So...is our defense really bad or? - The Orange Mane

Northman · 11-06-2006, 02:45 AM

Looking at what happened to Chicago yesterday and then New England last night im not so sure our defense is really as bad as some might think. I just think that Indy is far superior to many teams as far as offense is concerned. I didnt catch the second half of the Colts/Pats game last night but the Pats still gave up 27 points and usually they have Indy's number defensively. Indy's defense is still just as bad but im wondering if people were coming down to hard on our defense last week. Thoughts?

Rascal · 11-06-2006, 02:55 AM

It's not as good as some people think either. Expect to see opposing offenses run a spread offense and pass on us a lot. The Colts and the Steelers have shown that we are vulnerable to it, and if it wasn't for the TO's we probably would have lost.

Northman · 11-06-2006, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

It's not as good as some people think either. Expect to see opposing offenses run a spread offense and pass on us a lot. The Colts and the Steelers have shown that we are vulnerable to it, and if it wasn't for the TO's we probably would have lost.

Well, last year we forced a lot of TO's and still got to the Championship game. So that cant be a bad thing. But you are right, teams are going to look at the Indy blueprint and try to go with that. Problem is, most teams are not like Indy and Pitt proved that yesterday. Had Manning played like Ben yesterday we would have beaten the Colts. I just dont think most teams can get away with playing that flawlessly against us like the Colts did. Will be interesting to see what happens the next few weeks.

fontaine · 11-06-2006, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Well, last year we forced a lot of TO's and still got to the Championship game. So that cant be a bad thing. But you are right, teams are going to look at the Indy blueprint and try to go with that. Problem is, most teams are not like Indy and Pitt proved that yesterday. Had Manning played like Ben yesterday we would have beaten the Colts. I just dont think most teams can get away with playing that flawlessly against us like the Colts did. Will be interesting to see what happens the next few weeks.

Well, I just hope that our D stays healthy. We've lost Brandon so it's going to hurt us against guys like Gonzo, Gates who we play twice. We've got a couple of players banged up like Lynch, Fergy, Gold, Wilson, Warren, DWill so I'm expecting the offense to continue executing like they have and help them out.

Going away to one of the NFL's best defenses and putting up 31 points is huge so we've got some momentum going up against Chokeland this week!

OrangeShadow · 11-06-2006, 03:50 AM

I honestly think warren would of made a huge difference vs indy. so no i dont think our D is that bad plus you got to remember vs pitt, gold fergy brandon and lynch all got hurt

That One Guy · 11-06-2006, 04:45 AM

I almost think of our D as when I was younger and played kiddy soccer. The way we were taught to play defense was to just get on the guy with the ball and back pedal until he kicked it too far away from his body and you could just take it the other way. Now, if someone were smart and just stuck to the basics and moved it down the field, I may have back pedaled the whole way.

The INTs all came on long plays, if I recall correctly, and you can never count on fumbles as they're just as dependant on the ball carriers as they are on the hits. So, in my opinion, the Colts laid the blueprint in that if you just rhythmically move down field, you can tear us to pieces. When you try to do too much, that's when we'll bite you.

Mile High Shack · 11-06-2006, 06:16 AM

I think our D is average
not great like some people thought originally, but just average

RhymesayersDU · 11-06-2006, 06:19 AM

We've only allowed 98 points through 8 games, pretty darn good if you ask me.

I realize the last two games haven't been pretty, but we're still the only team under 100.

Mile High Shack · 11-06-2006, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

We've only allowed 98 points through 8 games, pretty darn good if you ask me.

I realize the last two games haven't been pretty, but we're still the only team under 100.

they'll improve that this next week too

Oakland has a very bad offense, even with our injuries, we should hold them under 10

I'd even hope for a shutout

Garcia Bronco · 11-06-2006, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

It's not as good as some people think either. Expect to see opposing offenses run a spread offense and pass on us a lot. The Colts and the Steelers have shown that we are vulnerable to it, and if it wasn't for the TO's we probably would have lost.

We forced just about every one of those turnovers

Garcia Bronco · 11-06-2006, 06:47 AM

Oaklnad also has a very good defense

Willynowei · 11-06-2006, 06:52 AM

No we're good, we are not average on defense. There are about 5-6 teams in the NFL that can take advantage of Denvers only weakness on defense, but it is glaring weakness, and any offense that can take advantage of it with efficiency will move the ball very easily against denver.

