Darrent Williams: "I really didn’t have a bad game." - The Orange Mane

GonzoLays · 10-31-2006, 08:54 AM

Picking up the pieces
Darrent Williams, Broncos try to regroup after disappointing loss to Indianapolis.
By PAT GRAHAM
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
DENVER - Darrent Williams’ sense of humor was already back Monday, along with his smile.

The second-year cornerback stormed out of the locker room Sunday following Denver’s 34-31 loss to Indianapolis in which he was picked on repeatedly.

On Monday, Williams watched himself on film surrendering three touchdowns to receiver Reggie Wayne, who caught 10 passes for 138 yards, and came to a surprising conclusion.

‘‘It looked like I had a terrible game,’’ Williams said. ‘‘When I watched film, I really didn’t have a bad game.’’

Well, at least not when compared to what Wayne did to his predecessor, Roc Alexander, who gave up 221 yards and two scores to him in the 2004 playoffs.

‘‘I cut it in half,’’ Williams said. ‘‘Next time I’m going to cut the (138) in half. I won’t back down from nobody.’’

There were questions about Williams’ confidence level after getting picked on and bullied around by Peyton Manning but his bruised ego had already healed a day after facing the Colts’ high-octane offense.

Denver’s defense is another matter.

The Broncos couldn’t put any pressure on Manning, who completed 32 of 39 passes for 345 yards against a defense that was built with him in mind.

‘‘It’s the great Peyton Manning. That’s what I call him now,’’ Williams said. ‘‘If you let him sit back there, I don’t care who you have back there, you can get all the Hall of Famers, bring them back in their prime, and he’ll pick them apart. You’ve got to get pressure on him.’’

Yet, even though the front four - which was without defensive tackle Gerard Warren (toe) - was unable to pressure Manning, the Broncos hardly blitzed Sunday. Coach Mike Shanahan said he stuck with the base defense because it had performed so well for the first six weeks and again in the first half when the Colts managed just two field goals.

‘‘You’ve got to get (pressure) out of your base defense if you’re going to be a great defense,’’ Shanahan said. ‘‘We didn’t have the push up front that we normally have. Until we played Peyton, we were doing all right. Some people are going to get exposed (against) a guy like Peyton.’’ (Did Shanahan just call out Williams or his DLine?

)

Champ Bailey wasn’t so much surprised at the lack of pressure but by all the Broncos’ mistakes and miscommunications.

On Wayne’s second touchdown - a 12-yarder in the third quarter - Williams thought the Broncos were in zone coverage and safety John Lynch played it like man coverage.

Blown assignments like that have been rare this season.

‘‘We’ve been so sound in every part of the game,’’ Bailey said. ‘‘We’ve been a solid defense up to this point. It’s a letdown to give up 34 points like that.’’

Before Williams stomped out of the locker room Sunday, linebacker Al Wilson called him over for a little 1-on-1 chat.

‘‘He said, ’Man, you played a good game. It wasn’t your fault,’’’ Williams recounted.

Williams also received calls of support from his coaches at Oklahoma State and fellow cornerback Domonique Foxworth, who knew what Williams was going through. Foxworth was picked on by Ben Roethlisberger during the Pittsburgh Steelers’ 34-17 win in last season’s AFC championship game.

‘‘They cheered me up,’’ Williams said.

On Monday, though, all he heard and read was what a bad game he’d had.

‘‘That’s the nature of this league,’’ Williams said. ‘‘It’s like, ‘Start another corner, get rid of Darrent.’ I don’t get down. I know I actually didn’t play a bad game.’’

http://www.chieftain.com/sports/1162280336/1

GonzoLays · 10-31-2006, 08:56 AM

You might not of had a bad game Darrent, but you sure as hell did live up to the "if they throw it my way 10 or 12 times I'm getting 2 of them. Fo sho."

