Dumervil - A Good Pick? - The Orange Mane

epicSocialism4tw · 10-22-2006, 04:11 PM

3 sacks, 1 fumble recovery. 5 sacks on the season.

Cosmo · 10-22-2006, 04:15 PM

A Good Question? lol

-Slap- · 10-22-2006, 04:18 PM

My adopted kid has made me very proud.

I'm normally resistant to undersized players in the front seven, but Elvis' production throughout high school and college was just too consistently spectacular to ignore.

Barry Ramey · 10-22-2006, 04:24 PM

I liked the pick at the time since I didn't think his size would matter since he figured to be part of the rotation and not playing most of the snaps, so wouldn't likely wear down. And that's how they're using him.

-Slap- · 10-22-2006, 04:31 PM

He did wear down last year, though. He was absolutely unreal in the first five games and then he slowed down considerably. I thought that was why we held him back a little bit this year.

Clockwork Orange · 10-22-2006, 04:39 PM

In the meantime, did anyone see the monster day that John Abraham had today?

Of course you didn't, he was inactive for the fourth time this season.

-Slap- · 10-22-2006, 04:46 PM

Well, that's okay, John is only making 50 times more money than Elvis.

Headless Hessian Rider · 10-22-2006, 04:47 PM

he's my adopted Bronco

-Slap- · 10-22-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Headless Hessian Rider

he's my adopted Bronco

Hessians stole my baby!

Clockwork Orange · 10-22-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Hessians stole my baby!

"Gimme back my son!!"

listopencil · 10-22-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

He did wear down last year, though. He was absolutely unreal in the first five games and then he slowed down considerably. I thought that was why we held him back a little bit this year.

You mean in college?

BroncoBuff · 10-22-2006, 05:19 PM

It's great to see this - we've needed this SO badly.

Ever since we lost Bertie Berry (who had 3 sacks and 2 FF today against Leinart)

Kaylore · 10-22-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

My adopted kid has made me very proud.

I'm normally resistant to undersized players

You could probably have finished your sentence right there.

-Slap- · 10-22-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

You mean in college?

Yes. If I'm not mistaken, he had 15 of his 20 sacks in the first five games.

listopencil · 10-22-2006, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Yes. If I'm not mistaken, he had 15 of his 20 sacks in the first five games.

The only thing I know about his college career is that I think he's the guy Marcus Vick stepped on. Was Elvis a starter or a rotational guy?

Clockwork Orange · 10-22-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

The only thing I know about his college career is that I think he's the guy Marcus Vick stepped on. Was Elvis a starter or a rotational guy?

He was the guy who Little Mexico stomped on and he was a starter for Louisville.

-Slap- · 10-22-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

The only thing I know about his college career is that I think he's the guy Marcus Vick stepped on. Was Elvis a starter or a rotational guy?

He played every down.

In 2005, he had 63 tackles, 23 for loss, 20 sacks, and an NCAA record 11 forced fumbles. Dumervil won the Big East Defensive Player of the Year Award, Hendricks Award (Best DE), Nagurski (Best defensive player in the nation), and was named to everybody's All-American lists.

You can't rack up tackle numbers like that as a rotation guy.

listopencil · 10-22-2006, 05:41 PM

I found some stuff from a few webpages. Surprisingly, I found this in a Wikipedia entry:

Elvis Dumervil (born January 19, 1984, Miami, Florida) is a National Football League defensive end for the Denver Broncos. He was rated among the top 25 defensive ends by most publications coming out of Miami Jackson High School, where he had a school record 78 career sacks. His college career began slowly as a modest contributor during his first two seasons at the University of Louisville; he tallied just 28 tackles and two sacks. John L. Smith's staff had planned on redshirting him during the 2002 season, but injuries and a lackluster performance by the defensive line forced him into the rotation.