This team has a poor pass rushing D-line and a Coordinator that is uninspired and uncreative. On the otherhand the defense is well coached in fundamentals and is very athletic and experienced, so both the coaching and the play is a mixed bag.

Best back 7 in football, terrible front four. All in all, I think Denver could stumble into the superbowl and win the whole thing if they play the right teams.

freak6 · 11-06-2006, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

I honestly think warren would of made a huge difference vs indy. so no i dont think our D is that bad plus you got to remember vs pitt, gold fergy brandon and lynch all got hurt

Warren looked terrible to me yesterday. I saw him hustling, and putting out, but his push was awful.

Rascal · 11-06-2006, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Willynowei

No we're good, we are not average on defense. There are about 5-6 teams in the NFL that can take advantage of Denvers only weakness on defense, but it is glaring weakness, and any offense that can take advantage of it with efficiency will move the ball very easily against denver.

This team has a poor pass rushing D-line and a Coordinator that is uninspired and uncreative. On the otherhand the defense is well coached in fundamentals and is very athletic and experienced, so both the coaching and the play is a mixed bag.

Best back 7 in football, terrible front four. All in all, I think Denver could stumble into the superbowl and win the whole thing if they play the right teams.

I wouldn't say Coyer is uninspired and uncreative, just unable to make changes during the game. Although some recent quotes have raised the question of whether it's him or the players (not smart enough).

Rascal · 11-06-2006, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by freak6

Warren looked terrible to me yesterday. I saw him hustling, and putting out, but his push was awful.

He was double teamed very frequently, but yes it was obvious he couldn't get his usual push due to his toe. I'd say keep him out this game and let him heal up a bit.

freak6 · 11-06-2006, 06:57 AM

I checked the stats, Warren had no no tackles, one assist.

BigPlayShay · 11-06-2006, 06:58 AM

They're good. They would be excellent if they improved their tackling. The past 2 weeks the tackling has been atrocious.

Traveler · 11-06-2006, 07:03 AM

Anyone else think the Faid might be a trap game?

ludo21 · 11-06-2006, 07:05 AM

Pass rush was spotty for sure, but towards the end of the game they got better which was HUGE!!!

Paladin · 11-06-2006, 07:07 AM

Lord, here we go again.......

defenseman · 11-06-2006, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Well, last year we forced a lot of TO's and still got to the Championship game. So that cant be a bad thing. But you are right, teams are going to look at the Indy blueprint and try to go with that. Problem is, most teams are not like Indy and Pitt proved that yesterday. Had Manning played like Ben yesterday we would have beaten the Colts. I just dont think most teams can get away with playing that flawlessly against us like the Colts did. Will be interesting to see what happens the next few weeks.

Our defense challenges the opposing offense to play nearly flawlessly each play. If the opposing offense does not, the broncos SHOULD win (that's assuming the offense scores and doesn't turn the ball over). The steelers proved the odds are against an offense being perfect throughout the day so you get turnovers. The defensive coordinator though must make some more adjustments wrt the pass. Two teams in a row have passed very very well overall on the defense. Coyer must fix this, or they will lose two or three more games...especially the damn screen play, way to successful against the bronco defense...dman

HitEmCold · 11-06-2006, 07:10 AM

The Linebackers might want to work on recognizing a screen pass, they have been burned repetedly on screens this year.

Willynowei · 11-06-2006, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by HitEmColdGold

The Linebackers might want to work on recognizing a screen pass, they have been burned repetedly on screens this year.

Hard to do that when your coach drops you 20 yards downfield because your D-line is so pitiful opposing offenses run deep routes every single down knowning their QB has atleast 6 seconds to throw

Billy Clyde Puckett · 11-06-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HitEmColdGold

The Linebackers might want to work on recognizing a screen pass, they have been burned repetedly on screens this year.

The loss of Gold was a huge factor in Pitt being able to run those screens.

Elway 4 Life · 11-06-2006, 07:44 AM

When we can pressure the QB we are a top tier defense. When we dont we are very average. Our defensive play revolves around what we do up front. If we cant get pressure then we get picked apart.

Piss poor tackling was mentioned above and should be mentioned again. The last couple games there have been way to many yards givin up because we are trying to knock the sh1t out of someone rather than wrapping them up.