I blame Coyer! I blame our defensive line! I blame Gerrad "Big p***Y" Warren for sitting out! Aaarrghhh

Man-Goblin · 10-31-2006, 08:58 AM

I sure would hate to see a bad game, then...

Willynowei · 10-31-2006, 08:59 AM

Well our D-line got its Midterm exam and failed miserably, Now our D-backs pay the price.

fatcard · 10-31-2006, 08:59 AM

I blame the mowhawk attitude.

Smiling Assassin27 · 10-31-2006, 09:02 AM

This just in...the Hindenburg event has been downgraded from a 'disaster' to a 'pretty good showing by a good, young pilot'.

HEAV · 10-31-2006, 09:02 AM

Well Mr. Lynch did blow a coverage or two................

NYBronc · 10-31-2006, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

This just in...the Hindenburg event has been downgraded from a 'disaster' to a 'pretty good showing by a good, young pilot'.

lmao!

Man-Goblin · 10-31-2006, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatcard

I blame the mowhawk attitude.

I don't mind the cocky attitude like that coming from a cornerback. That's the attitude you've got to have to be successful; it's the nature of the position. You've got to be able to forget the previous play, or in this case, game, and move on to the next.

I remember when Champ got lit up by Chad Johnson a couple of years ago he had a similar attitude to Darrent's; just puting it all behind him and moving on.

In my opinion, you're not going to be successful as a cornerback because of a cocky attitude, but you sure as hell won't be successful without it.

fatcard · 10-31-2006, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiling Assassin27

This just in...the Hindenburg event has been downgraded from a 'disaster' to a 'pretty good showing by a good, young pilot'.

classic

Crushaholic · 10-31-2006, 09:07 AM

It was embarrassing to see us not get any pressure on Manning. If we had rattled him a few times, we might have had some turnovers...

fatcard · 10-31-2006, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man-Goblin

I don't mind the cocky attitude like that coming from a cornerback. That's the attitude you've got to have to be successful; it's the nature of the position. You've got to be able to forget the previous play, or in this case, game, and move on to the next.

I remember when Champ got lit up by Chad Johnson a couple of years ago he had a similar attitude to Darrent's; just puting it all behind him and moving on.

In my opinion, you're not going to be successful as a cornerback because of a cocky attitude, but you sure as hell won't be successful without it.

I think Champ comes across as a pretty mature, humble human being. A lot more like a Rod Smith than a Deltha Oneal?

Rohirrim · 10-31-2006, 09:10 AM

I think this is "Cornerbackspeak."

I still remember Elway toasting Shawn Springs everytime he saw him, and he turned out not so bad.

watermock · 10-31-2006, 09:13 AM

Like I said before, he's better suited to play nickel.

If the other two DB's would step up it would take some pressure off...Lynch seemed late if there at all.

Buy a vowel...Mediator can assert that "he had over and under protection" but I didn't see it.

If a CB loses confidence, he's worthless. See Roc and Lennie.

Same with recievers. For whatever reason, QB's seem a little more thick skinned. DWill didn't get the help over the top that Medator claims whatsoever. I think half of his stuff to hear himself, maybe 80 of mine is the same...but to say DWill had safety help is absurd, or we need to get a new one or two. On those TD's by Wayne no safety even touched Wayne. WTF are you people watching?

Here is what happens in a good defensive play...if the corner bites, and is getting beaten, the safety comes in and either hammers the ball out, tackles, or forces an incompletion.

Do this Mediator...show me the plays where over the top coverage even touched Wayne. Oven one.

I see some tackles by Lynch at the line and nothing but a couple more maybe tracking down a loose reciever.

Telling us DWill had over the top help is amusing when he ran untouched three times.

"Oh he wasn't deep"

Well wouldn't that make it easier for a safety to cover?

Man-Goblin · 10-31-2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fatcard

I think Champ comes across as a pretty mature, humble human being. A lot more like a Rod Smith than a Deltha Oneal?

