Thread for people who are enjoying the win but still want Plummer benched.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

The Titans held the Colts to 14 points but then again they have a much better D then we do.

I don't suppose the Colts took them for granted and brought their B game though right? If you think we'll beat them scoring 14 I think you're mistaken. We're not going to go this whole year holding teams to 7 points a game.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

I'd start Cutler even if it meant losing a couple games we should win because Jake's time has come and gone.

You know what, even if it meant the Broncos would lose a couple of games, it might not be a bad thing because the Broncos have stocked up on some wins so far. And the way the defense is playing, they can win games without the offense.

The defense and running game can get this team to the playoffs. By then Cutler could have enough starts to give the team something come playoff time.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

I don't suppose the Colts took them for granted and brought their B game though right? If you think we'll beat them scoring 14 I think you're mistaken. We're not going to go this whole year holding teams to 7 points a game.

That maybe but this isn't last years Colts. Today was the best I've seen them play in weeks.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by freak6

What I did is use facts to destroy Garcia's pathetic and desperate attempt to apologize for Jake Plummer play.

Einstien defined insane as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I didn't call anyone specifically a moron, just those that refuse to change course in a losing cause, ie the war in Iraq. But the Broncos are on a 5 game winning streak. If we were losing, then I would out and out call Mike Shanahan a moron.

But I will call ignorant people spouting off complete BS like Garcia did as evidence to support thier weak position stupid, because that is how they are representing themselves.

See post 124 Einstein.

So we are morons for refusing to change course when the Broncos are 5-1? Brilliant!!

[NFLBRONCO]

Originally Posted by Taco John

GREAT WIN! It's awesome to be in first place in the AFC West.

When are we going to bench Plummer?

We are winning so nothing will happen with Jake. If we lost 2 games in a row I could see Cutler playing.

[freak6]

We all saw what Cutler did to 3 1st string defenses with OUR SCRUBS.

What would he do with Javon, Rod, the first string running game, and a freak like this? Much better than our scared, happy footed, rag arm, that admits "I made some poor decisions towards the end of the game"...

[maven]

Jake sucks, but I'm glad the Broncos won.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by Rascal

See post 124 Einstein.

So we are morons for refusing to change course when the Broncos are 5-1? Brilliant!!

No, people that use BS excuses are morons. People that claim to be bigger fans than others who have a difference of opinion are morons. If you can back up what you are saying, I have no problem with that.

It's ok, the tide is turning. 6 games in with no change and finally the Plummer homers are waking up. Those of us that saw no change from last season to this season have every right to say "I told you so".

I didn't label anyone a moron until they started vomiting all over themselves and this board, like Popps, BMF, and Garcia did.

But if you wanna say "I think Plummer should start because Shanahan said so", amen. I happen to disagree for all the 100s of valid reasons I have posted. Your only reason is a record we have no thanks to Jake Plummer, who is responsible for at least 13 of the 43 points our defense has given up. Actually more, because his idiotic interceptions have cost us a bunch of points as well.

"I made some poor decision toward the end of the game"...

Every game outside of Mass.

[Rascal]

I stole this from a guy named SSOG:

Pop quiz... name the only NFL team to win its last 4 games by double-digits.
Answer: Denver.

Okay, that was an easy one. Name the only other NFL team to win its last THREE games by double-digits.
Answer: New England.

And what happened to New England 4 weeks ago? That's right, they lost to Denver by double digits (in New England, I might add).

Okay, another question. How many teams, besides Denver and New England, have even managed to win TWO straight by 10+?
Answer: None.

How many teams, besides Denver and New England, have managed to win two straight games by even SEVEN points?
Answer: Minnesota, and that's it.

The moral of this story? While this certainly isn't the Denver offense we've all grown accustomed to, it hasn't made one bit of difference. No team other than Denver has been as consistantly dominant this season. Your other contenders are teams such as Indy (beat Tenn by 1 point on a last-second comeback), New England (lost to Denver, but has been rolling since), Philly (lost to Tampa Bay), San Diego (lost to KC), and Chicago (miracle MNF comeback against the team that just got rolled by Oakland). Would I love for Denver to hang 50 on someone at some point? Absolutely. But I'm not beating myself up over the fact that they haven't yet. Keep winning by 10, and I'll keep on managing to find something to smile about.

[dbfan4life]

God, it sucks being 5-1.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Rascal

I stole this from a guy named SSOG:

Pop quiz... name the only NFL team to win its last 4 games by double-digits.
Answer: Denver.

Okay, that was an easy one. Name the only other NFL team to win its last THREE games by double-digits.
Answer: New England.

