Yes, the Defense had a bad game but..... - The Orange Mane

Northman · 10-29-2006, 04:53 PM

This game really came down to 2 plays.

1) The Fumble. Take away the gimme 7 points and we win this game.

2) On our final drive with 3:35 left. Mike Bell busts off a huge run to get into Indy territory. The Indy defense then stuffs our run on the first 2 downs. Jake does a nice job at avoiding a sack but then with time throws it down in the dirt.

Now again, our defense had a bad day. But this is also the defense that has carried this team to a 5-1 record prior to today. But, it shows even more. Last year in the AFCCG there was complaints that the hole was too big for Jake to dig us out of and thats why it was ok for Jake to have 4 turnovers etc, etc. But today Jake had a opportunity to show the comeback ability he had in Az. He was unable to do that today and left too much time for Manning.

Our defense played against a HOF Qb today and did a poor job but yet we still only lost by 3. The season is hardly over here. And this is one bad game as opposed to 4-5 bad games by Jake and even then today Jake had a costly turnover. So for all the doom and gloomers out there we are still 5-2. The season is hardly over.

Popps · 10-29-2006, 05:00 PM

Umm... no, it came down to about 30 plays where our defense was invisible, particularly the front four.

But, you're right... Indy's high profile, Pro Bowl DE did make the biggest play of the game, sacking Plummer and forcing a (questionable) fumble.)

Too bad it wasn't one of our defenders forcing a game-changing fumble, huh?

Popps · 10-29-2006, 05:01 PM

Wow, this thread is amazing. (After reading again.)

It really serves as proof that the Earth is Flat society will always simply see what they want to see.

****, I'll bet even Taco could call this game for what it was.

What an impressively off-target thread.

orangenblue · 10-29-2006, 05:02 PM

All of what you say is true however the reality now is someone needs to take out the Colts for us. Because there is no way were going to beat them in Indy. The game today was as important as a playoff game and the Broncos new it. They lost. This team isn't ready to win it all yet.

Clockwork Orange · 10-29-2006, 05:04 PM

Trying to pin this loss on Plummer is about as ridiculous as it gets, but then nothing around this place surprises me anymore.

freak6 · 10-29-2006, 05:07 PM

Why did Coyer leave Darrent in man the entire 2nd half? I think Coyer fell asleep today. He wasn't marginal, he was TERRIBLE.

Where is a zone blitz as Peyton was running stupid play action fakes all day, just begging us to blitz him for a sack.

Clockwork Orange · 10-29-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by freak6

Why did Coyer leave Darrent in man the entire 2nd half?

That's as vaild a question as why did they make no adjustments when it was clear that the Colts had at halftime.

Manning could have sat in a lounge chair back there, the D-line got nowhere near him all day.

2KBack · 10-29-2006, 05:12 PM

yeah, and force one goddamn punt and Denver wins too, damn that plummer.

smalltowngrll · 10-29-2006, 05:15 PM

It really comes down to the fact that our Defense couldn't stop them from scoring on every drive but one! Our O showed up, played great and our Defense didn't do so hot this time. I guess all of our sideline coaches here on the mane will start calling for a new Defense now!

orangemonkey · 10-29-2006, 05:17 PM

Yeah, Anubis couldn't be further off target on this one.

bloodsunday · 10-29-2006, 05:18 PM

Our defense was less rigid than a wet napkin. If anything we were lucky to be in that game the way they played. No way you can scape goat the Plummer fumble as "the play".

riiiiick · 10-29-2006, 05:20 PM

no fumble, punt, take over at 50 = TD anyway today. this game came down to 39 plays. no hurries, tips, deflections, knockdowns, sacks, or pics in 39 pass attempts.

Bronco9798 · 10-29-2006, 05:22 PM

On that fumble we would of been punting in the end zone. So, they would of scored a few minutes later. You really think the D was going to hold them starting at mid-field. What an idiotic thread and statement. Just stupid. I figured some dimwit would come up with something stupid like that.

Northman · 10-29-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Our defense was less rigid than a wet napkin. If anything we were lucky to be in that game the way they played. No way you can scape goat the Plummer fumble as "the play".

Oh really? 7 points is 7 points. You do the math.

