|10-26-2006, 11:04 PM||#1|
Join Date: Nov 2003
ok, this has been on boil for a long time
some of you may not care, but to those of us that do there has been debate raging in the micc for some time now. Body Armor. I am sure that most of us would like to see our soldiers get the best available. Basically the Interceptor Armor that is issued vs Dragon Armor that some soldiers and marines have bought on their own. I will say for sure that I have personally seen the Interceptor Armor stop AK47 rounds with soldiers in them. Yea, they got bruised, but carried on the fight after some definate wtf moments.
Dragon Skin Passes Another, Non-DOD, Level III Test In Direct Comparison With Armored Mobility Incorporated (AMI) Level III Plate Armor
By Roger Charles
CORRECTED VERSION -- Editor's Note: This Editor mistakenly implied that the armor plate described in the following article was a military issued ballistic plate used with the Interceptor Body Armor system. The AMI Level III plate tested is NOT a U.S. military issued item, but it is representative of the generic approach which employs rigid ballistic plates.
Well, patient readers of DefenseWatch now have some more credible, empirical data to consider as they weigh the question, are our troops being provided the best available body armor?
Following Pinnacle Armor's Dragon Skin having passed the recent NIJ tests in Wichita, Kansas (view article), we have this latest news, from an impartial and technically knowledgeable source, about Dragon Skin's successfully passing another Level III test!!
This latest test was conducted by, and the results reported by, Dr. Gary K. Roberts, LCDR, USNR, Stanford University Medical Center, Palo Alto, CA.
Here's the essential information from Dr. Roberts' posting, and a link to one of the sites where his test report, including some very interesting graphics, is posted.
Read it, and please note that for the same level and area of ballistic protection, wearing the flexible Dragon Skin is three pounds less than the AMI equivalent. That's 50% more weight with the rigid AMI plate carried by a troop to get only the equivalent protection!! (Not to mention the other inherent advantages in a flexible body armor.)
Editor's Note: Below are some sections from Dr. Roberts' posting at the web address cited above, as well as an Editor's Comment.
Pinnacle Dragon Skin SOV-2000 level III armor was tested this week for an LE agency, along with stand-alone Armored Mobility Incorporated level III plate armor used as a control and for comparison. Both types of armor were conditioned for 12 hours at 170 degrees F, then moved to ambient air for approximately 90 min prior to being shot. The problems associated with the use of inelastic clay backing material have been well documented; as such, the armor was secured to a life-size curvilinear torso replica made of Perma-Gel. Each armor system was shot a minimum of 20 times with five shots of each ammunition type fired against each armor system--one 90 degree perpendicular shot, two shots at 60 degrees obliquity, and two shots at 30 degrees obliquity, using each of the following loads fired at a distance of 10 feet:
-- 5.56 mm 40 gr LeMas Urban Warfare (using a moly coated Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet) with a 3718 f/s average velocity.
-- 5.56 mm M855 62 gr FMJ with a 3054 f/s average velocity.
-- 7.62x39 mm M43 123 gr steel-core FMJ with a 2307 f/s average velocity.
-- .30-06 M2 150 gr FMJ with a 2736 f/s average velocity.
All of the above ammo was successfully stopped by both armor systems in this testing, with no armor failures or penetrations, even after receiving multiple hits. [Emphasis in the original.]
Note that since both of these armor systems are level III, they are not rated to stop true AP rifle ammunition.
AMI level III plates are fabricated using an outer 3 mm MARS steel layer bonded to a compressed Dyneema backing, with a linex coating for spall reduction, resulting in a total plate thickness of approximately 1”. AMI level III 12” x 14.5” plates weigh about 10 lbs and 10” x 12” plates are about 9 lbs.
Pinnacle SOV-2000 level III armor is made of overlapping approximately 0.25” x 2” ceramic discs encased in a fabric cover. In evaluating the Dragon Skin system, it is important to note that while the external measurements of the Dragon Skin panel are 11.5” x 13.5”, the area of level III coverage provided by the encased ceramic discs is 10” x 12”; the fabric edges are NOT intended to provide ballistic protection. Weight of the Pinnacle SOV-2000 Dragon Skin armor providing 10 x 12 inches of level III protection was approximately 6 lbs.
Both armor systems clearly met and exceeded the NIJ level III requirements and offered true multi-hit protection from the class of rifle projectiles they are rated to stop. [Emphasis in the original.]
Editor's Comment: I believe this is the first publicized, side-by-side comparison of Pinnacle Armor's Dragon Skin flexible body armor against the rigid plate protection approach, as used by the Interceptor Body Armor system. (The AMI plate is NOT a U.S. military issued item). And, please, note that this test, like the NIJ test, was conducted outside the DOD acquisition process. So, now, the ball is back in the court of the Army, Marine Corps and congressional proponents of the Interceptor system. Let's see what the response is from James Zhang, Steve Pinter, and Karl Masters and their co-conspirators. These three are principal cogs of the corrupt, dysfunctional acquisition process that continue to tell the parents of America's Grunts that our stout-hearted lads and lasses are being issued the "best-available" body armor, in the face of increasingly (and increasingly credible) evidence that such claims are just more E-ring spin. (Known in other, more traditional circles as bald-faced lies.) -- Stay tuned. More revelations are should be soon forthcoming that will provide even more definitive data that young Americans are dying while wearing second-rate body armor, when better is available.
SFTT President Roger Charles is an Annapolis graduate, a retired USMC Lt. Col. who commanded an infantry platoon in I Corps during the Vietnam War, is the winner of the prestigious Peabody Award for news coverage, and was a protégée's of the late Col. David H. Hackworth. Rog can be contacted at email@example.com. Please send comments to DWFeedback@yahoo.com.
|10-28-2006, 07:36 AM||#2|
Lost In Space
Join Date: Apr 2004
There are two thing in play here 1. It the Federal acquisition process. Where you need factor in both technical quality and ability to procure and cost. While the Dragon Armor might be better technical we don't know cost difference is. 2. that body armour and other stuff that helps "grunts"; isn't a sexy item and often gets shorted compared to major aquication items. In the Pentagon you want to get promoted you want to be associated with buying something like a new tank or aircraft. Those things are sexy and have a lot public and privatie horsepower to get the funding for them in Congress.
It not fair by it is how the system works.
|10-28-2006, 09:20 AM||#3|
Join Date: May 2006