Thread for people who are enjoying the win but still want Plummer benched.

[Meck77]

Originally Posted by Taco John

For my part, I hope Jake doesn't continue to suck, and actually pulls himself together. Also, I'd rather not see us struggle to HFA, but get there with some authority. It would be nice for our guys to be confident going into the playoffs, rather than expecting another standard Plummer playoff outing.

It was a joke bro. I just get a kick out of everyone tripping out. It's just funny to me to see everyone so fed up with Shanny for not putting in Cutler yet everyone was sucking shanny's left nut after he made the selection and he regained his "mastermind" status.

When Shanny fails to keep this team competitive anymore I say off with his head!

On deck the Colts! If we end up with one more point than they do I'll be a real happy Broncos fan!

I'd post on the other dozen or so Jake sucks thread but I have to go scoop horse shiat out of the barn.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Meck77

I'd post on the other dozen or so Jake sucks thread but I have to go scoop horse shiat out of the barn.

That's good for you, builds character.

[troya900]

Originally Posted by Rascal

I stole this from a guy named SSOG:

Pop quiz... name the only NFL team to win its last 4 games by double-digits.
Answer: Denver.

Okay, that was an easy one. Name the only other NFL team to win its last THREE games by double-digits.
Answer: New England.

And what happened to New England 4 weeks ago? That's right, they lost to Denver by double digits (in New England, I might add).

Okay, another question. How many teams, besides Denver and New England, have even managed to win TWO straight by 10+?
Answer: None.

How many teams, besides Denver and New England, have managed to win two straight games by even SEVEN points?
Answer: Minnesota, and that's it.

The moral of this story? While this certainly isn't the Denver offense we've all grown accustomed to, it hasn't made one bit of difference. No team other than Denver has been as consistantly dominant this season. Your other contenders are teams such as Indy (beat Tenn by 1 point on a last-second comeback), New England (lost to Denver, but has been rolling since), Philly (lost to Tampa Bay), San Diego (lost to KC), and Chicago (miracle MNF comeback against the team that just got rolled by Oakland). Would I love for Denver to hang 50 on someone at some point? Absolutely. But I'm not beating myself up over the fact that they haven't yet. Keep winning by 10, and I'll keep on managing to find something to smile about.

This isn't right Chicago has won by more than 10 points in 2 straight games twice. Would have been five straight if they beat Minnesota by more than 3 points.

Edit: San Diego also did it twice. Seems like you pulled something from someone who doesn't have very good recollection of facts.

[orangenblue]

Originally Posted by Meck77

I hope Jake continues to "Suck" and the Broncos keep on winning. These melt down threads make me laugh....I hope we "Struggle" all the way to home field advantage in the playoffs!


Go Broncos!

We play Indy, SD, KC, and SEA, next. Trust me, Jake is a mere open sore right now. He's going to turn into a gash, and the blood is going to flow like a river. It's going to be hard to stop the bleeding.

He just crapped his pants against the Browns. Randy Moss couldn't even make him look good. I literally cannot believe he is an NFL QB.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

You know what, even if it meant the Broncos would lose a couple of games, it might not be a bad thing because the Broncos have stocked up on some wins so far. And the way the defense is playing, they can win games without the offense.

The defense and running game can get this team to the playoffs. By then Cutler could have enough starts to give the team something come playoff time.

That's too much of a "maybe" for me. If Shanny wants to do it and it's handled smoothly, then it's ok with me. I'm not advocating it though. Too risky. Alfred Williams has a talk show here in Denver and he was saying the vets absolutely hated it when Shanny dumped Brister for Griese back in '99. I really don't think the locker room wants Jay in. They have a known commodity with Jake, they've won with him many, many times. These guys have seen many QB's struggle at times on the other side of the ball, I don't think they're panicking. I think people need to just give it some time, the situation will sort itself out.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by fontaine

. . . . . . ..But I see that support eroding away when Jake does things like throw that int just seconds after Champ made that great defensive play in the red zone. That kind of crap raises questions among even the most senior and most patient players in the locker room.

Mike has his finger on the pulse of this team and when he suspects that Jake is losing command of the huddle and respect from his team mates, that's when Jake forces Mike to go to the rookie.

