Thread for people who are enjoying the win but still want Plummer benched.

[gadlaw]

Originally Posted by Rascal

I stole this from a guy named SSOG:

Pop quiz... name the only NFL team to win its last 4 games by double-digits.
Answer: Denver.

Okay, that was an easy one. Name the only other NFL team to win its last THREE games by double-digits.
Answer: New England.

And what happened to New England 4 weeks ago? That's right, they lost to Denver by double digits (in New England, I might add).

Okay, another question. How many teams, besides Denver and New England, have even managed to win TWO straight by 10+?
Answer: None.

How many teams, besides Denver and New England, have managed to win two straight games by even SEVEN points?
Answer: Minnesota, and that's it.

The moral of this story? While this certainly isn't the Denver offense we've all grown accustomed to, it hasn't made one bit of difference. No team other than Denver has been as consistantly dominant this season. Your other contenders are teams such as Indy (beat Tenn by 1 point on a last-second comeback), New England (lost to Denver, but has been rolling since), Philly (lost to Tampa Bay), San Diego (lost to KC), and Chicago (miracle MNF comeback against the team that just got rolled by Oakland). Would I love for Denver to hang 50 on someone at some point? Absolutely. But I'm not beating myself up over the fact that they haven't yet. Keep winning by 10, and I'll keep on managing to find something to smile about.

And I was worried that everyone had gone completely crazy. We do need more points, I saw the coaches trying to work on that in the first half against Cleveland with more passes and rollouts. What worried me was seeing those planned rollouts picked up so easily by the defense, Jake would go out there and there'd be a Brown in his face immediately. It looks like defenses are ready for what the Broncos try to do, Broncs need to change their looks a bit, the Bells need to pop a few early in the next game to take the pressure off the pass a bit as well.

[baja]

Originally Posted by fontaine

This is the way I see it too.

Mike Shanahan IS NOT going to bench Plummer on the basis of his poor play. Plummer has already turned the ball over like 13 times in just six games so far.

If Mike was going to bench Plummer he would have done it before.

The ONLY thing Plummer has going for him is Cutler inexperience and that Jake does have the respect and support of his team mates. His 2nd interception pretty much destroyed that great TD streak our defense had going so sooner or later with plays like that he IS going to alienate his team mates and most vocal supporters like Rod/Lynch.

When that happens, Shanahan will start Cutler because he can't afford to screw with team chemistry and send the wrong signal to his players by inserting a rookie QB while we're still winning and the team leaders believe in Jake. But I see that support eroding away when Jake does things like throw that int just seconds after Champ made that great defensive play in the red zone. That kind of crap raises questions among even the most senior and most patient players in the locker room.

Mike has his finger on the pulse of this team and when he suspects that Jake is losing command of the huddle and respect from his team mates, that's when Jake forces Mike to go to the rookie.

At least that's the way I see it.

Certainly Mike will take under consideration the locker room temperature relative to the QB position but Mike will let his mantra be the overriding point when it comes to who plays," I will always put the 11 players on the field that gives us the best chance to win".

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by baja fan

Certainly Mike will take under consideration the locker room temperature relative to the QB position but Mike will let his mantra be the overriding point when it comes to who plays," I will always put the 11 players on the field that gives us the best chance to win".

Is that why Ruben Droughns was languishing on the bench when Q was stinking it up?

Or why it took injuries etc for Elvis Dumvervil to be declared active and get his 5 sacks in two games? It must have been ST, yeah, Elvis doesn't play ST so he must not give us the best chance to win even though he's got 5 sacks in two games?

Or why Lenny Walls started ahead of Fox/Dwill even though he stunk and we finally had to drop in down the depth charts when he was giving up TDs?

Must have been also why there was no clear cut starter between Bell at the early part of the season?

Save the Party Line for someone else. Mike hates unkowns and Cutler is an unkown to a certain extent but to say Jake gives us a better chance to win after his crapy play so far is ludicrous.

[Taco John]

Anyone remember the play where Jake stepped up in the pocket, pump-faked, and then ran backwards out of the pocket before he got rid of it? I think he threw it away after that. My dad and I were dumbfounded.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

the running game not being the same is why Jake sucks.

We are 5th in the NFL in rushing."