And what happened to New England 4 weeks ago? That's right, they lost to Denver by double digits (in New England, I might add).

Okay, another question. How many teams, besides Denver and New England, have even managed to win TWO straight by 10+?
Answer: None.

How many teams, besides Denver and New England, have managed to win two straight games by even SEVEN points?
Answer: Minnesota, and that's it.

The moral of this story? While this certainly isn't the Denver offense we've all grown accustomed to, it hasn't made one bit of difference. No team other than Denver has been as consistantly dominant this season. Your other contenders are teams such as Indy (beat Tenn by 1 point on a last-second comeback), New England (lost to Denver, but has been rolling since), Philly (lost to Tampa Bay), San Diego (lost to KC), and Chicago (miracle MNF comeback against the team that just got rolled by Oakland). Would I love for Denver to hang 50 on someone at some point? Absolutely. But I'm not beating myself up over the fact that they haven't yet. Keep winning by 10, and I'll keep on managing to find something to smile about.

This sounds like gamblimg statistics. Which can be useless.

The broncos/patriots are both 5-1.

I'd rather be the colts who are 6-0

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by freak6

No, people that use BS excuses are morons. People that claim to be bigger fans than others who have a difference of opinion are morons. If you can back up what you are saying, I have no problem with that.

It's ok, the tide is turning. 6 games in with no change and finally the Plummer homers are waking up. Those of us that saw no change from last season to this season have every right to say "I told you so".

I never gave an excuse, and I never claimed to be a bigger or better fan. You did though, so I guess that makes you the moron.

You have every right to shut the hell up also.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by maven

This sounds like gamblimg statistics. Which can be useless.

The broncos/patriots are both 5-1.

I'd rather be the colts who are 6-0

Gambling statistics from that? Interesting.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by Rascal

I never gave an excuse, and I never claimed to be a bigger or better fan. You did though, so I guess that makes you the moron.

I think it show's a laissez faire attitude to just say, "Cuz Mike said so, so shut up". I think people that don't vote or have an opinion are less American than those that do as well. It shows that you care. How many people keep restating "Relax, we won". DOH, that was you huh.

What's the point of a discussion board otherwise. "Hey we won, let's shut down the board til next Sunday and eat our McCaffrey Flakes covered in McCaffrey Mustard". No thanks.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by freak6

What I did is use facts to destroy Garcia's pathetic and desperate attempt to apologize for Jake Plummer play.

Einstien defined insane as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I didn't call anyone specifically a moron, just those that refuse to change course in a losing cause, ie the war in Iraq. But the Broncos are on a 5 game winning streak. If we were losing, then I would out and out call Mike Shanahan a moron.

But I will call ignorant people spouting off complete BS like Garcia did as evidence to support thier weak position stupid, because that is how they are representing themselves.

Comparing football situations to political situations is about as moronic as they come, Freak. Come on.

You're the kind of in-your-face Democrat that makes moderates want to vote Republican just to spite you. You should really think about it, because it doesn't help your cause at all.

[24champ]

Originally Posted by freak6

What I did is use facts to destroy Garcia's pathetic and desperate attempt to apologize for Jake Plummer play.

Einstien defined insane as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I didn't call anyone specifically a moron, just those that refuse to change course in a losing cause, ie the war in Iraq. But the Broncos are on a 5 game winning streak. If we were losing, then I would out and out call Mike Shanahan a moron.

But I will call ignorant people spouting off complete BS like Garcia did as evidence to support thier weak position stupid, because that is how they are representing themselves.

Wow...is all I have to say.

[ludo21]

Great points on this thread.

Plummer came out stronger than in recent weeks, but fell off the wagon late. Missing easy slant passes, poor deep balls...

But STILL, I would NOT make a change until we start LOSING!! Game 1, Jake cost us the game, since then, he has made just enough plays to win games for us, and thats enough for me. When Jake starts costing us wins, then make the move, but ill stand firm till that time.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by wabbit

I'm not certain either, but I would bet that the lack of a productive TE has a LOT to do with it.

No question. Sheffler has looked pretty spastic. Given, the chemistry prob could be part Jake, but Jake hasn't had much problem with his other new weapon.

Now I'm hearing that Shef was benched? Very disappointing. I really thought that kid would be tearing it up by now.

Time to get Alexander more involved? He and Jake had decent chemistry last season. Not great, but he always seemed good for a catch or two a game.

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by freak6

What's the point of a discussion board otherwise. "Hey we won, let's shut down the board til next Sunday and eat our McCaffrey Flakes covered in McCaffrey Mustard". No thanks.

