Thread for people who are enjoying the win but still want Plummer benched.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

What did I say ? Read it again, LEINART and Young play on bad teams. Cutler would have a very good team around him and could win now. Plummer is being propped up by our team, he is holding us back and you know it.

The two rooks on bad teams could outplay Jake any day.
Give a decent qb we would be super bowl material.

And they at times play badly on bad teams. But that has nothing to do with what's going on here. The situations are almost exclusive from each other

[freak6]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Put Cutler is...it's not going to make a difference. While he may have more zip on the ball...he'll see nothing but eight man fronts.

Ok genius. You want it, you got it.

If they bring the safety up, then that means one of our WR's is matched up one on one paired with a cannon and extremely accurate arm of a poised quarterback, not a happy footed scared QB. Javon Walker is a big play WR that no headcoach on the planet is going to leave single covered, and the same goes for Rod who is the best WR we have at getting open. You think you will see Griese's rookie season all over again. Won't happen because Mike will let LOOSE the playbook with Cutler, as he has stated Cutler allows him to employ every last page of it.

If we go max protect, it won't matter if they bring the house, otherwise they would do it now vs Jake who is a ragarm that can't read a defense to save his life. They can't because our WR's are to dangerous. When Cutler gets in, I hope they put 8 in the box. I hope they disrespect him. He's so much better than any QB we have seen in orange since HIS retirement. Cutler really couldn't do worse than Jake, and even if he did, who cares, switch back to Jake. But he won't, because other than experiance, Cutler is better in every area than Plummer.

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

What's killing us is the running game not being what it was...that's why the boots rarely work and it's why Jake is having problems.

The running game is fine. Tatum Bell has been running hard all season. 4.7 YPC. Did you happen to see his 9 yard touchdown. Should I even mention the plethora of carries he has lost due to IGNORANT and TERRIBLE passes by Jake Plummer? 585 yards rushing for Tatum Bell.

"At the end of the game, I didn't make good decisions," Plummer said.

Broncos 5th in the NFL in rushing. DOH!!!

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

he's having to play from the pocket...and he's not tall enough to see the whole field.

Do you even realize that you are making an argument against Jake. You're saying he is only a good QB with the aid of the bootleg to draw the safety up, creating one on one matchups for our WRs, example the Javon Walker catch vs the Raiders.

How weak is that, you are admitting that our QB can't function in the pocket!!!

Is that not a fundamental part of football? DUH. But I digress, you are correct, he does suck in the pocket.

But then you did say the bootlegs don't work because of a lack of running game...

HMMM...

Tell that to Todd Devoe. Did you forget that play? DUH. It's Jake's ragarm that kills these bootlegs. The int to Rod vs the Rams in Stl territory was outside the pocket as well. So basically, it looks like I just showed that Jake sucks outside the pocket, with you saying he sucks inside the pocket. I guess it must be both.

That bootleg today, when he threw a TERRIBLE jump pass over the WIDE OPEN TEs head, and the Safety barely missed scooping it up to put them in scoring position. I guess that was because the running game sucked right.

Now it's because he isn't tall enough to see the whole field... How do I dare shoot that BS down. Dude has been in the league for 10 years Garcia, wake up. It's not his supposed lack of height.

"At the end of the game, I didn't make good decisions," Plummer said.

Even Shanahan has admitted that Jake is missing open recievers, he is SCARED because he has no confidence in that rag arm of his to go deep vs anything but a wide open WR.

[That One Guy]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

McNabb is a surpremely better QB, but his team is playing 500 ball...and that's the point.

Gotcha, by allowing 7 points the Broncos have a better record than the Eagles who are allowing 21 per game. Point well taken... I guess... Wait... no... I don't get the point.

[SteveTensi13]

I see no problem in putting in Jay Cutler. Plummer, at this point, is playing EXACTLY like a rookie QB anyways, might as well give Cutler some game time experience. Plummer cannot read defenses, has no pocket awareness and his arm strength, while never in Elways league, has mysteriously vanished. Sometimes I swear I've seen Rod Smith shaking his head leaving the field after another 3 and out or an untimely boneheaded interception.