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The running game is not fooling the defense enough for the boots

You mean like the duck he threw to Javon vs the Raiders, or the one where he hit Chavous right between the numbers in Stl? Or the one where he threw way over a WIDE OPEN TE, and nearly hit Russell for another idiotic INT.

How many rushing yards have been lost due to terrible Jake Plummer interceptions?

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Look into your crystal ball

That's not an answer. Why are you afraid to answer Garcia. You say the running game isn't what it used to be, I say Jake's int's have killed 4 drives that could've yeilded at least another 60 yards rushing putting Tatum as the #2 RB in the NFL. Don't be scared, don't be a coward. Answer.

How many points that the D has given up have been the direct result of Jake turnovers? 13 of the 43 the D has given up.

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Jake isn't the only guy who has caused turnovers that have led to points.

Oh, so that makes it ok for him to throw idiotic interceptions, because Tatum has fumbled, it makes it excusable for Jake to implode. Truly a pathetic excuse Garcia. Very logical.

Your reasoning for keeping Jake in there is that "a rookie will struggle, pure and simple, even Elway struggled. Did Elway have the 5th leading running game, 4.7 YPC? Did Elway have the best D in the NFL? It was solid, but not like this. Did Elway have a HOF WR teamed with an ALL-Pro WR? Did Elway have Shanahan or Reeves calling the plays?

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

The evidence is overwhelming on rookie QB's. They struggle. The best you could hope for is a Rothlisberger type season...and there is no gurantee that will happen.

Jake Plummer is struggling. Jake Plummer is playing worse than I would ever expect a Rookie too. The best I could hope for is a Big Ben type season, well that is alot better than wtf Jake is doing. ERRRRRRRRR

You really got me there Garcia.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12409

Look at that guys rookie stats. I'd take those over Jake Plummer 2k6. And Jake is a freaking 10 year vet, a 4 year vet of our offense!!!

Unbelievable.

[gadlaw]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Is that why Ruben Droughns was languishing on the bench when Q was stinking it up?

Or why it took injuries etc for Elvis Dumvervil to be declared active and get his 5 sacks in two games? It must have been ST, yeah, Elvis doesn't play ST so he must not give us the best chance to win even though he's got 5 sacks in two games?

Or why Lenny Walls started ahead of Fox/Dwill even though he stunk and we finally had to drop in down the depth charts when he was giving up TDs?

Must have been also why there was no clear cut starter between Bell at the early part of the season?

Save the Party Line for someone else. Mike hates unkowns and Cutler is an unkown to a certain extent but to say Jake gives us a better chance to win after his crapy play so far is ludicrous.

I like the Party Line. There's no need to 'save it' for someone else since your opinion is as good as anyone else's opinion. Call me crazy but I think you're right Baja Fan and that Shanahan is going to put the team on the field that gives the team the best chance to win today. Shanahan sees the players every day and has a team of coaches as well to see what he doesn't see. Cutler isn't a complete unknown to Shanahan, he drafted him in the first place and he apparently thinks that throwing a complete rookie out there when his team is 5-1 isn't a good idea. Go figure. Why oh why won't Shanahan listen to all this forum wisdom is beyond me.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Anyone remember the play where Jake stepped up in the pocket, pump-faked, and then ran backwards out of the pocket before he got rid of it? I think he threw it away after that. My dad and I were dumbfounded.

He scrambled for a first down on a play that sounds just like that. It was a smart play. I was high fiving.

[baja]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Is that why Ruben Droughns was languishing on the bench when Q was stinking it up?

Or why it took injuries etc for Elvis Dumvervil to be declared active and get his 5 sacks in two games? It must have been ST, yeah, Elvis doesn't play ST so he must not give us the best chance to win even though he's got 5 sacks in two games?

Or why Lenny Walls started ahead of Fox/Dwill even though he stunk and we finally had to drop in down the depth charts when he was giving up TDs?

Must have been also why there was no clear cut starter between Bell at the early part of the season?

Save the Party Line for someone else. Mike hates unkowns and Cutler is an unkown to a certain extent but to say Jake gives us a better chance to win after his crapy play so far is ludicrous.

