GOP Threatens Voters In Southern CA. - The Orange Mane

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-19-2006, 07:17 AM

Too much!

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AG: Voter Warning Linked to GOP Campaign
October 19,2006 | SANTA ANA, Calif. -- State investigators have linked a Republican campaign to letters sent to thousands of Southern California Hispanics warning them they could go to jail or be deported if they vote next month, a spokesman for the attorney general said.

"We have identified where we believe the mailing list was obtained," said Nathan Barankin, spokesman for Attorney General Bill Lockyer.

He declined to identify the specific Republican campaign Wednesday, citing the ongoing investigation. The Los Angeles Times and The Orange County Register both reported Thursday that the investigation appeared to be focused on the campaign of Tan D. Nguyen, a Republican challenger to Democratic U.S. Rep. Loretta Sanchez.

The letter, written in Spanish, tells recipients: "You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time."

In fact, immigrants who are naturalized U.S. citizens can vote.

Complaints about the letters this week prompted state and federal investigations, and Barankin said investigators had been questioning people in Orange County.

The two newspapers reported state investigators had found the location where the letters were printed and mailed to an estimated 14,000 Democratic voters in central Orange County. The Los Angeles Times, citing an unnamed source, said authorities had interviewed Nguyen at his office.

Nguyen did not return messages left by The Associated Press or either newspaper. Sanchez also did not return messages seeking comment.

The owner of Huntington Beach-based Mailing Pros, Christopher West, told The Orange County Register that he didn't know any laws were being broken when the mailer was sent. He said he gave investigators the name of the person who hired him to do the mailings but declined to provide that the name to the newspaper.

"I'm the one that processed it, and I don't read Spanish," West said. "Until the investigator read it to me, I didn't know the content."

Scott Baugh, chairman of the Orange County Republican Party, condemned the letter as "an obnoxious, grotesque piece of work."

"Regardless of who did it -- Republican or Democrat -- if it's a crime, then whoever did it should be prosecuted," Baugh said.

A group of six Vietnamese-American political candidates running for offices in Orange County issued a joint statement saying: "The content of this mailer is offensive to the immigrant voters, regardless of their ethnicity."

The note's letterhead resembles that of an anti-illegal immigration group, California Coalition for Immigration Reform, but group leader Barbara Coe said she told investigators for the attorney general's office Wednesday that her group didn't authorize the letter and she didn't know who sent it.

"The letterhead was altered and I've never head of any Sergio Ramirez," the name signed to the letter, Coe said.

Numerous political leaders including Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger have denounced the letter and called for the investigations.

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Crushaholic · 10-19-2006, 11:08 AM

They are half right (with the illegals), but a half-truth is still not acceptable...

SPfloppy · 10-19-2006, 01:18 PM

Please don't take the side of illegals here Beerslug. Warning illegal aliens of possible deportation if they vote is a bad thing, but the fact is this THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY AND CANNOT VOTE!!!!!!!! I once read an article that said that dems were trying to block overseas absentee ballots in the 2000 election. These were soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who were either deployed or employed 1000's of miles away from home and at the time a small number were survivors of the USS Cole attacks. They have the legal right to vote as they are citizens of this nation.

If true the GOP has commited a shameful act but one that is rooted in fact. Is it intimidation? Yes. But does it hold water? Yes

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-19-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SPfloppy

Please don't take the side of illegals here Beerslug. Warning illegal aliens of possible deportation if they vote is a bad thing, but the fact is this THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY AND CANNOT VOTE!!!!!!!! I once read an article that said that dems were trying to block overseas absentee ballots in the 2000 election. These were soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who were either deployed or employed 1000's of miles away from home and at the time a small number were survivors of the USS Cole attacks. They have the legal right to vote as they are citizens of this nation.

If true the GOP has commited a shameful act but one that is rooted in fact. Is it intimidation? Yes. But does it hold water? Yes

I'm not and you need to reread the article.

Anyone with any time in this forum knows what my position is on the criminals invading this country.

SPfloppy · 10-19-2006, 01:21 PM

Bronco beerslug I see you are from the Texas Riviera? Corpas Christi? I used to live in Corpas and Victoria. I do so miss the white bowl down from Bob Hall pier in Klaberg Co. on the island.