He emerged during the 2004 season as a junior, getting 10 sacks and 11 tackles for a loss. His 2005 season was one of the best for a defensive end in both NCAA and school history, when he broke the NCAA single-game sack record (6) in vs in state rival Kentucky, and went on tie the NCAA total for sacks in a single season (20) and break the NCAA record for forced fumbles. His sack total also broke the Big East record set by Dwight Freeney, who was one of Elvis' favorite players growing up. He won several awards for the 2005 season, including the Bronko Nagurski Trophy, the Ted Hendricks Award, Big East player of the year, and first team All-American.
In the 2006 Gator Bowl, Virginia Tech quarterback Marcus Vick stomped on the back of Dumervil's leg after a whistle. While no penalty was called, the backlash from this play (in combination with a misdemeanor charge for driving with a suspended license) led to Vick's permanent dismissal from the Virginia Tech football team.

Despite his 2005 season and comparisons to fellow Miami native Dwight Freeney, Dumervil went on the second day of the NFL draft due to concerns about his small size (5'11"; 258lbs), and the fact that he went sackless in his final three games, which may have been largely due to being constantly doubled teamed, but was perceived by some as a sign of fatigue. Some teams also considered moving him to linebacker or only using him in pass rushing situations. Dumervil was drafted in the fourth round of the 2006 NFL Draft by the Denver Broncos. Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has stated that he plans to keep Dumervil at defensive end^[1].

He was named Elvis because his mother was an Elvis Presley fan, although he dislikes the name and prefers to go by the nickname "Cool". When media ask him if he is an Elvis fan, he typically responds by saying, "I figured you would ask that question." His half brother, Curry Burns, also played at the University of Louisville.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Dumervil

chrisp · 10-22-2006, 05:48 PM

From everything I've read about Dumervil, the ONLY thing that kept him out of round 1-2 in the draft was his height - NOT, I might add, his weight which is hardly any less than the likes of jason Taylor and John Abraham.

The height is considered a problem becuase it means less wingspan, but apparently Dumervil has freakishly long arms for a short guy, so isn't really disadvantaged in that area....after all, you don't need to see over the tackle, you just need to get around him!

Being a short-arse myself, I love to see the little guys confound the critics, so here's to hoping this great start to his career is a sign he's the next Sam Mills...I think its safe to say he won't be know for batting balls down at the line of scrimmage, however.....

DrFate · 10-22-2006, 05:49 PM

I know that SoCal was down on the Dummervil pick - many others were pleased. He is one-dimensional, but as a 4th round pick - good value.

SpringStein · 10-22-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

Ever since we lost Bertie Berry (who had 3 sacks and 2 FF today against Leinart)

Now that would be interesting. Did those sacks and forced fumbles happen in the locker room or on the sideline?

Clockwork Orange · 10-22-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DrFate

He is one-dimensional, but as a 4th round pick - good value.

Fortunately for us, that one dimension is the one that our defense has been missing.

eddie mac · 10-22-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

It's great to see this - we've needed this SO badly.

Ever since we lost Bertie Berry (who had 3 sacks and 2 FF today against Leinart)

Any wonder they lost then.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 10-22-2006, 06:30 PM

Congrats to Elvis. I was a doubter and I still don't see him as an every down player, but as a designated pash rusher he is doing very well. Hope he and Preditor put Manning on his ass a dozen times next week.

DeuceOfClub · 10-22-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

It's great to see this - we've needed this SO badly.

Ever since we lost Bertie Berry (who had 3 sacks and 2 FF today against Leinart)

10-22-2006, 04:11 PM	#1
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Dumervil - A Good Pick? 3 sacks, 1 fumble recovery. 5 sacks on the season.

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10-22-2006, 04:15 PM	#2
Cosmo Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Greeley Colorado!!! Posts: 957	A Good Question? lol

10-22-2006, 04:18 PM	#3
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	My adopted kid has made me very proud. I'm normally resistant to undersized players in the front seven, but Elvis' production throughout high school and college was just too consistently spectacular to ignore.

10-22-2006, 04:24 PM	#4
Barry Ramey Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,700	I liked the pick at the time since I didn't think his size would matter since he figured to be part of the rotation and not playing most of the snaps, so wouldn't likely wear down. And that's how they're using him.

10-22-2006, 04:31 PM	#5
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	He did wear down last year, though. He was absolutely unreal in the first five games and then he slowed down considerably. I thought that was why we held him back a little bit this year.

10-22-2006, 04:39 PM	#6
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	In the meantime, did anyone see the monster day that John Abraham had today? Of course you didn't, he was inactive for the fourth time this season.