SprintRightOption · 10-29-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by riiiiick

no fumble, punt, take over at 50 = TD anyway today. this game came down to 39 plays. no hurries, tips, deflections, knockdowns, sacks, or pics in 39 pass attempts.

Exactly. The Colts scored on every 2nd half possession, they would have scored anyway. At my place we were yelling "the whistle blew!", because it did. Someone said it's a new rule, but the ref blw the whistle as soon as plummer landed on the other player. Either way, we had our chance to win this game at the end.

This thread is ridiculous Anubis, because most QBs would have been sacked when the pocket collapsed immediately on that play, leaving a 58 yard FG or a 4th and 18. So naturally you fault Plummer for throwing short in panic after avoiding a sack. Weak.

bloodsunday · 10-29-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Oh really? 7 points is 7 points. You do the math.

Well if our "vaunted" D holds em its only 3 and we win the game. You do that math!

Broncoman13 · 10-29-2006, 05:34 PM

Funny that our defense didn't stop them on one drive the entire day... not one punt. Yet, had Plummer not fumbled we would have punted the ball down to the 50 or their 40 and we would have somehow forced them to punt... Whatever. Last year this is the time that we really started to blitz hard. I figured it would come today. I can understand Shanny's belief in teams adjusting to our blitz packages (from last year anyhow) but you have to look at the flow of a game and make IN GAME changes. In the 4th quarter there was NO reason not to try and blitz. If Peyton makes you play then so be it. He's making you pay by giving him 5 seconds every time he drops back. Another thing I noticed. When we did send a LB that LB went straight for the blocker. Reminds me of Kids Inc football. Must engage before going after the ball carrier. This isn't kids Inc.!!! Put a flipping move on a guy. Swim, Hump, Spin, Club, ANYf***ING move! LB's trying to bullrush EVERYTIME. Makes no sense. I get the straight line is the quickest route, but think about the physics here. 310+ vs 240... Not rocket science... whatever.

Bottom line. Shanny needs to stick a boot in Coyer's ass and tell him to make adjustments during the game. We didn't hit Coyer once. The Freaking Titans held them to 14 points in Indy. Don't tell me it can't be done. The Colts are in Coyer's head. Simple as that!

Northman · 10-29-2006, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSKIE

Funny that our defense didn't stop them on one drive the entire day... not one punt. Yet, had Plummer not fumbled we would have punted the ball down to the 50 or their 40 and we would have somehow forced them to punt... Whatever. Last year this is the time that we really started to blitz hard. I figured it would come today. I can understand Shanny's belief in teams adjusting to our blitz packages (from last year anyhow) but you have to look at the flow of a game and make IN GAME changes. In the 4th quarter there was NO reason not to try and blitz. If Peyton makes you play then so be it. He's making you pay by giving him 5 seconds every time he drops back. Another thing I noticed. When we did send a LB that LB went straight for the blocker. Reminds me of Kids Inc football. Must engage before going after the ball carrier. This isn't kids Inc.!!! Put a flipping move on a guy. Swim, Hump, Spin, Club, ANY****ING move! LB's trying to bullrush EVERYTIME. Makes no sense. I get the straight line is the quickest route, but think about the physics here. 310+ vs 240... Not rocket science... whatever.

Bottom line. Shanny needs to stick a boot in Coyer's ass and tell him to make adjustments during the game. We didn't hit Coyer once. The Freaking Titans held them to 14 points in Indy. Don't tell me it can't be done. The Colts are in Coyer's head. Simple as that!

Actually, we did stop them once. But that was in the first half. And this isnt about whether or not the Colts would have scored. Its about making them at least earn it. Giving them a chip shot at our 10 with the defense already having issues isnt helping them one bit. With 3:35 in the game all the offense has to do is control the clock and score a TD. Thats it. None the less, we lost by 3 and its hardly anything to get worked up about. We got beat by a better team today.

Northman · 10-29-2006, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodsunday

Well if our "vaunted" D holds em its only 3 and we win the game. You do that math!

So the Defense had a bad game. What a ****ing chicken little you are.

Broncoman13 · 10-29-2006, 05:42 PM

I'm not sure we got beat by a better team today. Call it what you like. I'm pissed. We got out coached by lesser coaches. Simple as that. Mike Bell tried to throw us on his back and carry us through this one. If not for him we're blown out. He was the best Bronco on the field today. Unfortunately he was over shadowed by performances from Peyton and Reggie Wayne.