At least that's the way I see it.

I don't see how a few instances of poor QB play "raises questions among even the most senior and most patient players in the locker room." They've seen plenty of bad QB play before, and Jake isn't that horrible despite what we see here on this board.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by gadlaw

Look, McNabb is as much a winner as John Elway was before two Super Bowl wins. He's a good quarterback, not a great quarterback - yet or ever. At this point Elway had taken the team on his back to Super Bowl loses and was 'never won the big one' Elway by the media. Before the Super Bowl against Green Bay I remember them asking Elway and everyone else on the team if they thought that Elway could make it into the Hall of Fame without winning the Super Bowl cause nobody thought he'd win one. McNabb doesn't get that qualifier by the media. So I'll always diss on every 'greatest thing since sliced bread' quarterback who hasn't won a Super Bowl and who doesn't get the same treatment that Elway got when he was playing. Today over at NFL.com Shannon Sharpe writes that McNabb's turnovers were too much for his team to overcome. The point being that even the great McNabb that so many people are offended that I mentioned in the same breath with Vick loses games due to his own mistakes. If it was Plummer you'd be calling for his head like you're doing now. NcNabb's team lost, Plummer's team won. And as far as Plummer taking the team to the Conference Championship I can't understand how so many of you can't seem to remember that Plummer has done well so hey, I'll mention it as evidence of Plummer being the best quarterback that Shanny has with the best chance of winning right now. And in losing that game I saw the whole team lose it, not just Plummer. So I assume when you say 'classic' you mean too complicated of a train of thought.

And you're right, Plummer doesn't have anything on McNabb except a better team. But it's a team sport, not Battle of the Network Stars. The coaches think Plummer is the starter and that seems about right. I understand and I agree that it's like watching the Chicago Bears instead of the Denver Broncos out there. It's frustrating and not what I'm used to seeing but dropping Cutway in there right now isn't the answer, you don't change the engine when all that's wrong is underinflated tires.

Awesome post

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by clarker

I don't know if I want Jake benched or not but we won't beat the Colts if he plays like he did yesterday.

I don't think we would beat them with Cutler either, but I keep asking myself if the 10 year vet keeps making rookie mistakes, why not play the rookie who has a bigger up side?

It's the "we're 5-1, why knock the train off the rails" crowd vs. the "risk knocking the train off the rails" crowd.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Is that why Ruben Droughns was languishing on the bench when Q was stinking it up?

Or why it took injuries etc for Elvis Dumvervil to be declared active and get his 5 sacks in two games? It must have been ST, yeah, Elvis doesn't play ST so he must not give us the best chance to win even though he's got 5 sacks in two games?

Or why Lenny Walls started ahead of Fox/Dwill even though he stunk and we finally had to drop in down the depth charts when he was giving up TDs?

Must have been also why there was no clear cut starter between Bell at the early part of the season?

Save the Party Line for someone else. Mike hates unkowns and Cutler is an unkown to a certain extent but to say Jake gives us a better chance to win after his crapy play so far is ludicrous.

Now that was pretty good. Except it isn't ludicrous to say Jake gives the team the best chance to win. It's playing the odds.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

It's the "we're 5-1, why knock the train off the rails" crowd vs. the "risk knocking the train off the rails" crowd.

Starting Jake Plummer is just as much of a risk. Do you people even watch the games?

It's the "we're 5-1, yay, Casey Jones is driving this train...high on cocaine!!!" vs the "We need to replace Casey Jones now to avoid the January train crash"

But, I guess all you Plummer homers are happy with this.

[ludo21]

a red x?

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by freak6

Starting Jake Plummer is just as much of a risk. Do you people even watch the games?

It's the "we're 5-1, yay, Casey Jones is driving this train...high on cocaine!!!" vs the "We need to replace Casey Jones now to avoid the January train crash"

But, I guess all you Plummer homers are happy with this.

Hehe

[ludo21]

im sure happy with Division Champs and HVA.



So we sucked when it counted, it was a huge team loss.

[freak6]

Originally Posted by ludo21

im sure happy with Division Champs and HVA.