I do think think that givin all the injuries we played a good game and created alot of opportunities.

11-06-2006, 02:45 AM	#1
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	So...is our defense really bad or? Looking at what happened to Chicago yesterday and then New England last night im not so sure our defense is really as bad as some might think. I just think that Indy is far superior to many teams as far as offense is concerned. I didnt catch the second half of the Colts/Pats game last night but the Pats still gave up 27 points and usually they have Indy's number defensively. Indy's defense is still just as bad but im wondering if people were coming down to hard on our defense last week. Thoughts? Last edited by Northman; 11-06-2006 at 03:01 AM..

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OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	I honestly think warren would of made a huge difference vs indy. so no i dont think our D is that bad plus you got to remember vs pitt, gold fergy brandon and lynch all got hurt Last edited by OrangeShadow; 11-06-2006 at 04:02 AM..

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11-06-2006, 02:55 AM	#2
Rascal RIP Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 16,581 Adopt-a-Bronco: Turf	It's not as good as some people think either. Expect to see opposing offenses run a spread offense and pass on us a lot. The Colts and the Steelers have shown that we are vulnerable to it, and if it wasn't for the TO's we probably would have lost.

11-06-2006, 04:45 AM	#6
That One Guy Producer of Nonsense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sun and Beachville Posts: 14,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I almost think of our D as when I was younger and played kiddy soccer. The way we were taught to play defense was to just get on the guy with the ball and back pedal until he kicked it too far away from his body and you could just take it the other way. Now, if someone were smart and just stuck to the basics and moved it down the field, I may have back pedaled the whole way. The INTs all came on long plays, if I recall correctly, and you can never count on fumbles as they're just as dependant on the ball carriers as they are on the hits. So, in my opinion, the Colts laid the blueprint in that if you just rhythmically move down field, you can tear us to pieces. When you try to do too much, that's when we'll bite you.

11-06-2006, 06:16 AM	#7
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	I think our D is average not great like some people thought originally, but just average

11-06-2006, 06:19 AM	#8
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	We've only allowed 98 points through 8 games, pretty darn good if you ask me. I realize the last two games haven't been pretty, but we're still the only team under 100.

11-06-2006, 06:47 AM	#11
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Oaklnad also has a very good defense

11-06-2006, 06:52 AM	#12
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,798 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	No we're good, we are not average on defense. There are about 5-6 teams in the NFL that can take advantage of Denvers only weakness on defense, but it is glaring weakness, and any offense that can take advantage of it with efficiency will move the ball very easily against denver. This team has a poor pass rushing D-line and a Coordinator that is uninspired and uncreative. On the otherhand the defense is well coached in fundamentals and is very athletic and experienced, so both the coaching and the play is a mixed bag. Best back 7 in football, terrible front four. All in all, I think Denver could stumble into the superbowl and win the whole thing if they play the right teams.

11-06-2006, 06:57 AM	#16
freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	I checked the stats, Warren had no no tackles, one assist.

11-06-2006, 06:58 AM	#17
BigPlayShay Ring of Famer Novaking Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,237 Adopt-a-Bronco: Got Cut	They're good. They would be excellent if they improved their tackling. The past 2 weeks the tackling has been atrocious.

11-06-2006, 07:03 AM	#18
Traveler Traveling Man! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 4,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	Anyone else think the Faid might be a trap game?

11-06-2006, 07:05 AM	#19
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,906 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Pass rush was spotty for sure, but towards the end of the game they got better which was HUGE!!!

11-06-2006, 07:07 AM	#20
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	Lord, here we go again.......

11-06-2006, 07:10 AM	#22
HitEmCold Gold sucks, I know...now! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ky Posts: 199 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brandon Stokley	The Linebackers might want to work on recognizing a screen pass, they have been burned repetedly on screens this year.

11-06-2006, 07:44 AM	#25
Elway 4 Life Pass rushers apply here! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,806 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	When we can pressure the QB we are a top tier defense. When we dont we are very average. Our defensive play revolves around what we do up front. If we cant get pressure then we get picked apart. Piss poor tackling was mentioned above and should be mentioned again. The last couple games there have been way to many yards givin up because we are trying to knock the sh1t out of someone rather than wrapping them up. I do think think that givin all the injuries we played a good game and created alot of opportunities.