Tombstone RJ · 10-29-2006, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSKIE

Funny that our defense didn't stop them on one drive the entire day... not one punt... In the 4th quarter there was NO reason not to try and blitz.... Not rocket science... whatever.

Bottom line. Shanny needs to stick a boot in Coyer's ass and tell him to make adjustments during the game. We didn't hit Coyer once. The Freaking Titans held them to 14 points in Indy. Don't tell me it can't be done. The Colts are in Coyer's head. Simple as that!

Bottom line is you are wrong. The Broncos did force the Colts to punt, it was in the first quarter, but the fact is the Colts did punt. Also, the Broncos did blitz in the fourth quarter and the Colts still moved the ball. Furthermore, Manning was making adjustments at the LOS to counter the Broncos blitzes.

Northman · 10-29-2006, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSKIE

I'm not sure we got beat by a better team today. Call it what you like. I'm pissed. We got out coached by lesser coaches. Simple as that. Mike Bell tried to throw us on his back and carry us through this one. If not for him we're blown out. He was the best Bronco on the field today. Unfortunately he was over shadowed by performances from Peyton and Reggie Wayne.

Well, it seems painfully obvious that the Colts have become our Kryptonite. We seem to have gotten over the Ravens but the Colts are a different kind of monster for us. None the less, it could have been worse.

bloodsunday · 10-29-2006, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

So the Defense had a bad game. What a ****ing chicken little you are.

Thank god you can admit it. You've been trying to sell that 2 play theory. Good lord every play by our D today was the reason we lost.

I'm not a chicken little. I am very distrubed by this loss as I really thought we could/should win this game. If you had told me before handwe would run for over 200 yards, I'd say it was an easy win! I'll get over it. Hopefully the players can get over it to. Watching the lockerroom interviews the players took it as hard as I did. Hopefully there's no hangover.

penguintheory · 10-29-2006, 05:47 PM

The second poster disagreed with the original post, so the original poster must be totally WRONG!

penguintheory · 10-29-2006, 05:48 PM

P.S. Defense bashers, remember that the defense has been Plummer's ONLY friend weeks 1-5.

10-29-2006, 04:53 PM	#1
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	Yes, the Defense had a bad game but..... This game really came down to 2 plays. 1) The Fumble. Take away the gimme 7 points and we win this game. 2) On our final drive with 3:35 left. Mike Bell busts off a huge run to get into Indy territory. The Indy defense then stuffs our run on the first 2 downs. Jake does a nice job at avoiding a sack but then with time throws it down in the dirt. Now again, our defense had a bad day. But this is also the defense that has carried this team to a 5-1 record prior to today. But, it shows even more. Last year in the AFCCG there was complaints that the hole was too big for Jake to dig us out of and thats why it was ok for Jake to have 4 turnovers etc, etc. But today Jake had a opportunity to show the comeback ability he had in Az. He was unable to do that today and left too much time for Manning. Our defense played against a HOF Qb today and did a poor job but yet we still only lost by 3. The season is hardly over here. And this is one bad game as opposed to 4-5 bad games by Jake and even then today Jake had a costly turnover. So for all the doom and gloomers out there we are still 5-2. The season is hardly over.

10-29-2006, 05:07 PM	#6
freak6 3,631 - WAKE UP!!!! Impeach President Cheney and Puppet Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,651 Adopt-a-Bronco: MJK	Why did Coyer leave Darrent in man the entire 2nd half? I think Coyer fell asleep today. He wasn't marginal, he was TERRIBLE. Where is a zone blitz as Peyton was running stupid play action fakes all day, just begging us to blitz him for a sack. Last edited by freak6; 10-29-2006 at 05:10 PM..

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10-29-2006, 05:00 PM	#2
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Umm... no, it came down to about 30 plays where our defense was invisible, particularly the front four. But, you're right... Indy's high profile, Pro Bowl DE did make the biggest play of the game, sacking Plummer and forcing a (questionable) fumble.) Too bad it wasn't one of our defenders forcing a game-changing fumble, huh?