So we sucked when it counted, it was a huge team loss.

Oh, we had HVA?

Anyway, it was a team loss. But Jake failed when we needed him most. Down 10, and Simms is telling everyone we need to be careful right here.

http://www.cherokeeflyer.com/downloa...cgfirstint.wmv

He has since gotten only worse than really imaginable.

[ZONA]

Originally Posted by fontaine

This is the way I see it too.

Mike Shanahan IS NOT going to bench Plummer on the basis of his poor play. Plummer has already turned the ball over like 13 times in just six games so far.

If Mike was going to bench Plummer he would have done it before.

The ONLY thing Plummer has going for him is Cutler inexperience and that Jake does have the respect and support of his team mates. His 2nd interception pretty much destroyed that great TD streak our defense had going so sooner or later with plays like that he IS going to alienate his team mates and most vocal supporters like Rod/Lynch.

When that happens, Shanahan will start Cutler because he can't afford to screw with team chemistry and send the wrong signal to his players by inserting a rookie QB while we're still winning and the team leaders believe in Jake. But I see that support eroding away when Jake does things like throw that int just seconds after Champ made that great defensive play in the red zone. That kind of crap raises questions among even the most senior and most patient players in the locker room.

Mike has his finger on the pulse of this team and when he suspects that Jake is losing command of the huddle and respect from his team mates, that's when Jake forces Mike to go to the rookie.

At least that's the way I see it.

I don't see it that way. I would say if the team keeps winning, you won't see the vets gripe about much at all. They'll just keep saying the most important stat of all is that Jake keeps winning. Bottom line, if we keep winning, Jake will keep starting. Period.

[ludo21]

my bad. Colts did

But in essence, we had it since all games were at home.

[errand]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Well who really cares that the guy is completing 52% of his passes, and is on pace to throw 18 ints with only 10 TDs and only 2600 yards? It's about the wins isn't it?

Why not? Afterall, we won a Super bowl with a QB putting up wimpy stats like 12-23 for 123 yards 0 td's 1 int.

30 years from now nobody will care that Elway put up wimpy numbers.....all he has to do is show them the ring.

[errand]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

good to see not everyone has lost their fvkkkin mind.

its so utterly pathetic reading all this crap on the front page that im just gonna go to another board for awhile.
all this is anymore is irritating.

go broncos indeed.

we're 5-1, and we're winning games by double digit scores.
i dont care if its 10-0 or 30-20, im gonna be happy either way, and frankly, 10-0 is more encouraging since a lights out defense is what wins championships.

whatever.
we're 5-1, but the sky is falling and we should put in a rookie qb.
yeah, okay guys great idea.

here's to everyone else that is just enjoying being in 1st place and looking forward to sundays big game.
kudo's to you.

jake

I recall the Cowboys winning a playoff game 5-0 over the Detroit Lions in '70 or '71. I wonder how many people were b****ing about it after it was over?

[errand]

Originally Posted by freak6

We gave up 24 points to the Packers in SB 32. That defense is the first to ever win a Super Bowl while being last in the NFL in Yards Per Carry given up.

The next years defense was awful against the pass, but top 5 vs the run.

But since you are so sure that a 10-0 wins are more encouraging that 30-20 wins, tell us what happened to the Broncos the last time they led the NFL in points given up and went to the Super Bowl?

Yeah they got creamed by the 49ers...55-10.

So tell us Freak, did you blast Dan for starting Elway in that game (3 ints, his best pass completion was 28 yard shovel pass, and his first pass was a laser intot urf 10 yards shy of Mark Jackson)...were you calling for Kubiak to save the day?

BTW, the last time the Broncos led the NFL in scoring, they got wasted by the Raiders 42-24 in aplayoff game...so again what's your point?

[-Slap-]

I think to myself, what could be more absurd than people continuing to defend Jake Plummer?

Then I see Errand decided the time was ripe to make this another Elway hate thread.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by freak6

Starting Jake Plummer is just as much of a risk. Do you people even watch the games?

It's the "we're 5-1, yay, Casey Jones is driving this train...high on cocaine!!!" vs the "We need to replace Casey Jones now to avoid the January train crash"

But, I guess all you Plummer homers are happy with this.