SPfloppy · 10-19-2006, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I'm not and you need to reread the article.

Anyone with any time in this forum knows what my position is on the criminals invading this country.

Guilty of skimming. My most sincere apologies exaulted one

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-19-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SPfloppy

Bronco beerslug I see you are from the Texas Riviera? Corpas Christi? I used to live in Corpas and Victoria. I do so miss the white bowl down from Bob Hall pier in Klaberg Co. on the island.

I'm born and raised in Colorado but now living here in Rockport. I'm over at Mustang Island quite a bit though.

Cold front moved in today and were in the low 70s.

SPfloppy · 10-19-2006, 01:33 PM

Rockport Eh? I used to go there and eat at the Boil'n Pot. Is that place still there? Creole place. Cold front in South TX...I miss that because up here in North Dakota if we get a cold front it usually sticks around for oh I dunno a few months

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-19-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SPfloppy

Rockport Eh? I used to go there and eat at the Boil'n Pot. Is that place still there? Creole place. Cold front in South TX...I miss that because up here in North Dakota if we get a cold front it usually sticks around for oh I dunno a few months

Still here but I've never eaten there.

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-19-2006, 03:15 PM

The Latest....

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Calif. candidate urged to exit race

By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago

GARDEN GROVE, Calif. - Orange County Republican leaders on Thursday called for the withdrawal of a GOP congressional candidate they believe sent a letter threatening Hispanic immigrant voters with arrest.

Tan D. Nguyen denied knowing anything about the letter in an interview Thursday with The Associated Press but said he fired a campaign staffer who may have been responsible for it.
County Republican Chairman Scott Baugh, however, said that after speaking with state investigators and the company that distributed the mailer, he believes Nguyen had direct knowledge of "obnoxious and reprehensible" letter. He told the AP that the party's executive committee voted unanimously to urge Nguyen to drop out of the race against Democratic U.S. Rep. Loretta Sanchez (news, bio, voting record).
"I learned information that allows me to draw the conclusion that not only was Mr. Nguyen's campaign involved in this, but that Mr. Nguyen was personally involved in expediting the mailer," Baugh said in a telephone interview.

State and federal officials were investigating the letter, which was written in Spanish and mailed to an estimated 14,000 Democratic voters in central Orange County. It warns, "You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time."
Immigrants who are adult naturalized citizens are eligible to vote.
Nguyen, a Vietnamese immigrant whose opposition to illegal immigration has figured heavily in his underdog campaign, was not immediately available to react to the committee's vote. A staffer at his campaign headquarters said he was meeting with investigators.
Earlier Thursday, he said in an interview, "I did not do this. I did not approve of any letter."
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-19-2006, 03:23 PM

The GOP dirty tricks just keep on coming.

Interesting that this schmuck is from Garbage Grove, CA.

broncocalijohn · 10-20-2006, 12:49 AM

Garbage grove is still better than most places in LA. I learn vietnamese just by driving around westminster and garden grove. The letter started by stating that if you are legal and registered to vote, that they wanted them to vote. It just went down hill from there. I never minded the security guard angle for voting places with corruption but "Sergio Ramirez" is sooo obvious of a BS mailer. Why doesnt the budget for elections just make up a letter and mail it to all registered voters when they mail out the ballot books. It is a crime and everyone should be aware of it. Of course I dont recall too many times the attorney general has actually checked for voting fraud. Nguyen was going to lose it anyways.

broncocalijohn · 10-20-2006, 12:50 AM

BTW LABF, he ran as a Dem just 4 years ago. Flip flopper. You can have him back. I think he just wants to be in politics regardless of what party.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-20-2006, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Garbage grove is still better than most places in LA.

"Most" places?

Are you sure this is your final answer?

broncocalijohn · 10-20-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

"Most" places?

Are you sure this is your final answer?

Im including the valley, east LA and south central. Most of downtown sucks too. So does that add up to most or not? I try to stay away from anything north of Long beach unless it is for A USC game. You know we like our Orange Curtain along the 605 /22 freeway.

Hotrod · 10-20-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

I'm born and raised in Colorado but now living here in Rockport. I'm over at Mustang Island quite a bit though.

