Did hear something interesting on D.C Sports talk the other day - The Orange Mane

Northman · 10-24-2006, 07:02 PM

I was listening to the Sportswriters in D.C and they were talking about the draft pick that Denver has with Washington. I originally thought ( reading some of your posts here ) that if Washington did lousy that we would still not get a great draft pick. Maybe i read that wrong somewhere if so i apologize. But, listening to these guys they said that if Washington tanked and Denver did real well that Denver had the OPTION to trade picks. So if Denver wound up 32 and Washington somewhere in the top 5 Denver could use their pick to trade with Washington. Am i clear on that? Or am i still misunderstanding how that is going to work?

Atwater His Ass · 10-24-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

I was listening to the Sportswriters in D.C and they were talking about the draft pick that Denver has with Washington. I originally thought ( reading some of your posts here ) that if Washington did lousy that we would still not get a great draft pick. Maybe i read that wrong somewhere if so i apologize. But, listening to these guys they said that if Washington tanked and Denver did real well that Denver had the OPTION to trade picks. So if Denver wound up 32 and Washington somewhere in the top 5 Denver could use their pick to trade with Washington. Am i clear on that? Or am i still misunderstanding how that is going to work?

I belive the highest 1st rounder we could get would be in the 22 range regardless of anything else.

Northman · 10-24-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

I belive the highest 1st rounder we could get would be in the 22 range regardless of anything else.

Hmmm, see that isnt the way these guys were making it sound. Because they were bashing the Washington front office for doing that with the picks and leaving nothing for team to work with in the future.

Atwater His Ass · 10-24-2006, 07:09 PM

I guess I should try to look the deal up, but I'm pretty sure if they finish with a pick higher than 22 or so, they get to keep it no matter what and give us some other compensation such as the 3rd rounder.

Circle Orange · 10-24-2006, 07:18 PM

Mid high rounds is as high as they can go, I think. But when the draft comes around don't be shocked if Denver trades down to the second round if they can get better value there (with another team, not the Skins).

MechanicalBull · 10-24-2006, 07:30 PM

This trade has a lot of mumbo jumbo details so I don't think anyone knows what will happen until the end of the season. It seems like it will equal out to be a 3rd round pick. Sounds like we only swap First is both are in the 20s-30s. So if Washington ends up like 4-12 then we would get a very high 3rd.

-Slap- · 10-24-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Hmmm, see that isnt the way these guys were making it sound. Because they were bashing the Washington front office for doing that with the picks and leaving nothing for team to work with in the future.

We'll only swap number ones if both teams are in the playoffs and Washington's pick is lower. Washington went on a winning streak about this time last year, so I'm not writing them off yet, but it looks like they'll miss the post season. In that case, I believe we get their 3rd rounder in 07 and their 4th rounder in 08.

watermock · 10-24-2006, 07:36 PM

It's 20 from what I understand. My guess is we could swap picks if that happened and probably lose our 4th on 08.

I think we will wind up with a 3rd 07 and 4th in 08. Stupid douchebag Lilly. I hope he enjoys watching Alge Crumpler catch TD's. What a name. Algae Crumpler. A misnomer. How do you crunch Algae? Algae Squisher?

elsid13 · 10-24-2006, 07:43 PM

More interesting piece of converision on John Thompson show with Doc Walker (ex-skin) was the discussion about Portis, and how he lost a step due to the hits he taken over the years. That his body his starting is taking longer to recover and how he can seem have trouble going back to back series right now.

plummershelper · 10-24-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by watermock

It's 20 from what I understand. My guess is we could swap picks if that happened and probably lose our 4th on 08.

I think we will wind up with a 3rd 07 and 4th in 08. Stupid douchebag Lilly. I hope he enjoys watching Alge Crumpler catch TD's. What a name. Algae Crumpler. A misnomer. How do you crunch Algae? Algae Squisher?

It's short for Algernon, someone get that man some flowers.