I watch the games, but I don't freak out at 5-1 with 10 games left.

[errand]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

I think to myself, what could be more absurd than people continuing to defend Jake Plummer?

Then I see Errand decided the time was ripe to make this another Elway hate thread.

Gee, you mean I'm not a racist? That's your go to move from what I've heard from alot of posters on here.

I love the Broncos...not any one player. You have a man crush on John, and while I'm sure he'd be flattered...I doubt he'd like you more than your dog did.

It's not an Elway hate thread clown...I'm just giving numerous occasions when the NFL's best QB ever didn't live up to the hype either. Unlike you, I know Elway was human and prone to make mistakes....you see him as a God who never played poorly, or cost the Broncos a game.

Sorry to have to wake you up from fantasy land...but John Elway threw alot of INT's (some as lame) like Jake has as a Bronco. He also won alot games as a Bronco despite that fact....just like Jake has.

John Elway cost us the '91 AFC title game with a stupid int into the breadbasket of a Bills LB....cost us the game, but it didn't make me scream for Kubiak like you dolts are clamoring for Cutler.

When the clock strikes :00, as long as our side of the scoreboard has 1 more pint than the other team's side...I'm smiling. You can cry all you want....it's a free country.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by errand

Gee, you mean I'm not a racist? That's your go to move from what I've heard from alot of posters on here.

I love the Broncos...not any one player. You have a man crush on John, and while I'm sure he'd be flattered...I doubt he'd like you more than your dog did.

It's not an Elway hate thread clown...I'm just giving numerous occasions when the NFL's best QB ever didn't live up to the hype either. Unlike you, I know Elway was human and prone to make mistakes....you see him as a God who never played poorly, or cost the Broncos a game.

Sorry to have to wake you up from fantasy land...but John Elway threw alot of INT's (some as lame) like Jake has as a Bronco. He also won alot games as a Bronco despite that fact....just like Jake has.

John Elway cost us the '91 AFC title game with a stupid int into the breadbasket of a Bills LB....cost us the game, but it didn't make me scream for Kubiak like you dolts are clamoring for Cutler.

When the clock strikes :00, as long as our side of the scoreboard has 1 more pint than the other team's side...I'm smiling. You can cry all you want....it's a free country.

haha....awesome

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by errand

Gee, you mean I'm not a racist? That's your go to move from what I've heard from alot of posters on here.

I love the Broncos...not any one player. You have a man crush on John, and while I'm sure he'd be flattered...I doubt he'd like you more than your dog did.

It's not an Elway hate thread clown...I'm just giving numerous occasions when the NFL's best QB ever didn't live up to the hype either. Unlike you, I know Elway was human and prone to make mistakes....you see him as a God who never played poorly, or cost the Broncos a game.

Sorry to have to wake you up from fantasy land...but John Elway threw alot of INT's (some as lame) like Jake has as a Bronco. He also won alot games as a Bronco despite that fact....just like Jake has.

John Elway cost us the '91 AFC title game with a stupid int into the breadbasket of a Bills LB....cost us the game, but it didn't make me scream for Kubiak like you dolts are clamoring for Cutler.

When the clock strikes :00, as long as our side of the scoreboard has 1 more pint than the other team's side...I'm smiling. You can cry all you want....it's a free country.

You're a blatant racist and an overall idiot.

That's really not relevant to your constant Elway bashing, though. I'm not really sure what motivates that, but I have met some so-called Bronco fans who love to slander the man who carried the franchise on his back for the first half of his career.

Doesn't really bother me because its just another fool checking himself and sparing me the trouble.

In your case, I think you believe it makes you look like some kind of hardass. I guess that's why you never have anything good to say about Taco John, either.

My favorite post of yours was when you said six year olds shouldn't get participation trophies in little league because it would make them grow up queer or something. You are grotesquely stupid, Errand. Make no mistake about that.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

My favorite post of yours was when you said six year olds shouldn't get participation trophies in little league because it would make them grow up queer or something. You are grotesquely stupid, Errand. Make no mistake about that.

you might be right...but not today.