Cold front moved in today and were in the low 70s.

Hmm I was in Port Aransas (sp) a couple of years back seems like thats pretty close to there no

Nice area anyway

Bronco_Beerslug · 10-20-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Hmm I was in Port Aransas (sp) a couple of years back seems like thats pretty close to there no

Nice area anyway

Yep, that's it. Port A is the town on Mustang Island. Rockport is 15 miles back north after you take the ferry across to Aransas Pass.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-20-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Im including the valley...

Too vague.

Depends on which end (east or west) and how far north or south of Ventura you live.

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

east LA...

Depends on where you think East L.A. starts. East of LaBrea? In that case, it depends on whether you're north or south of Sunset. Also, contrary to popular belief, not every city in East L.A. is a barrio - there are a lot of cities and neighborhoods that are no worse than Garbage Grove.

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

and south central.

Depends on how far inland from LAX you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

Most of downtown sucks too.

Are you kidding me?

I have to wonder if you feel this way simply because of the huge ethnic diversity of downtown.

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

So does that add up to most or not?

Only from the vantage point of an Orange County redneck.

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Originally Posted by broncocalijohn

I try to stay away from anything north of Long beach unless it is for A USC game. You know we like our Orange Curtain along the 605 /22 freeway.

This would explain your take on L.A.

It's just the take you would expect from a guy who doesn't venture far from white bread land/republi-con country.

10-19-2006, 07:17 AM	#1
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	GOP Threatens Voters In Southern CA. Too much! ---------------------------------------------------------- AG: Voter Warning Linked to GOP Campaign October 19,2006 \| SANTA ANA, Calif. -- State investigators have linked a Republican campaign to letters sent to thousands of Southern California Hispanics warning them they could go to jail or be deported if they vote next month, a spokesman for the attorney general said. "We have identified where we believe the mailing list was obtained," said Nathan Barankin, spokesman for Attorney General Bill Lockyer. He declined to identify the specific Republican campaign Wednesday, citing the ongoing investigation. The Los Angeles Times and The Orange County Register both reported Thursday that the investigation appeared to be focused on the campaign of Tan D. Nguyen, a Republican challenger to Democratic U.S. Rep. Loretta Sanchez. The letter, written in Spanish, tells recipients: "You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time." In fact, immigrants who are naturalized U.S. citizens can vote. Complaints about the letters this week prompted state and federal investigations, and Barankin said investigators had been questioning people in Orange County. The two newspapers reported state investigators had found the location where the letters were printed and mailed to an estimated 14,000 Democratic voters in central Orange County. The Los Angeles Times, citing an unnamed source, said authorities had interviewed Nguyen at his office. Nguyen did not return messages left by The Associated Press or either newspaper. Sanchez also did not return messages seeking comment. The owner of Huntington Beach-based Mailing Pros, Christopher West, told The Orange County Register that he didn't know any laws were being broken when the mailer was sent. He said he gave investigators the name of the person who hired him to do the mailings but declined to provide that the name to the newspaper. "I'm the one that processed it, and I don't read Spanish," West said. "Until the investigator read it to me, I didn't know the content." Scott Baugh, chairman of the Orange County Republican Party, condemned the letter as "an obnoxious, grotesque piece of work." "Regardless of who did it -- Republican or Democrat -- if it's a crime, then whoever did it should be prosecuted," Baugh said. A group of six Vietnamese-American political candidates running for offices in Orange County issued a joint statement saying: "The content of this mailer is offensive to the immigrant voters, regardless of their ethnicity." The note's letterhead resembles that of an anti-illegal immigration group, California Coalition for Immigration Reform, but group leader Barbara Coe said she told investigators for the attorney general's office Wednesday that her group didn't authorize the letter and she didn't know who sent it. "The letterhead was altered and I've never head of any Sergio Ramirez," the name signed to the letter, Coe said. Numerous political leaders including Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger have denounced the letter and called for the investigations. Salon provides breaking news articles from the Associated Press as a service to its readers, but does not edit the AP articles it publishes. © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.

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10-19-2006, 11:08 AM	#2
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,079	They are half right (with the illegals), but a half-truth is still not acceptable...