Barry Ramey · 10-24-2006, 08:14 PM

The Broncos will get a decent pick in any case, which is not bad for a guy who isn't starting on his new team and isn't really making a big difference either. And I'm glad the Broncos did not spend a ton of money on Abraham either.

Clockwork Orange · 10-24-2006, 08:18 PM

If the Redskins finish poorly enough and the 3rd rounder is high enough (I'm not sure how high it would have to be) there won't be a 4th rounder next year. The specifics of the deal are fuzzy.

I just remember the Broncos saying that the compensation for Lelie was the equivalent of a high 3rd rounder.

Taco John · 10-24-2006, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Hmmm, see that isnt the way these guys were making it sound. Because they were bashing the Washington front office for doing that with the picks and leaving nothing for team to work with in the future.

Those guys don't know what they're talking about.

Slap stated it correctly in this thread.

Clockwork Orange · 10-24-2006, 08:20 PM

They should have been bashing the Redskins front office for trading the equivalent of a high 3rd rounder for a guy who's spent 98% of the season rusting on the bench.

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-24-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

If the Redskins finish poorly enough and the 3rd rounder is high enough (I'm not sure how high it would have to be) there won't be a 4th rounder next year. The specifics of the deal are fuzzy.

I just remember the Broncos saying that the compensation for Lelie was the equivalent of a high 3rd rounder.

Sundquist has also said both teams took risks in the trade. If the Skins were to win the Super Bowl, the 96th and a future 4th aren't going to equal a high 3rd. Where's the risk for the Skins if they suck? I still think it's a 3rd and a future 4th regardless of where they finish if they miss the playoffs.

Clockwork Orange · 10-24-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

Sundquist has also said both teams took risks in the trade. If the Skins were to win the Super Bowl, the 96th and a future 4th aren't going to equal a high 3rd. Where's the risk for the Skins if they suck? I still think it's a 3rd and a future 4th regardless of where they finish if they miss the playoffs.

You could very well be right. I was just going on the statement that Shanahan made that the Broncos wanted a high 3rd rounder for Lelie and that's what they got for him.

baja · 10-24-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by elsid13

More interesting piece of converision on John Thompson show with Doc Walker (ex-skin) was the discussion about Portis, and how he lost a step due to the hits he taken over the years. That his body his starting is taking longer to recover and how he can seem have trouble going back to back series right now.

This is exactly what I said would happen with Portis when we were arguing the wisdom of the champ trade. now it looks like T Bell is improving and CP is in fact wearing out.

DeusExManning · 10-24-2006, 09:39 PM

Supposedly there are like 300 different scenarios and yes we do have the option to trade up for their first by giving up some of our picks. It will be based on the draft value on the chart.

ScottXray · 10-24-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by plummershelper

It's short for Algernon, someone get that man some flowers.

I loved that story...wasn't it Ray Bradbury?..damn..can't remember...
Great story..I wonder if Crumpler has read it?

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-27-2006, 01:42 PM

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4557264

3rd and future 4th if they miss the playoffs

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Lelie trade update

If the season ended today, the Redskins, who are tied for the NFL's 25th-best record at 2-5, would have to surrender their third-round pick in the 2007 draft and fourth-round pick in 2008 to the Broncos, who are tied for the third-best mark.

Not bad compensation for receiver Ashley Lelie, who has only 12 catches and no touchdowns in six games for the Atlanta Falcons.

The Redskins and Broncos were part of a three-team, preseason swap that sent Lelie from Denver to Atlanta and running back T.J. Duckett from the Falcons to Washington.

Duckett has only five carries and 24 yards for Washington.

Clockwork Orange · 10-27-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4557264

3rd and future 4th if they miss the playoffs

Nice.

TheDave · 10-27-2006, 02:21 PM

Just a little tidbit from our friends over at extremeskins.com.....

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/s...7&postcount=29

Clockwork Orange · 10-27-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Just a little tidbit from our friends over at extremeskins.com.....