HEY! You have read my posts every day for years now surely you know I am far from a party line guy. I was the second one after TJ to call for Cutler to start. I never said in the post you are referring to I agreed with Mike just that he will start who HE believes are the best 11 player and not the convoluted scenarios you proposed.

[BroncoInSkinland]

5-1 congrats to everyone. I hope you get what you need to be happy with our team, in the present and the future.

[Meck77]

I hope Jake continues to "Suck" and the Broncos keep on winning. These melt down threads make me laugh....I hope we "Struggle" all the way to home field advantage in the playoffs!


Go Broncos!

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Meck77

I hope Jake continues to "Suck" and the Broncos keep on winning. These melt down threads make me laugh....I hope we "Struggle" all the way to home field advantage in the playoffs!


Go Broncos!

good to see not everyone has lost their fvkkkin mind.

its so utterly pathetic reading all this crap on the front page that im just gonna go to another board for awhile.
all this is anymore is irritating.

go broncos indeed.

we're 5-1, and we're winning games by double digit scores.
i dont care if its 10-0 or 30-20, im gonna be happy either way, and frankly, 10-0 is more encouraging since a lights out defense is what wins championships.

whatever.
we're 5-1, but the sky is falling and we should put in a rookie qb.
yeah, okay guys great idea.

here's to everyone else that is just enjoying being in 1st place and looking forward to sundays big game.
kudo's to you.

jake

[-Slap-]

Plummer sucks rat****.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

good to see not everyone has lost their fvkkkin mind.
its so utterly pathetic reading all this crap on the front page that im just gonna go to another board for awhile.

Don't let the door hit you in your ass on the way out, say hi to Alec.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

im gonna be happy either way, and frankly, 10-0 is more encouraging since a lights out defense is what wins championships.

We gave up 24 points to the Packers in SB 32. That defense is the first to ever win a Super Bowl while being last in the NFL in Yards Per Carry given up.

The next years defense was awful against the pass, but top 5 vs the run.

But since you are so sure that a 10-0 wins are more encouraging that 30-20 wins, tell us what happened to the Broncos the last time they led the NFL in points given up and went to the Super Bowl?

[kamakazi_kal]

i think we could get the same production (17pts per game) with cutler in the line up ............. im tired of watching jake lob the ball up for grabs, put a little frickn heat on the ball plummer, if not for our WR's out fighting DB's for the ball this last sunday plummer may have had 5 picks and at least 2 were just plain dropped by the browns......... i would be happy just to see jake throw the damn ball away when he gets in trouble

dude has as many ints. (7) through 6 games as he did all last year and i can see another jake playoff implosion in our future

like i said in another thread i wouldnt at all be suprised to see pro bowl jake show his head this week, dude just folds up againt teams we should be running over and shows up for games he should struggle

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

its so utterly pathetic reading all this crap on the front page that im just gonna go to another board for awhile.
all this is anymore is irritating.

go broncos indeed.

Good luck finding a Broncos board that isn't talking about benching Plummer.

That's just the reality of playing bad. When you drag your team down, people want to bench you. Thankfully, our team is good enough to absorb Plummer's poor play and manage wins out of it. For that, I'm extremely thrilled and optimistic for our long term chances. But there's no point in keeping a player who isn't performing in a starting role when we've got the future of our team ready to roll.

[ludo21]

Originally Posted by Meck77

I hope Jake continues to "Suck" and the Broncos keep on winning. These melt down threads make me laugh....I hope we "Struggle" all the way to home field advantage in the playoffs!


Go Broncos!

Agreed.

And i agree with TJ here O4L, good luck finding a board about NOT benching Plummer, he is playing horrid, and it is worth discussing.

But as long as he keeps making enough plays to win games for us when it counts, ill ride Jake till he is benched.

[watermock]

Are you completely blind Orange 4 Life?

Your like the woman that claims that her car has been hit by a meteor a second time and says it straight faced.

Your more than welcome to try to find Jake's passing rating on NFL.com's stat board without actually pulling up his actual player page.

He had a 51.8 rating Sunday. That isn't hating, it's stone cold FACT.

He has a 60.4 rating.

You could see Shanahan seething with a fake smile today. So whatever. Jay fought thru the SEC for 4 years. Shanahan said it's now on a week to week thing.

