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Old 10-30-2006, 06:18 PM   #276
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Certainly, imagin if Jake hadnt turn the ball over 4 times against the Rams and 4 times against the Steelers. But, through 7 games the defense has shown up 6 times to your O's 1.

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You know your post is great when you have to tell yourself it was good.

I wasn't talking about Jake. I'm talking about our defensive collapse. I can send you a VHS of the game if you missed it.
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Old 10-30-2006, 06:19 PM   #277
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When he has 5min to stand in the pocket@#$@%
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Old 10-30-2006, 06:27 PM   #279
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Marino and Elway (and Kelly for that matter) all had road playoff wins and Super Bowl appearances by now. Manning hasn't won anything and its going on year ten.
Yeah, why do people INSIST on comparing this when its so easy to disprove?! It makes no sense.
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Yeah, why do people INSIST on comparing this when its so easy to disprove?! It makes no sense.

How do you disprove (no superbowls)
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No, I mean the comparisons to Elway and these other qbs at the same point in their careers...even Dungy buys into this nonsense. Manning can't even win a freaking playoff game on the road, and Seven had been in the bowl three times, Thirteen one time and Super Poop Kelly more than once.
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Forehead boy can go down in history with all the stats in the world but with no SBs to show for it how can he be held with the greats? and some are already doing this cough* boomer cough*.
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:10 PM   #283
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Obviously it's conjecture, but an argument can be made that Addai wouldn't have had as much success with Warren in the middle...thus changing Indy's philosophy. Guys like that make a huge difference. Take Jamal Williams out of the Bolts lineup and see how well they play against any decent offensive team. Those hosses in the trenches make everything work. When they're commanding double teams...that leaves 10 defensive players to 9 offensive...that's significant.

As far as people harping on the negative...I've been a member of the 'mane long enough to know that a good many of it's members are incredibly high strung. It doesn't take much to set them off. These same people (if they're old enough to remember) probablly jumped ship in '97 after the Donks got embarassed by the '49ers on Monday Night Football. To hell with them.

I was a Donks fan long before the 'Mane was a twinkle in Taco John's QWERTY row. This loss isn't even close to a terrible loss. A terrible loss is the game they lost to Tampa Bay at home in '93...etc.
Back on the RMN board, you can bet your ass there were plenty of people bailing after that Pitt/Frisco road trip in 1997. I'm sure, to a fan, they remember their support as steadfast and unswerving.
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Just a little something I found kicking around the Ring of Fame.

Did Peyton Manning Choke Today?
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:30 PM   #285
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Back on the RMN board, you can bet your ass there were plenty of people bailing after that Pitt/Frisco road trip in 1997. I'm sure, to a fan, they remember their support as steadfast and unswerving.

I remember showing up to school in the DFW area the year following the 55-10 humiliating SB performance wearing Broncos gear and hearing about it continuously until early 1997.

One of my brothers is a Dolphins fan, one is a Vikings fan, and the other is a Redskins fan. The anti-Elway/Broncos ribbing that they delivered incessantly from 1985 until 1997 finally was silenced by TD, Elway, Sharpe, Rod and the boys. It's been a long trip, but the Broncos have delivered.
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Wow. That's a lot of boys your parents had to feed. Do you have any sisters?
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Wow. That's a lot of boys your parents had to feed. Do you have any sisters?

Nope. We had a rough and tumble childhood. Instant football games in the yard, fights, you name it. My poor mother...
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Old 10-30-2006, 09:54 PM   #288
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Looks like Rod agrees with me. I'll take that.



Peyton second only to Elway
By Jim Armstrong
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Where should we rate Peyton Manning among the NFL's all-time greats? Rod Smith, when asked if Manning was the best he had ever seen: "No ... Seven. But you know what? He's real freakin' close. He's amazing." ...
That's seven, as in John Elway, who, for the record, never completed 32 out of 39 on the road against a defense that had allowed 44 points in six games. ...

Tony Dungy, when asked how the Colts could keep winning with such a shaky defense, "You can't overemphasize how good the quarterback is." Gee, ya think? ...

Tell you what. I've covered the Broncos since 1984, and Manning's performance in the Colts' 34-31 W was the best I've seen by an opposing quarterback in Denver. The only one remotely close that comes to mind was Jacksonville's Mark Brunell, who almost single-handedly beat the Bronx in the 1996 playoffs. ...

In case your calculator doesn't count that high, that's 124 points - 41.3 per - the Broncos have allowed in their past three encounters with Manning, not counting his cameo appearance at the end of the 2004 season at Invesco. ...

Nick Ferguson, desperately trying to put a positive spin on things, "If we look at our past performances against this team, even though we didn't win ... we fared better against them in this game than we had in the past." ...

Yes, the Colts are undefeated, but don't even think about calling them the best team in the league. Not with that run defense. Fact: Indy has outscored its opponents by 52 points. The Bears, also 7-0, have outscored their opponents by 152. ...

