak. Nothing we can do now. Go try to explain this to the Iraqis whose lives were destroyed by this subhuman. And I really hope your wrong about more bloodshed over there.

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-10-2006, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

h, sorry Mubarak. Nothing we can do now. Go try to explain this to the Iraqis whose lives were destroyed by this subhuman. And I really hope your wrong about more bloodshed over there.

He's not, Tens of thousands of Sunnis marched and protested after the court ruling. There is no doubt killing him will fuel violence across the country.

alkemical · 11-10-2006, 02:40 PM

Maybe the hall of records says something we don't know.

The Lone Bolt · 11-10-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

He's not, Tens of thousands of Sunnis marched and protested after the court ruling. There is no doubt killing him will fuel violence across the country.

There's no guarantee of that, nor is there any guarantee that keeping him alive will lead to less violence.

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-10-2006, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

There's no guarantee of that, nor is there any guarantee that keeping him alive will lead to less violence.

Are you kidding?

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The Lone Bolt · 11-10-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Are you kidding?

No I'm not. How do you know that if we keep Saddam alive the Sunnis and Ba'athists won't just keep on fighting? How do you know that these demonstrations you are pointing out aren't just bluster?

You quote Saddam loyalists swearing to defend Saddam. If they are successful and he avoids the death penalty, how do you know that their next oath won't be "with my blood and my soul, I will restore you to power, Oh, Saddam"?

You are assuming a lot.

Bronco_Beerslug · 11-10-2006, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lone Bolt

No I'm not. How do you know that if we keep Saddam alive the Sunnis and Ba'athists won't just keep on fighting? How do you know that these demonstrations you are pointing out aren't just bluster?

You quote Saddam loyalists swearing to defend Saddam. If they are successful and he avoids the death penalty, how do you know that their next oath won't be "with my blood and my soul, I will restore you to power, Oh, Saddam"?
You are assuming a lot.

If they keep him alive there STILL will be sec warfare, just as I said there would be when Bush invaded this sh*thole. There will be MORE sec warfare when they kill the scumbag, more Americans will die because of it. This will happen and is not a guess. Anyone paying attention to this cluster**** over there knows it.

11-09-2006, 06:01 PM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	Egypt Warns Against Hanging Saddam I wonder how many other ME countries are going to chime in on this? ---------------------------------------------------- Mubarak warns against hanging Saddam By NADIA ABOU EL-MAGD, Associated Press Writer Thu Nov 9, 5:02 PM ET CAIRO, Egypt - Egypt's president came out strongly against hanging Saddam Hussein, saying in remarks published Thursday that it could make Iraq explode into more violence. But Iraq's prime minister said the execution could take place by the end of the year. The statement from President Hosni Mubarak of Eygpt broke an uneasy silence among Arab leaders over Sunday's verdict by an Iraqi court, which convicted Saddam for the killings of some 150 Shiite Muslims after an assassination attempt against him in 1982. Mubarak, a regional heavyweight and a top U.S. ally, appeared to speak for many in the region who are uneasy about seeing a former Arab president tried and sentenced — no matter how much they disliked Saddam's regime. Analysts suggested Arab leaders are worried about the precedent an execution would set, and said Arab publics often identify with their leaders. "Carrying out this verdict will explode violence like waterfalls in Iraq," Mubarak was quoted as saying by state-run Egyptian newspapers. Hanging Saddam "will transform (Iraq) into blood pools and lead to a deepening of the sectarian and ethnic conflicts." Saddam has appealed, and is being separately tried for genocide in the deaths of about 180,000 Iraqi Kurds, mostly civilians, during a crackdown in the late 1980s. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki confirmed this week that both legal procedures would go on simultaneously and that Iraq's three-man presidential council is pledged to allow Saddam's hanging if the court rejects the appeal. "The way I understand the law that we passed ... the execution of the sentence should happen within a month, one month," al-Maliki told the British Broadcasting Corp. "I expect it to happen before the end of this year." Leaders in Saudi Arabia, like Egypt a regional powerhouse and U.S. ally, have all but stayed quiet about Saddam's sentencing. The presidents of Libya and Syria have also avoided personal comment, though the Syria goverment said it opposes the sentence because it was delivered while U.S. troops were occupying Iraq. "The court acted under the shadow of occupation," Syrian Information Minister Mohsen Bilal said Sunday. "Therefore, the entire court is rejected because the occupation itself is rejected." Jordan took a neutral line. "As far as we're concerned here in Jordan, this is an internal Iraqi affair," government spokesman Nasser Judeh said this week. While many in the Middle East rejoiced at Saddam's ouster in the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, spiraling violence in Iraq and the nearly unprecedented public trial against an Arab ruler have left many in the region dubious. "Saddam's yearlong trial has shocked Arab leaders, including those who are against him, as well as the masses," said Egyptian political analyst Diaa Rashwan. "We've witnessed leaders being assassinated, but never being judged in the Arab world," he said, adding that many Arabs also perceived the trial as taking place at the whim of the occupying U.S army. Other analysts alluded to a peer solidarity among Arab rulers. Dalal el-Bizri, a Lebanese sociologist and political columnist, noted the "vast authority that Arab leaders have, their endless stay in power, their cohesion." Mubarak has been at the helm of the most populous Arab state since 1981. He has repeatedly warned against worsening violence in Iraq, and voiced concern about tensions spilling over to the rest of the region. He and Saddam, who rose to power in 1979, rarely shared the same views during the decades they both spent in office, but in 1991 Mubarak offered the Iraqi leader a haven in exile to avert the Gulf War. Saddam declined, and Egypt sided with the United States during the war. Mubarak also initially condemned the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, but blamed the offensive on what he described as Saddam's failure to cooperate with the international community. El-Bizri said Arab populations tend to strongly associate with their presidents. "Their presence is felt everywhere. It causes a sick relationship between the people and their leaders," she said. "No matter how despotic a leader is, he becomes a symbol of his country, or even synonymous with it," she said, explaining why many Iraqis and other Arabs were uncomfortable seeing an agitated Saddam arguing in the Iraqi court. Some hoped the former president's lengthy prosecution and sentencing would pave the way for more accountability in the region. "Saddam Hussein deserves to be punished for the crimes that he committed against all the Iraqi people," Walid Jumblatt, the leader of Lebanon's Druse community, told reporters. He said Syrian leaders also deserve punishment for allegedly killing former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. http://tinyurl.com/y7j2e5

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11-09-2006, 07:03 PM	#2
SteveTensi13 GIVE ME SOME MORE ORANGE OLD SCHOOL BRONCO Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Helmand province, Afghanistan Posts: 1,830 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brandon Stokley	They dont want him hanged because it just as well could be their necks in the noose! Might set precedence.

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Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Syria...punk asses

11-09-2006, 07:10 PM	#4
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	I don't see anything funny about it. It's guaranteed there will be more American lives lost because of it. Those religious fanaticals will use it to spread more hate and blame towards Americans.

11-09-2006, 07:38 PM	#5
defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	He'll be hung, don't you worry. Ok egypt, we won't hang him, but, we'll hand him over to some iraqis who are not loyalists. I'm guessing he'll survive all of 5 seconds...dman

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epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Shoot, just let him stay with the Kurdish families I know here. He wont make it over the threshold.

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Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	**** eygpt ............err wait it is that kind of diplomacy that got us in this mess ..... never mind

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BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,433 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	I think Mubarak is silly - nobody gives a good screw what happens to Saddam. If he is correct, then where were the prostest after the verdict?

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yavoon Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 10,260	Mubarak is scared of the precedent.

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