THE TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW. Plummer looks to have lost complete confidence in himself and its only a matter of time, if not already, that the team starts feeding off this negativity and affects their play as well.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

THE TIME FOR CHANGE IS NOW.

Exactly, vote Democutler!!!

[Rascal]

Whoever is the QB is who I want as QB. If Shanny puts in Cutler fine...if Jake stays the starter...fine. I wonder how many could honestly say that.

[Turf Shaman]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

McNabb is a surpremely better QB, but his team is playing 500 ball...and that's the point.

It's a point that couldn't poke a hole through a tissue. If McNabb was QBing the Broncos they'd be 6-0, averaging about two touchdowns more on offense, and the McNabb-Walker combo would be terrorizing opponents. The Broncos have a better team than the Eagles, and that has nothing, absolutely zilch, to do with the quarterbacks. I love many things about this team, obviously #1 is the defense. The defense gets 90% of the credit for the 5-1 start. They are 5-1 IN SPITE of the quarterback play. We can only dance around that point because they are 5-1, but it can't last if the quarterback play doesn't improve.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by Rascal

Whoever is the QB is who I want as QB. If Shanny puts in Cutler fine...if Jake stays the starter...fine. I wonder how many could honestly say that.

As if that is something to be proud of. As if that makes you more of a loyal fan that us. To me it makes you less of a fan. We are not blind to the situation, and have formulated an opinion based upon our expertise from watching this offense function for 11 years now.

If you want to say you are just going along with Shanahan, I can see that as a valid reason for your opinion, but your statement comes off as if you think your support of whoever is back there makes you a better fan that us.

All of us support whoever is back there, I cheer for Jake as much as I did for Elway.

Reality of the situation screams that Jake Plummer is only our starting QB because he has Javon Walker at WR.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by Rascal

Whoever is the QB is who I want as QB. If Shanny puts in Cutler fine...if Jake stays the starter...fine. I wonder how many could honestly say that.

Rascal, like willow

Bend in wind of change

Not felled

Like stubborn oak

[gadlaw]

Originally Posted by Jetmeck

You are not seriously comparing Plummer to what is right now the best QB in the leaque, are you ? McNabb has a bad game once in awhile, with consistent good to great games. Plummer is consistently bad with a couple of DECENT throws here and there.

McNabb is an overhyped east coast wonder the same as Michael Vick. Both quarterbacks, like every other quarterback win some and lose some. Can't remember any Super Bowls either one of them has won. The Broncos got to the AFC Championship game last year and are 5-1 this year. Plummer has thrown a few bad balls same as always but with the Broncos he has been a consistent winner. He runs the plays that are called and continues this year to not overpush himself trying to win by himself. I know we are all waiting for the second coming of Elway/Cutler but I think the coaches think that Jake gives the team the best chance to win today. I'll give the coaches the benefit of the doubt and won't be part of the torch carrying mob.

[SportinOne]

You just hate to see Jake struggle like this after the kind of year he had last year...

What's the difference between last year and this year? I'm not sure.

Another reason you don't like to see him struggle is that it brings down his trade value. I'd almost think that if he keeps doing this the rest of the year that we might as well keep him as a backup. He might not be capable of taking us to a super bowl victory but if the kid goes down (knock on wood), we could go back to playing ugly for a game or two. He has to be the best backup in the league, doesn't he?? doesn't he?

[Hotwheelz]

Originally Posted by gadlaw

McNabb is an overhyped east coast wonder the same as Michael Vick. Both quarterbacks, like every other quarterback win some and lose some. Can't remember any Super Bowls either one of them has won. The Broncos got to the AFC Championship game last year and are 5-1 this year. Plummer has thrown a few bad balls same as always but with the Broncos he has been a consistent winner. He runs the plays that are called and continues this year to not overpush himself trying to win by himself. I know we are all waiting for the second coming of Elway/Cutler but I think the coaches think that Jake gives the team the best chance to win today. I'll give the coaches the benefit of the doubt and won't be part of the torch carrying mob.

Did you just compare McNabb to Vick?

Well, hell, then I should be QB.