Apparently the Sports Illustrated cover jinx is spreading. The Broncos' loss came a matter of days after a story near the back of the magazine pumping up the Denver defense. ...

How much pressure was Manning putting on the Broncos defense? John Lynch was forced to call two timeouts out of concern for the Broncos' alignment against the hurry-up offense. ...

If the Broncos' pass rushers want to see what Manning looks like, they'll have to watch one of his TV commercials. He threw 39 times and wasn't sacked all day long. ...

Ebenezer Ekuban, on being demoralized by Manning: "Especially when you're one or two steps from him. Any other quarterback would just hold on to the ball or just throw it out of bounds, but he seems to make those hard completions. Throws that you think nobody else can make, Peyton Manning can make. That's where he got us today. Give him credit, man. Phenomenal job." ...

Jake Plummer played perhaps his best game of the season, but facts are facts. His fumble on the Broncos' 12-yard line turned out to be the difference in the game. ...

Reggie Wayne, when asked about the significance of the Colts being 7-0: "Hey, we were 13-0 last year." ...

Memo to Cecil Sapp: Probably not a good idea to spike the ball on the 1-yard line. If the officials had thrown a flag, the Barney Fife vein in Mike Shanahan's neck was coming out. ...

By the way, Sapp's 39 yards on two carries were more than he had gained in an entire season. His career high for a season had been 32. ...
The Colts scored 28 points in the second half. The Broncos before Sunday had allowed 26 second-half points all season. ...

If you're wondering how the Tennessee Tin Men held the Colts to 14 points - at Indy, no less - you're not alone. "We've been playing such good football all year," Ekuban said. "When you have the Tennessee Titans and other teams holding them to 14 or 17 and we gave up 34, that's what really eats at you." ...

It gets lost in the shuffle, but the Broncos' play-action worked better than it has all season. Stuff happens when you make some plays and opposing defenses have to respect your passing game. ...

The final word, courtesy of Smith: "We've got to swallow this big pill right here and then come back, be hard on ourselves and find a way to get better."

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Looks like Rod agrees with me. I'll take that.

I dont know if you are perpetuating this stuff to generate hits on your site, but I would wager that it is doing more harm than good.
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Of course Taco blames Jake. He kept saying it all through this thread by listing it first in the reasons "if" (if the offense doesn't turn it over, if we don't go 3 and out to start the 3rd quarter, if we get one more stop).

This is classic Trolling 101. If Plummer had the exact same stats as Manning, he would be harping on the 2 incompletions on 3rd down. Considering we didn't stop them one time after the first possession of the game, considereing the Colts had just driven right down the field for a TD before the fumble so we actually did not have the momentum, and considering that manning could have scored a TD on the last drive if they needed it, it is pretty weak to pin things on a early third quarter fumble.

Watching the game with some friends who aren't bronco fans, I said if we lose a bid percentage of online fans will blame Plummer for this right here. They said those are idiot fans, and couldn't believe that would be the case.

I love how when we were winning in weeks 3-5 because of great D and the offense scored points late to win games, it was all about Kill Jake. Now, when the D plays ridiculously poorly against the Colts in a season when the Tennessee D and the Jags D both held the Colts O down in the dome, it is once again time to blame Plummer.

Also I don't see any Chicken Littles giving up. This is a common tactic among online bronco fans: make up a claim (people giving up) a attribute to your opponents, repeat it, then call them out for the made up claim. Standard RNC tactics.

I knew you people wouldn't let me down

PS - I wonder if Rod agrees with you about the QB position this year? (Hint: no)
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Old 10-30-2006, 11:12 PM   #291
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okay fine, I'll admit it, Peyton Manning is better than Jake Plummer. Well that sure does a lot of good.
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Obviously it's conjecture, but an argument can be made that Addai wouldn't have had as much success with Warren in the middle...thus changing Indy's philosophy. Guys like that make a huge difference. Take Jamal Williams out of the Bolts lineup and see how well they play against any decent offensive team. Those hosses in the trenches make everything work. When they're commanding double teams...that leaves 10 defensive players to 9 offensive...that's significant.

As far as people harping on the negative...I've been a member of the 'mane long enough to know that a good many of it's members are incredibly high strung. It doesn't take much to set them off. These same people (if they're old enough to remember) probablly jumped ship in '97 after the Donks got embarassed by the '49ers on Monday Night Football. To hell with them.

I was a Donks fan long before the 'Mane was a twinkle in Taco John's QWERTY row. This loss isn't even close to a terrible loss. A terrible loss is the game they lost to Tampa Bay at home in '93...etc.
Ahh, the old woulda shoulda coulda. What if Mike Doss & Bob Sanders lined up at safety. What if Raegor lined up at defensive line. What if Brandon Stokley lined up at as a 3rd WR.