I don't know...here's a quote from after that 2004 matchup (Johnson had 7 catches for 150 yards and 2 touchdowns).

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/...041025_DEN@CIN

"He made a couple of plays," said Bailey, a four-time Pro Bowl player who is rarely burned so often. "That's just the way it is in this league. I'm not afraid of any challenge. That's the way I roll."

I don't see how that's all that different from what Darrent said.

TheDave · 10-31-2006, 09:17 AM

Aside from darrent trying to spin this... Our pass rush is more to blame than D Will. We never came close to putting preasure on Manning, unless that changes there will be more of the same next time.

fatcard · 10-31-2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Man-Goblin

I don't know...here's a quote from after that 2004 matchup (Johnson had 7 catches for 150 yards and 2 touchdowns).

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/recap/...041025_DEN@CIN

"He made a couple of plays," said Bailey, a four-time Pro Bowl player who is rarely burned so often. "That's just the way it is in this league. I'm not afraid of any challenge. That's the way I roll."

I don't see how that's all that different from what Darrent said.

Hmmm... yeah ok... but its just a hunch I have. We'll see in a year or two.

55CrushEm · 10-31-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Man-Goblin

I remember when Champ got lit up by Chad Johnson

Oh man.....don't go down that path. I still get pi$$ed about that game.

Johnson had 7 catches for 149 and 1 TD.

But to say that Champ got "lit up" is way off.....let me remind people....

1. 2 of Johnson's catches were for 50 yards each (100 yards).....

2. Of those 2 catches.....on one of them Champ slipped, easy catch, Champ couldn't get up and recover....touchdown....okay fine, he slipped, his fault.
But on the other 50 yard grab.....it was a BLATANT offensive pass interference.....honestly, the worst I've seen. Big shove in the back, Champ goes down....no call. Even Madden and Michaels said they couldn't believe Johnson got away with no call.

So a slip, and a non-call....not just a garden variety no-call.....but a BLATANT non-call.....I remember swearing at the TV, saying "How in the hell could they not call that?" Not even up for debate.....

Take away the slip and the non-call (which you can say are "abnormal" plays) and Johnson had a ho-hum 5 catch, 49 yard day.....hardly what I would call being "lit up".....but yes, by looking at the box score alone, it would APPEAR that was the case.

His other 5 catches were for 4, 6, 7, 9 and 23 yards.......and BTW, on the drive where that 2nd 50 yard grab occurred....Champ had a pick.

mattbeymvp · 10-31-2006, 10:01 AM

Tony Snow has taken over as Williams' agent.

Mediator12 · 10-31-2006, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watermock

Like I said before, he's better suited to play nickel.

If the other two DB's would step up it would take some pressure off...Lynch seemed late if there at all.

Buy a vowel...Mediator can assert that "he had over and under protection" but I didn't see it.

If a CB loses confidence, he's worthless. See Roc and Lennie.

Same with recievers. For whatever reason, QB's seem a little more thick skinned. DWill didn't get the help over the top that Medator claims whatsoever. I think half of his stuff to hear himself, maybe 80 of mine is the same...but to say DWill had safety help is absurd, or we need to get a new one or two. On those TD's by Wayne no safety even touched Wayne. WTF are you people watching?

Here is what happens in a good defensive play...if the corner bites, and is getting beaten, the safety comes in and either hammers the ball out, tackles, or forces an incompletion.

Do this Mediator...show me the plays where over the top coverage even touched Wayne. Oven one.

I see some tackles by Lynch at the line and nothing but a couple more maybe tracking down a loose reciever.

Telling us DWill had over the top help is amusing when he ran untouched three times.

"Oh he wasn't deep"

Well wouldn't that make it easier for a safety to cover?

Mock for simplicity's sake, find five plays outside of the redzone where you can see the Safety at the snap. They played either a third of the field deep in tampa cover two or half in standard cover two. The safety's were taking away the deep inside routes except on two plays where Manning had Six seconds to throw and he hit Clark on a deep in and Wayne on a deep cross.