10-19-2006, 01:18 PM	#3
SPfloppy Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	Please don't take the side of illegals here Beerslug. Warning illegal aliens of possible deportation if they vote is a bad thing, but the fact is this THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY AND CANNOT VOTE!!!!!!!! I once read an article that said that dems were trying to block overseas absentee ballots in the 2000 election. These were soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who were either deployed or employed 1000's of miles away from home and at the time a small number were survivors of the USS Cole attacks. They have the legal right to vote as they are citizens of this nation. If true the GOP has commited a shameful act but one that is rooted in fact. Is it intimidation? Yes. But does it hold water? Yes

10-19-2006, 01:21 PM	#5
SPfloppy Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	Bronco beerslug I see you are from the Texas Riviera? Corpas Christi? I used to live in Corpas and Victoria. I do so miss the white bowl down from Bob Hall pier in Klaberg Co. on the island.

10-19-2006, 01:33 PM	#8
SPfloppy Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 880	Rockport Eh? I used to go there and eat at the Boil'n Pot. Is that place still there? Creole place. Cold front in South TX...I miss that because up here in North Dakota if we get a cold front it usually sticks around for oh I dunno a few months

10-19-2006, 03:15 PM	#10
Bronco_Beerslug Angling in the Deep Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Texas Riviera, Southern Mountains Posts: 24,281	The Latest.... ------------------------------------------ Calif. candidate urged to exit race By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer 34 minutes ago GARDEN GROVE, Calif. - Orange County Republican leaders on Thursday called for the withdrawal of a GOP congressional candidate they believe sent a letter threatening Hispanic immigrant voters with arrest. Tan D. Nguyen denied knowing anything about the letter in an interview Thursday with The Associated Press but said he fired a campaign staffer who may have been responsible for it. County Republican Chairman Scott Baugh, however, said that after speaking with state investigators and the company that distributed the mailer, he believes Nguyen had direct knowledge of "obnoxious and reprehensible" letter. He told the AP that the party's executive committee voted unanimously to urge Nguyen to drop out of the race against Democratic U.S. Rep. Loretta Sanchez (news, bio, voting record). "I learned information that allows me to draw the conclusion that not only was Mr. Nguyen's campaign involved in this, but that Mr. Nguyen was personally involved in expediting the mailer," Baugh said in a telephone interview. State and federal officials were investigating the letter, which was written in Spanish and mailed to an estimated 14,000 Democratic voters in central Orange County. It warns, "You are advised that if your residence in this country is illegal or you are an immigrant, voting in a federal election is a crime that could result in jail time." Immigrants who are adult naturalized citizens are eligible to vote. Nguyen, a Vietnamese immigrant whose opposition to illegal immigration has figured heavily in his underdog campaign, was not immediately available to react to the committee's vote. A staffer at his campaign headquarters said he was meeting with investigators. Earlier Thursday, he said in an interview, "I did not do this. I did not approve of any letter." CONT

10-19-2006, 03:23 PM	#11
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,697	The GOP dirty tricks just keep on coming. Interesting that this schmuck is from Garbage Grove, CA.

10-20-2006, 12:49 AM	#12
broncocalijohn Famer of Rings My Dog Richard Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lake Forest, Orange County, Calif. Posts: 18,615 Adopt-a-Bronco: Simon Fletcher	Garbage grove is still better than most places in LA. I learn vietnamese just by driving around westminster and garden grove. The letter started by stating that if you are legal and registered to vote, that they wanted them to vote. It just went down hill from there. I never minded the security guard angle for voting places with corruption but "Sergio Ramirez" is sooo obvious of a BS mailer. Why doesnt the budget for elections just make up a letter and mail it to all registered voters when they mail out the ballot books. It is a crime and everyone should be aware of it. Of course I dont recall too many times the attorney general has actually checked for voting fraud. Nguyen was going to lose it anyways.

10-20-2006, 12:50 AM	#13
broncocalijohn Famer of Rings My Dog Richard Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lake Forest, Orange County, Calif. Posts: 18,615 Adopt-a-Bronco: Simon Fletcher	BTW LABF, he ran as a Dem just 4 years ago. Flip flopper. You can have him back. I think he just wants to be in politics regardless of what party.