10-29-2006, 05:01 PM	#3
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Wow, this thread is amazing. (After reading again.) It really serves as proof that the Earth is Flat society will always simply see what they want to see. ****, I'll bet even Taco could call this game for what it was. What an impressively off-target thread.

10-29-2006, 05:02 PM	#4
orangenblue Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northern California Posts: 3,218	All of what you say is true however the reality now is someone needs to take out the Colts for us. Because there is no way were going to beat them in Indy. The game today was as important as a playoff game and the Broncos new it. They lost. This team isn't ready to win it all yet.

10-29-2006, 05:04 PM	#5
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Trying to pin this loss on Plummer is about as ridiculous as it gets, but then nothing around this place surprises me anymore.

10-29-2006, 05:12 PM	#8
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,275	yeah, and force one goddamn punt and Denver wins too, damn that plummer.

10-29-2006, 05:15 PM	#9
smalltowngrll Orange Blue Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bend, OR Posts: 8,038 Adopt-a-Bronco: dortoh	It really comes down to the fact that our Defense couldn't stop them from scoring on every drive but one! Our O showed up, played great and our Defense didn't do so hot this time. I guess all of our sideline coaches here on the mane will start calling for a new Defense now!

10-29-2006, 05:17 PM	#10
orangemonkey Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 866	Yeah, Anubis couldn't be further off target on this one.

10-29-2006, 05:18 PM	#11
bloodsunday Ring of Famer Nothing lasts forever. Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Dove Valley Posts: 5,839 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	Our defense was less rigid than a wet napkin. If anything we were lucky to be in that game the way they played. No way you can scape goat the Plummer fumble as "the play".

10-29-2006, 05:20 PM	#12
riiiiick Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 238	no fumble, punt, take over at 50 = TD anyway today. this game came down to 39 plays. no hurries, tips, deflections, knockdowns, sacks, or pics in 39 pass attempts.

10-29-2006, 05:22 PM	#13
Bronco9798 Two Time World Champions Boom Goes The Dynamite Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a Van Down By the River Posts: 2,353 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	On that fumble we would of been punting in the end zone. So, they would of scored a few minutes later. You really think the D was going to hold them starting at mid-field. What an idiotic thread and statement. Just stupid. I figured some dimwit would come up with something stupid like that.

10-29-2006, 05:34 PM	#17
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	Funny that our defense didn't stop them on one drive the entire day... not one punt. Yet, had Plummer not fumbled we would have punted the ball down to the 50 or their 40 and we would have somehow forced them to punt... Whatever. Last year this is the time that we really started to blitz hard. I figured it would come today. I can understand Shanny's belief in teams adjusting to our blitz packages (from last year anyhow) but you have to look at the flow of a game and make IN GAME changes. In the 4th quarter there was NO reason not to try and blitz. If Peyton makes you play then so be it. He's making you pay by giving him 5 seconds every time he drops back. Another thing I noticed. When we did send a LB that LB went straight for the blocker. Reminds me of Kids Inc football. Must engage before going after the ball carrier. This isn't kids Inc.!!! Put a flipping move on a guy. Swim, Hump, Spin, Club, ANYf***ING move! LB's trying to bullrush EVERYTIME. Makes no sense. I get the straight line is the quickest route, but think about the physics here. 310+ vs 240... Not rocket science... whatever. Bottom line. Shanny needs to stick a boot in Coyer's ass and tell him to make adjustments during the game. We didn't hit Coyer once. The Freaking Titans held them to 14 points in Indy. Don't tell me it can't be done. The Colts are in Coyer's head. Simple as that!

10-29-2006, 05:42 PM	#20
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	I'm not sure we got beat by a better team today. Call it what you like. I'm pissed. We got out coached by lesser coaches. Simple as that. Mike Bell tried to throw us on his back and carry us through this one. If not for him we're blown out. He was the best Bronco on the field today. Unfortunately he was over shadowed by performances from Peyton and Reggie Wayne.

10-29-2006, 05:47 PM	#24
penguintheory studio gangster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: chicahhgo Posts: 652 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Momma	The second poster disagreed with the original post, so the original poster must be totally WRONG!

10-29-2006, 05:48 PM	#25
penguintheory studio gangster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: chicahhgo Posts: 652 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Momma	P.S. Defense bashers, remember that the defense has been Plummer's ONLY friend weeks 1-5.