The Red Zone Plays were Darrent blowing three different Coverages. He played the wrong technique in cover three with one primary receiver on his side of the field. He made the wrong read with Lynch covering the slant under. On the second TD, he thought they were playing cover two Red zone when they were playing cover one red zone. He blew the call and Wayne was wide open. On the third TD, he had deep primary coverage and got caught looking at Manning Pump faking a post where Gold was playing under inside double coverage and had no one else. He still bit, wanting a pick, and got beet deep on a post corner stop go.

Old Dude · 10-31-2006, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDave

Aside from darrent trying to spin this... Our pass rush is more to blame than D Will. We never came close to putting preasure on Manning, unless that changes there will be more of the same next time.

Exactly.

KillerBronco#76 · 10-31-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBronco#76

Well, im gonna take a stab and say that it seems our coaching staff was pretty confident in our defense. Im sure they may have tried to make a few adjustment which might explain DW's mistake on that long touchdown to wayne as in he thought he had saftey help over the top. if you dont beleive me watch the play watch him talk to lynch right before the snap and then he sets up looking at the quarter back the whole time like he was in zone when it looks like he was supposed to be in man. Shannahan even addmitted there was a "mis- communication" on that play. Coaches can change schemes very easily but for player to change entire schemes without practice or meeting is all on the players. I cant imagine DW became confused because we were running something he was comfortable with.

Anyone can say we needed to blitz more or anything of the sort but its alot easier saying it than doing it . Our coaches took a gamble on our defensive line but it didnt pay off. Its only one loss it seemed like the they were using this game as more of an experiment. They were seeing if they could get indy to shoot themselves in the foot and it worked in the first half.

wow i guess i was right on with what i said in another thread before this thread was even started. Dman im good i had read about the "mis-communication" but he didnt give the detail about the man zone like here so that just backs up what i said . i could tell when i was watching the game the way he set up and the way he got beat. to darrents credit he did a hell of a job almost saving a touchdown his swat was just a little to early.

Tw0mey · 10-31-2006, 10:24 AM

Man I was so dissapointed with the left side of the defensive backfield that game. I can't believe Darrent let up so many big plays. In the game it looked like Darrent was trying to audible, putting Lynch on Wayne's deep routes while Darrent covers the flats, but he shouldn't have done that in the first play. It looks like Lynch and everyone else was playing man while Darrent wanted to play his little zone. A panzy move if you ask me. Cover your man!

Bronx33 · 10-31-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I think this is "Cornerbackspeak."

I still remember Elway toasting Shawn Springs everytime he saw him, and he turned out not so bad.

Don't forget Eddie Mac had a little to do with that toasting too.

Mediator12 · 10-31-2006, 10:26 AM

Also, mock take a look at a passing tree and see there are six zones a CB may have to Cover. If they play the LB's in a flat react zone it takes away the quick inside routes such as slants and crosses. If they play two deep safety's, then it takes away the over the top routes and deep posts. The place where the CB has to cover is taken from six areas to three. The Off man coverage is designed to take away another of those areas, the deep fade. It gives the CB extra leeway to not let the WR get behind him at the snap from press coverage.

Therefore, take away four of the six zones from the scheme design and Darrent has to cover the quick outs, comebacks, hitch and deep outs. Those are the four coverages he surrendered nine catches on yesterday out of nine attempts. He gave up a slant on a blitz where he had to cover four of the six zones which I can not blame him whatsoever. He gave up two skinny posts on blown coverages where he did not know where to cover. And Finally, and this is the one that is easily the worst, he gambled for a pick on a post corner stop and go where he had help to cover the quick post/slant and blew the deep coverage for a TD.