That would taste pretty gross. Cornflakes with mustard fit in with each other about as well as Bob and supermodels.

[MrPeepers]

i'm going to vegas this weekend...

girlfriend from indianapolis is betting on the colts, me obviously going for broncos.

how do you bet on these teams at the sportsbook? is one casinos better than another? do i bet spreads or winner or what? never bet on a game before.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

You know what's funny? Jake has steadily eroded his base of support with each sub-par performance. People who were pleading for patience a couple weeks ago are ready to pelt his porch with garbage and rotten fruit today.

Not that I blame them. We all have different breaking points. We all have different capacities for self deception.

This is the way I see it too.

Mike Shanahan IS NOT going to bench Plummer on the basis of his poor play. Plummer has already turned the ball over like 13 times in just six games so far.

If Mike was going to bench Plummer he would have done it before.

The ONLY thing Plummer has going for him is Cutler inexperience and that Jake does have the respect and support of his team mates. His 2nd interception pretty much destroyed that great TD streak our defense had going so sooner or later with plays like that he IS going to alienate his team mates and most vocal supporters like Rod/Lynch.

When that happens, Shanahan will start Cutler because he can't afford to screw with team chemistry and send the wrong signal to his players by inserting a rookie QB while we're still winning and the team leaders believe in Jake. But I see that support eroding away when Jake does things like throw that int just seconds after Champ made that great defensive play in the red zone. That kind of crap raises questions among even the most senior and most patient players in the locker room.

Mike has his finger on the pulse of this team and when he suspects that Jake is losing command of the huddle and respect from his team mates, that's when Jake forces Mike to go to the rookie.

At least that's the way I see it.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Originally Posted by MrPeepers

i'm going to vegas this weekend...

girlfriend from indianapolis is betting on the colts, me obviously going for broncos.

how do you bet on these teams at the sportsbook? is one casinos better than another? do i bet spreads or winner or what? never bet on a game before.

Double down on 5... and hit on 17. Do it consistantly and you'll have the table to yourself. When the others start to b!tchin, tell them that's how you roll... and eat a $25 chip right in their face.

Skip the glitz and glamour of the Strip... and head on down to the Westward Ho!

When you get hungry, go to the buffet at Circus Circus for some all you can eat hot-dogs and Mac-n-Cheese.

Never play cards against anyone named after a city. I thougt it was B.S. when I first heard it... trust me on this one.

Remember... free drinks. 15% of free is nothing the last time I checked. Tell that cocktail waitress to drop the attitude and keep 'em coming... and give her a swat on the ass. They love it.

Stick with that advice, and your Vegas trip will be MONEY BABY!!

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by No1BroncoFan

Why is it that the Plummer debate always has to devolve to hostile name-calling bullsh*t? It comes from both side, so I'm not singling out Freak or any other Maner. Just curious. I've got my opinion of why we should stay with Plummer (and believe me, it's not his play) while others have their opinions of why we should start Cutler. The fact that we can't respect each other (and the mods don't seem to care) has taken a lot from the site.

Ben

It's easy to get caught up in the heat of a lively debate... but when all's said and done, at the end of the day, we're on the same side. Broncos fans may disagree on the course of action that should be taken (start this QB or bench that one) but the common goal is for the team to win football games, go to the playoffs, and win it all. The namecalling and rudeness are unnecessary and solve nothing. A perspective that varies from one's own is not necessarily inherently "wrong" or "flawed"; it's just different and should be respected, imho.

[Northman]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

What about McNabb....he threw 3 int's today...two TD's to the other team..still accounted for 33 plus points in FF........The Eagles lost. Awesome. Would you rather have that?

But the defense still kept them in the game. And McNabb still put up enough points to win. The TB kicker made a great kick but Philly could have easily won that game. And Pitt? The defense played horrible yesterday yet the Pitt offense still put up the points to be competitive. If the defense struggles against the Colts and the offense doesnt put up enough points to keep us in the game are you going to blame the defense? Answer: Yes

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

You know what, even if it meant the Broncos would lose a couple of games, it might not be a bad thing because the Broncos have stocked up on some wins so far. And the way the defense is playing, they can win games without the offense.

The defense and running game can get this team to the playoffs. By then Cutler could have enough starts to give the team something come playoff time.

I like this idea. Is Cutler anymore of an unknown than Jake? Well, yes in that the "known" Jake is one that keeps turning the ball over, holding onto the ball too long and throwing behind his receivers. Cutler can do at least that. He'll be rough at first but I think that he could become decent enough by the playoffs.