Let us only remember Big Money was out and the woulda shouLda.
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No, I mean the comparisons to Elway and these other qbs at the same point in their careers...even Dungy buys into this nonsense. Manning can't even win a freaking playoff game on the road, and Seven had been in the bowl three times, Thirteen one time and Super Poop Kelly more than once.
hmmm so that KC win was a figment of my imagination?
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I was a Donks fan long before the 'Mane was a twinkle in Taco John's QWERTY row. This loss isn't even close to a terrible loss. A terrible loss is the game they lost to Tampa Bay at home in '93...etc.
This is why I laugh at you.

You were a Broncos fan before the internet was widely spread. Well golly gee, your reference to the TB game takes us way back. Give me a ****ing break... You act like you know more about the Broncos than anyone who ****ing posts. Get off your ****ing horse. Thanks for taking us back to 19 ****ing 93...
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I dont know if you are perpetuating this stuff to generate hits on your site, but I would wager that it is doing more harm than good.

You seriously think I'm all that concerned with getting more hits to the site? We're getting more traffic than we've ever had in the history of the Mane. I don't even think about whether what I post generates traffic or not. I'm just a single poster here when you get right down to it. A drop in the ocean.

I'm not perpetuating anything that Broncos players themselves aren't perpetuating. Down to a man, they're all talking about how good Peyton was. It's the same story from Champ Bailey:

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/local_...303075924.html


Bottom line: Peyton Manning is awesome. The guy went up against a very good defense, and shredded them. He's got our players respect, and he definitely has mine.
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Of course Taco blames Jake.

What? I don't blame Jake at all for this loss you moron. You're ready to defend Jake no matter what apparently, even from people who aren't really dogging him. Looks like you've pretty much exposed your bias. You're going to ride Plummers jock come hell or high water. Good for you. Leave me out of it.

His turnover hurt us, to be sure, but it wasn't the end all of the game. We were in it to the end, which is more than we can say about our other games against the Colts.

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Bottom line: Peyton Manning is awesome. The guy went up against a very good defense, and shredded them. He's got our players respect, and he definitely has mine.
Have you tried writing him a letter? He might send you an 8X10 glossy or something... maybe it'll have a little of his sweat on it?

What, oh... Rod Smith congratulated your idol? What's he going to say... our defense is garbage? We may as well not even filed defensive linemen in these games? I could pick apart a defense with 10 seconds to throw every ball? Yea, I'm sure Rod is just as doe-eyed over Manning as you are.

Gotta say, though. What other kind of behavior would you expect from a "hardcore" fan. I mean, your defense gets slapped around like a high school team after re-tooling the organization for three years to avoid this exact thing, and what's your reaction? Of course, a gushy love affair with the opposing quarterback. It's always about the quarterback. After all, that's the only position on the field.

Now THAT'S a passionate fan right there. Pimping the QB who continues to step on the throat of his team in every big game. Hey, if you can't beat them, join them... eh Taco?


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Have you tried writing him a letter? He might send you an 8X10 glossy or something... maybe it'll have a little of his sweat on it?

What, oh... Rod Smith congratulated your idol? What's he going to say... our defense is garbage? We may as well not even filed defensive linemen in these games? I could pick apart a defense with 10 seconds to throw every ball? Yea, I'm sure Rod is just as doe-eyed over Manning as you are.

Gotta say, though. What other kind of behavior would you expect from a "hardcore" fan. I mean, your defense gets slapped around like a high school team after re-tooling the organization for three years to avoid this exact thing, and what's your reaction? Of course, a gushy love affair with the opposing quarterback. It's always about the quarterback. After all, that's the only position on the field.

Now THAT'S a passionate fan right there. Pimping the QB who continues to step on the throat of his team in every big game. Hey, if you can't beat them, join them... eh Taco?




So, in your great genius no one can appreciate another player in the NFL? Just players on his favorite team?
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During Denver's tieing field goal drive, maybe Denver can run the clock all the way down to tie or take the lead with a TD, and I see a sideline shot of Manning, and he's sitting on the bench, flipping through the Polaroids, flipping through the Polaroids. Never looks up. Total concentration. Very impressive. This guy has to be knocked silly to avoid a 300 yd game and at least one TD pass.
No kidding...

Try explaining that to the hoards of idiots in this thread though...

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Really, I said it was the Superbowl? You'll have to show me that.

That said, the entire organization and everyone in the free press will tell you that this defense was constructed over the past three years almost solely with the idea of stopping this exact thing in mind. So, forgive us misguided non-Manning fans who were a little put off by our total failure.
What kind of bullshiat is this?

According to even you Popps, the biggest problem we have and the best way to stop Peyton is to have a front four that sacks the QB well.

This defense certainly isn't built that way, yes, even according to you.

Yeah, we do have a good secondary, but you need that against ALL teams. But Anubis is right in your original post. You're beginning to sound like a chef fan who's superbowl is the Denver game.
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