You're an idiot.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by freak6

As if that is something to be proud of. As if that makes you more of a loyal fan that us. To me it makes you less of a fan. We are not blind to the situation, and have formulated an opinion based upon our expertise from watching this offense function for 11 years now.

If you want to say you are just going along with Shanahan, I can see that as a valid reason for your opinion, but your statement comes off as if you think your support of whoever is back there makes you a better fan that us. All of us support whoever is back there, I cheer for Jake as much as I did for Elway.

Reality of the situation screams that Jake Plummer is only our starting QB because he has Javon Walker at WR.

Pretty sure he said NOTHING to make anyone but you think that. In fact in your very own post you went on to call him and others that believe the same exact thing less of a fan then you. Pretty sure over the last few weeks you've been about as big as a cock ****er on this Plummer thing then anyone else I've seen. Its one thing to say Plummer needs benched but to sit there and go after fans that don't think the change is good for the team for whatever reason they believe in is just tacky. Anyways carry on.

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by TheChamp

...

What's the difference between last year and this year? I'm not sure...

I'm not certain either, but I would bet that the lack of a productive TE has a LOT to do with it.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

Rascal, like willow

Bend in wind of change

Not felled

Like stubborn oak

Rep.

[Turf Shaman]

Originally Posted by gadlaw

McNabb is an overhyped east coast wonder the same as Michael Vick. Both quarterbacks, like every other quarterback win some and lose some. Can't remember any Super Bowls either one of them has won. The Broncos got to the AFC Championship game last year and are 5-1 this year. Plummer has thrown a few bad balls same as always but with the Broncos he has been a consistent winner. He runs the plays that are called and continues this year to not overpush himself trying to win by himself. I know we are all waiting for the second coming of Elway/Cutler but I think the coaches think that Jake gives the team the best chance to win today. I'll give the coaches the benefit of the doubt and won't be part of the torch carrying mob.

, so you knock McNabb (who is a MUCH better quarterback than Vick, all you need to do is watch football games to know that) for not winning a Super Bowl, but then you praise Plummer for making it to the AFC Championship game in the next sentence. That's classic. McNabb has won a conference championship game at least. Plummer has got nothing on McNabb other than a better team.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by freak6

As if that is something to be proud of. As if that makes you more of a loyal fan that us. To me it makes you less of a fan. We are not blind to the situation, and have formulated an opinion based upon our expertise from watching this offense function for 11 years now.

If you want to say you are just going along with Shanahan, I can see that as a valid reason for your opinion, but your statement comes off as if you think your support of whoever is back there makes you a better fan that us.

All of us support whoever is back there, I cheer for Jake as much as I did for Elway.

Reality of the situation screams that Jake Plummer is only our starting QB because he has Javon Walker at WR.

*sigh*

Stop assuming things first of all. Secondly, I don't care what you think.

It makes me less of a fan...!!

Yeah...I'm sure you cheer for Jake as much as you did for Elway.

Reality screams that Jake is our QB because that's who Shanny wants as his QB regardless of what the fans or media want.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by gadlaw

As the man said, the team is 5 - 1 and in first place. I'm not sure that has sunk in for you yet.

Aren't you the same person that compared Plummer to McNabb?

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Pretty sure he said NOTHING to make anyone but you think that. In fact in your very own post you went on to call him and others that believe the same exact thing less of a fan then you. Pretty sure over the last few weeks you've been about as big as a cock ****er on this Plummer thing then anyone else I've seen. Its one thing to say Plummer needs benched but to sit there and go after fans that don't think the change is good for the team for whatever reason they believe in is just tacky. Anyways carry on.

Quotted for truth.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Hulamau

I want to win in the worst way this year…

No problem. We are winning in the worst way.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Pretty sure he said NOTHING to make anyone but you think that. In fact in your very own post you went on to call him and others that believe the same exact thing less of a fan then you. Pretty sure over the last few weeks you've been about as big as a cock ****er on this Plummer thing then anyone else I've seen.

Oh waaa!!!