10-22-2006, 04:46 PM	#7
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Well, that's okay, John is only making 50 times more money than Elvis.

10-22-2006, 04:47 PM	#8
Headless Hessian Rider SB is only for old QB's ! Prediction SB win within 3 years!!! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 342 Adopt-a-Bronco: 'sack' dumervil	he's my adopted Bronco

10-22-2006, 05:19 PM	#12
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,435 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	It's great to see this - we've needed this SO badly. Ever since we lost Bertie Berry (who had 3 sacks and 2 FF today against Leinart)

10-22-2006, 05:41 PM	#18
listopencil [sarcasm]text[/sarcasm] BOOM! Winner. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The People's Republic Of California Posts: 8,580 Adopt-a-Bronco: Broncos FO	I found some stuff from a few webpages. Surprisingly, I found this in a Wikipedia entry: Elvis Dumervil (born January 19, 1984, Miami, Florida) is a National Football League defensive end for the Denver Broncos. He was rated among the top 25 defensive ends by most publications coming out of Miami Jackson High School, where he had a school record 78 career sacks. His college career began slowly as a modest contributor during his first two seasons at the University of Louisville; he tallied just 28 tackles and two sacks. John L. Smith's staff had planned on redshirting him during the 2002 season, but injuries and a lackluster performance by the defensive line forced him into the rotation. He emerged during the 2004 season as a junior, getting 10 sacks and 11 tackles for a loss. His 2005 season was one of the best for a defensive end in both NCAA and school history, when he broke the NCAA single-game sack record (6) in vs in state rival Kentucky, and went on tie the NCAA total for sacks in a single season (20) and break the NCAA record for forced fumbles. His sack total also broke the Big East record set by Dwight Freeney, who was one of Elvis' favorite players growing up. He won several awards for the 2005 season, including the Bronko Nagurski Trophy, the Ted Hendricks Award, Big East player of the year, and first team All-American. In the 2006 Gator Bowl, Virginia Tech quarterback Marcus Vick stomped on the back of Dumervil's leg after a whistle. While no penalty was called, the backlash from this play (in combination with a misdemeanor charge for driving with a suspended license) led to Vick's permanent dismissal from the Virginia Tech football team. Despite his 2005 season and comparisons to fellow Miami native Dwight Freeney, Dumervil went on the second day of the NFL draft due to concerns about his small size (5'11"; 258lbs), and the fact that he went sackless in his final three games, which may have been largely due to being constantly doubled teamed, but was perceived by some as a sign of fatigue. Some teams also considered moving him to linebacker or only using him in pass rushing situations. Dumervil was drafted in the fourth round of the 2006 NFL Draft by the Denver Broncos. Broncos coach Mike Shanahan has stated that he plans to keep Dumervil at defensive end^[1]. He was named Elvis because his mother was an Elvis Presley fan, although he dislikes the name and prefers to go by the nickname "Cool". When media ask him if he is an Elvis fan, he typically responds by saying, "I figured you would ask that question." His half brother, Curry Burns, also played at the University of Louisville. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Dumervil

10-22-2006, 05:48 PM	#19
chrisp Friend of the unsung Not into the football......yet Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 1,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Danny Trevathan	From everything I've read about Dumervil, the ONLY thing that kept him out of round 1-2 in the draft was his height - NOT, I might add, his weight which is hardly any less than the likes of jason Taylor and John Abraham. The height is considered a problem becuase it means less wingspan, but apparently Dumervil has freakishly long arms for a short guy, so isn't really disadvantaged in that area....after all, you don't need to see over the tackle, you just need to get around him! Being a short-arse myself, I love to see the little guys confound the critics, so here's to hoping this great start to his career is a sign he's the next Sam Mills...I think its safe to say he won't be know for batting balls down at the line of scrimmage, however.....

10-22-2006, 05:49 PM	#20
DrFate Lord of Order Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tower of Fate Posts: 4,388	I know that SoCal was down on the Dummervil pick - many others were pleased. He is one-dimensional, but as a 4th round pick - good value.

10-22-2006, 06:30 PM	#24
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Congrats to Elvis. I was a doubter and I still don't see him as an every down player, but as a designated pash rusher he is doing very well. Hope he and Preditor put Manning on his ass a dozen times next week.