10-31-2006, 08:54 AM	#1
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	Darrent Williams: "I really didn’t have a bad game." Picking up the pieces Darrent Williams, Broncos try to regroup after disappointing loss to Indianapolis. By PAT GRAHAM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS DENVER - Darrent Williams’ sense of humor was already back Monday, along with his smile. The second-year cornerback stormed out of the locker room Sunday following Denver’s 34-31 loss to Indianapolis in which he was picked on repeatedly. On Monday, Williams watched himself on film surrendering three touchdowns to receiver Reggie Wayne, who caught 10 passes for 138 yards, and came to a surprising conclusion. ‘‘It looked like I had a terrible game,’’ Williams said. ‘‘When I watched film, I really didn’t have a bad game.’’ Well, at least not when compared to what Wayne did to his predecessor, Roc Alexander, who gave up 221 yards and two scores to him in the 2004 playoffs. ‘‘I cut it in half,’’ Williams said. ‘‘Next time I’m going to cut the (138) in half. I won’t back down from nobody.’’ There were questions about Williams’ confidence level after getting picked on and bullied around by Peyton Manning but his bruised ego had already healed a day after facing the Colts’ high-octane offense. Denver’s defense is another matter. The Broncos couldn’t put any pressure on Manning, who completed 32 of 39 passes for 345 yards against a defense that was built with him in mind. ‘‘It’s the great Peyton Manning. That’s what I call him now,’’ Williams said. ‘‘If you let him sit back there, I don’t care who you have back there, you can get all the Hall of Famers, bring them back in their prime, and he’ll pick them apart. You’ve got to get pressure on him.’’ Yet, even though the front four - which was without defensive tackle Gerard Warren (toe) - was unable to pressure Manning, the Broncos hardly blitzed Sunday. Coach Mike Shanahan said he stuck with the base defense because it had performed so well for the first six weeks and again in the first half when the Colts managed just two field goals. ‘‘You’ve got to get (pressure) out of your base defense if you’re going to be a great defense,’’ Shanahan said. ‘‘We didn’t have the push up front that we normally have. Until we played Peyton, we were doing all right. Some people are going to get exposed (against) a guy like Peyton.’’ (Did Shanahan just call out Williams or his DLine? ) Champ Bailey wasn’t so much surprised at the lack of pressure but by all the Broncos’ mistakes and miscommunications. On Wayne’s second touchdown - a 12-yarder in the third quarter - Williams thought the Broncos were in zone coverage and safety John Lynch played it like man coverage. Blown assignments like that have been rare this season. ‘‘We’ve been so sound in every part of the game,’’ Bailey said. ‘‘We’ve been a solid defense up to this point. It’s a letdown to give up 34 points like that.’’ Before Williams stomped out of the locker room Sunday, linebacker Al Wilson called him over for a little 1-on-1 chat. ‘‘He said, ’Man, you played a good game. It wasn’t your fault,’’’ Williams recounted. Williams also received calls of support from his coaches at Oklahoma State and fellow cornerback Domonique Foxworth, who knew what Williams was going through. Foxworth was picked on by Ben Roethlisberger during the Pittsburgh Steelers’ 34-17 win in last season’s AFC championship game. ‘‘They cheered me up,’’ Williams said. On Monday, though, all he heard and read was what a bad game he’d had. ‘‘That’s the nature of this league,’’ Williams said. ‘‘It’s like, ‘Start another corner, get rid of Darrent.’ I don’t get down. I know I actually didn’t play a bad game.’’ http://www.chieftain.com/sports/1162280336/1

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10-31-2006, 08:56 AM	#2
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	You might not of had a bad game Darrent, but you sure as hell did live up to the "if they throw it my way 10 or 12 times I'm getting 2 of them. Fo sho." I blame Coyer! I blame our defensive line! I blame Gerrad "Big p***Y" Warren for sitting out! Aaarrghhh

10-31-2006, 08:58 AM	#3
Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,601 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	I sure would hate to see a bad game, then...

10-31-2006, 08:59 AM	#4
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,848 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	Well our D-line got its Midterm exam and failed miserably, Now our D-backs pay the price.