[watermock]

Meck, your smart enough to see Jake playing horrific.

Jake is 4-7 ints. 60.4. It's not imaginary bashing. We are on a pace to make the 2000 Ravens look like a juggernaut. Opposing teams best friend is our QB.

We had Cleveland at home.

[rbackfactory80]

Originally Posted by freak6

Why don't you take me on? Can any of you? I wouldn't be here if I didn't want to debate Jake vs Jay. But SRO and the rest of you have nothing to base you argument on, so you end up calling me a meanie for taking apart ignorant BS excuses that people keep vomitting up.

Dude ease up. You are acting like a complete tool on every thread with the same rant. I think we all know where you stand. You live in San Diego and are this angry. Take a walk over to Gaslamp, have a couple of beers and Chill the **** out, and get over the obsession you have for a Rookie QB that has never taken a snap. Its one thing to want Cutler in and another to treat any one with another opinion like idiots. And you are the " Democrat" more like a Dicktater to me, if you know what I am saying.

[rbackfactory80]

Originally Posted by freak6

Why don't you take me on? Can any of you? I wouldn't be here if I didn't want to debate Jake vs Jay. But SRO and the rest of you have nothing to base you argument on, so you end up calling me a meanie for taking apart ignorant BS excuses that people keep vomitting up.

Dude ease up. You are acting like a complete tool on every thread with the same rant. I think we all know where you stand. You live in San Diego and are this angry. Take a walk over to Gaslamp, have a couple of beers and Chill the **** out, and get over the obsession you have for a Rookie QB that has never taken a snap. Its one thing to want Cutler in and another to treat any one with another opinion like idiots. And you are the " Democrat" more like a Dicktator to me, if you know what I am saying.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Meck77

I hope Jake continues to "Suck" and the Broncos keep on winning. These melt down threads make me laugh....I hope we "Struggle" all the way to home field advantage in the playoffs!


Go Broncos!

For my part, I hope Jake doesn't continue to suck, and actually pulls himself together. Also, I'd rather not see us struggle to HFA, but get there with some authority. It would be nice for our guys to be confident going into the playoffs, rather than expecting another standard Plummer playoff outing.

[dbfan4life]

I can see O4L's point. There are no less that 5 bench Jake related threads on the front page and ironically no thread police yelling about using existing threads to post in. Jake has played poorly, not debating that. I'm not calling for the rookie, yet. You just don't change QB's on a winning team, especially with a very tough stretch coming up. Cutler may be the second coming but I would rather not have to find out now.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by Meck77

I hope Jake continues to "Suck" and the Broncos keep on winning. These melt down threads make me laugh....I hope we "Struggle" all the way to home field advantage in the playoffs!


Go Broncos!

You....have the stamina of a Bull. I've been waiting all season for Plummer to wake up this whole season.

Jake's head is not into the game. Jake is a par golfer. He's not Tiger Woods but he can keep up. Jake is a gambler. Right now no matter how you phrase it Jake doesn't have anything staked. He doesn't see the wins. He doesn't have his focus.

Jake needs to get pissed and put some pop on the ball. Jake needs to look to his future away from the Broncos and put up some good stuff instead of barely backup material.

How much of this is Dinger's fault. Kubiak goes and Jake goes stupid? How does that happen?

Sports writers aren't asking the right questions. They are talking on silly crap that the Mane already ripped apart three years ago.

I hope Jake sucks LESS. I'd like to see a Jake Lite. All the sloppy duck passes and none of the avoidable picks.

GO BRONCOS!!!!

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by dbfan4life

I can see O4L's point. There are no less that 5 bench Jake related threads on the front page and ironically no thread police yelling about using existing threads to post in. Jake has played poorly, not debating that. I'm not calling for the rookie, yet. You just don't change QB's on a winning team, especially with a very tough stretch coming up. Cutler may be the second coming but I would rather not have to find out now.

That's because Plummer's/the offense's performance is a topic people want to discuss. There are also five O-line-related threads on page one, primarily discussing Lepsis' injury and how to replace him while he undergoes surgery/rehab. Oh, and there are a couple of Merriman threads, too. Hey, look at the bright side... at least page one isn't inundated with Chefs threads today....