BMF started the namecalling, not me. I just told him he should get Plummer tattoo'd on his back and volunteer at the Christian Science reading room because he is clearly wasting his time watching football, not to mention posting here with the ignorant crap he was trying to post which directly contradicted his own asanine statements that they immediately preceded. That was not namecalling.

And he immediately calls me a "moron"...lmfao. Then I went on to completely destroy him post after post after post. He put his ignorance on full display, I just happened to expose it. Do you remember him saying I am homosexually involved with our 1st round draft pick in more specific terms

Now Garcia spews out even more asanine and ignorant bs in some pathetic desperate attempt to hang onto his reasoning that Plummer should stay at QB.

And this time I left it alone, and simply called it an ignorant and desperate post, probably drunk.

And he calls me out, and I absolutely destroy that post in detail. http://orangemane.com/BB/showpost.ph...&postcount=102
Did I call him stupid. No, I just proved him completely wrong, and when the Freak goes off and destroys anyone with the FACTS, you guys cry and whine about how mean I am, how I namecalll and the such. Grow some spine, open your eyes, and don't spread or post ignorant BS that is easily taken apart.

Like the following BS in my signature.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by freak6

Oh waaa!!!

BMF started the namecalling, not me. I just told him he should get Plummer tattoo'd on his back and volunteer at the Christian Science reading room because he is clearly wasting his time watching football, not to mention posting here with the ignorant crap he was trying to post which directly contradicted his own asanine statements that they immediately preceded. That was not namecalling.

And he immediately calls me a "moron"...lmfao. Then I went on to completely destroy him post after post after post. He put his ignorance on full display, I just happened to expose it. Do you remember him saying I am homosexually involved with our 1st round draft pick in more specific terms

Now Garcia spews out even more asanine and ignorant bs in some pathetic desperate attempt to hang onto his reasoning that Plummer should stay at QB.

And this time I left it alone, and simply called it an ignorant and desperate post, probably drunk.

And he calls me out, and I absolutely destroy that post in detail. Did I call him stupid. No, I just proved him completely wrong, and when the Freak goes off and destroys anyone with the FACTS, you guys cry and whine about how mean I am, how I namecalll and the such. Grow some spine, open your eyes, and don't spread or post ignorant BS that is easily taken apart.

Like the following BS in my signature.

So how does any of what you just said have to do with Rascal's comment? I mean really? Thats what I want to know. I'm glad Freak thinks Freak is the **** but not once did I say the word mean or say a damn thing about name calling. I did say you are being a cock ****er about the whole Plummer thing and thats it. Again carry on man

[SprintRightOption]

And the worst poster award goes to freak6.

Also in the running for special category "Most self congratulations/Most Frequently Stating 'I am winning this argument'"

[freak6]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

So how does any of what you just said have to do with Rascal's comment? I mean really? Thats what I want to know. I'm glad Freak thinks Freak is the **** but not once did I say the word mean or say a damn thing about name calling. I did say you are being a cock ****er about the whole Plummer thing and thats it. Again carry on man

If his reasoning is whom am I to argue with Shanahan, amen. Same goes for all of us. That is the only valid reason not to be calling for Cutler.

But he said he will root for whomever is playing QB, and that he wonders who else can say that, insinuating that those of us calling for Cutler don't root for Jake.

Then he confirmed that insinuation by stating that he thinks I don't root for Jake as much as I rooted for Elway, or that in some way I am wishing for Jake to fail. Give me a break, all ANY of us want to do is Win as many games as possible. I wish for nothing less than a touchdown every down we play.

It's a typical ploy currently used by other morons that say "Stay the course".

They call anyone else that sees the obvious need for change a traitor, and less of a Fan/American. Pathetic, the reason we call for change is because we love our team/country that much.

Insert quote from Jefferson or Franklin here, there are many about how the function of the people is to check those in charge.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by SprintRightOption

And the worst poster award goes to freak6.

Also in the running for special category "Most self congratulations/Most Frequently Stating 'I am winning this argument'"

Why don't you take me on? Can any of you? I wouldn't be here if I didn't want to debate Jake vs Jay. But SRO and the rest of you have nothing to base you argument on, so you end up calling me a meanie for taking apart ignorant BS excuses that people keep vomitting up.