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/s...7&postcount=29

I'm sure he was shouted down shortly after he posted that with screams of, "We won those trades!"

Hercules Rockefeller · 10-27-2006, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I'm sure he was shouted down shortly after he posted that with screams of, "We won those trades!"

There's a new thread today about all their draft trades. One person has already declared that they won the Portis trade, and the other two trades are too early to tell.

Clockwork Orange · 10-27-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

There's a new thread today about all their draft trades. One person has already declared that they won the Portis trade, and the other two trades are too early to tell.

I don't even want to know the line of reasoning that goes into claiming that the Redskins won the Portis trade. It has to be borderline dementia at best.

10-24-2006, 07:02 PM	#1
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	Did hear something interesting on D.C Sports talk the other day I was listening to the Sportswriters in D.C and they were talking about the draft pick that Denver has with Washington. I originally thought ( reading some of your posts here ) that if Washington did lousy that we would still not get a great draft pick. Maybe i read that wrong somewhere if so i apologize. But, listening to these guys they said that if Washington tanked and Denver did real well that Denver had the OPTION to trade picks. So if Denver wound up 32 and Washington somewhere in the top 5 Denver could use their pick to trade with Washington. Am i clear on that? Or am i still misunderstanding how that is going to work?

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10-24-2006, 07:09 PM	#4
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I guess I should try to look the deal up, but I'm pretty sure if they finish with a pick higher than 22 or so, they get to keep it no matter what and give us some other compensation such as the 3rd rounder.

10-24-2006, 07:18 PM	#5
Circle Orange SPOT ON. Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Styxx, D.C. Posts: 3,956	Mid high rounds is as high as they can go, I think. But when the draft comes around don't be shocked if Denver trades down to the second round if they can get better value there (with another team, not the Skins).

10-24-2006, 07:30 PM	#6
MechanicalBull Interesting Times Ahead Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,825	This trade has a lot of mumbo jumbo details so I don't think anyone knows what will happen until the end of the season. It seems like it will equal out to be a 3rd round pick. Sounds like we only swap First is both are in the 20s-30s. So if Washington ends up like 4-12 then we would get a very high 3rd.

10-24-2006, 07:36 PM	#8
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	It's 20 from what I understand. My guess is we could swap picks if that happened and probably lose our 4th on 08. I think we will wind up with a 3rd 07 and 4th in 08. Stupid douchebag Lilly. I hope he enjoys watching Alge Crumpler catch TD's. What a name. Algae Crumpler. A misnomer. How do you crunch Algae? Algae Squisher?

10-24-2006, 07:43 PM	#9
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,081	More interesting piece of converision on John Thompson show with Doc Walker (ex-skin) was the discussion about Portis, and how he lost a step due to the hits he taken over the years. That his body his starting is taking longer to recover and how he can seem have trouble going back to back series right now.

10-24-2006, 08:14 PM	#11
Barry Ramey Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,700	The Broncos will get a decent pick in any case, which is not bad for a guy who isn't starting on his new team and isn't really making a big difference either. And I'm glad the Broncos did not spend a ton of money on Abraham either.

10-24-2006, 08:18 PM	#12
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	If the Redskins finish poorly enough and the 3rd rounder is high enough (I'm not sure how high it would have to be) there won't be a 4th rounder next year. The specifics of the deal are fuzzy. I just remember the Broncos saying that the compensation for Lelie was the equivalent of a high 3rd rounder.

10-24-2006, 08:20 PM	#14
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	They should have been bashing the Redskins front office for trading the equivalent of a high 3rd rounder for a guy who's spent 98% of the season rusting on the bench.

10-24-2006, 09:39 PM	#18
DeusExManning Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orange County Posts: 1,336	Supposedly there are like 300 different scenarios and yes we do have the option to trade up for their first by giving up some of our picks. It will be based on the draft value on the chart.

10-27-2006, 02:21 PM	#22
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Just a little tidbit from our friends over at extremeskins.com..... http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/s...7&postcount=29