10-31-2006, 08:59 AM	#5
fatcard Seasoned Veteran *No Sht** Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 253	I blame the mowhawk attitude.

10-31-2006, 09:02 AM	#6
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 11,104 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	This just in...the Hindenburg event has been downgraded from a 'disaster' to a 'pretty good showing by a good, young pilot'.

10-31-2006, 09:02 AM	#7
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Well Mr. Lynch did blow a coverage or two................

10-31-2006, 09:07 AM	#11
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,076	It was embarrassing to see us not get any pressure on Manning. If we had rattled him a few times, we might have had some turnovers...

10-31-2006, 09:10 AM	#13
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,099	I think this is "Cornerbackspeak." I still remember Elway toasting Shawn Springs everytime he saw him, and he turned out not so bad.

10-31-2006, 09:13 AM	#14
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	Like I said before, he's better suited to play nickel. If the other two DB's would step up it would take some pressure off...Lynch seemed late if there at all. Buy a vowel...Mediator can assert that "he had over and under protection" but I didn't see it. If a CB loses confidence, he's worthless. See Roc and Lennie. Same with recievers. For whatever reason, QB's seem a little more thick skinned. DWill didn't get the help over the top that Medator claims whatsoever. I think half of his stuff to hear himself, maybe 80 of mine is the same...but to say DWill had safety help is absurd, or we need to get a new one or two. On those TD's by Wayne no safety even touched Wayne. WTF are you people watching? Here is what happens in a good defensive play...if the corner bites, and is getting beaten, the safety comes in and either hammers the ball out, tackles, or forces an incompletion. Do this Mediator...show me the plays where over the top coverage even touched Wayne. Oven one. I see some tackles by Lynch at the line and nothing but a couple more maybe tracking down a loose reciever. Telling us DWill had over the top help is amusing when he ran untouched three times. "Oh he wasn't deep" Well wouldn't that make it easier for a safety to cover?

10-31-2006, 09:17 AM	#16
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Aside from darrent trying to spin this... Our pass rush is more to blame than D Will. We never came close to putting preasure on Manning, unless that changes there will be more of the same next time.

10-31-2006, 10:01 AM	#19
mattbeymvp I'm right, you're not Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aurora Posts: 321 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Tony Snow has taken over as Williams' agent.

10-31-2006, 10:24 AM	#23
Tw0mey Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 103	Man I was so dissapointed with the left side of the defensive backfield that game. I can't believe Darrent let up so many big plays. In the game it looked like Darrent was trying to audible, putting Lynch on Wayne's deep routes while Darrent covers the flats, but he shouldn't have done that in the first play. It looks like Lynch and everyone else was playing man while Darrent wanted to play his little zone. A panzy move if you ask me. Cover your man!

10-31-2006, 10:26 AM	#25
Mediator12 OM analyst REAL Front Seven Bandwagon !!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INDY Posts: 9,703 Adopt-a-Bronco: Malik Jackson	Also, mock take a look at a passing tree and see there are six zones a CB may have to Cover. If they play the LB's in a flat react zone it takes away the quick inside routes such as slants and crosses. If they play two deep safety's, then it takes away the over the top routes and deep posts. The place where the CB has to cover is taken from six areas to three. The Off man coverage is designed to take away another of those areas, the deep fade. It gives the CB extra leeway to not let the WR get behind him at the snap from press coverage. Therefore, take away four of the six zones from the scheme design and Darrent has to cover the quick outs, comebacks, hitch and deep outs. Those are the four coverages he surrendered nine catches on yesterday out of nine attempts. He gave up a slant on a blitz where he had to cover four of the six zones which I can not blame him whatsoever. He gave up two skinny posts on blown coverages where he did not know where to cover. And Finally, and this is the one that is easily the worst, he gambled for a pick on a post corner stop and go where he had help to cover the quick post/slant and blew the deep coverage for a TD.