Why having a crappy offense matters? - The Orange Mane

Mediator12 · 10-16-2006, 09:29 PM

The Cardinals defense was unreal tonight. They allowed 168 yards, forced 6 TO's and made the Bears top ranked offense look offensive ALL NIGHT LONG. The Only thing they did not do is score (they had one overturned though). Otherwise, they were practically perfect allowing a FG.

Guess what happened. The offense failed to make those TO's into points, the Bears defense smothered the Cards offense in the second half into two Defensive TD's, and the ST's missed two FG's and allowed a Punt return TD. 21 points from non-defensive team functions.

That's the NFL. Not having a playoff Caliber offense is going to come back and bite this team in the ass, probably in the playoffs where they have sucked when they were actually productive during the regular season.

All this talk of formula's fails to mention that they are simply generalizations, and it takes a whole team to win and just a few screwy plays to lose. Every game is different, every matchup different.

It will take a decent offense to make the playoffs, let alone win another playoff game. Stop deceiving yourselves if you think this defense is going to average under 13 points a game for the whole year. If the offense does not score more than 12 points a game, the Broncos will be 10-6 at best and going to INDY all over again.

azbroncfan · 10-16-2006, 09:37 PM

Denny lost this game like the 98 nfc championship game, passing when up by 20 with 30 secs left in the 3rd. Then cards had the ball with 11 min left up by 13 and run 45 secs or so off with 3 plays.

2KBack · 10-16-2006, 09:44 PM

that's funny, on the other hand, Chicagos offense was pure crap and they're defense won the game for them (that snd some sort of magic that causes two perfect fumble bounces, one that should have been blown dead, and a probowl kicker missing 2 fieldgoals inculdeing the game winner). Actually, if you check the stats, the inferior offense won that game.

So this game isn't a very good example of crappy offense costing the game.

ludo21 · 10-16-2006, 09:45 PM

Its not like the Cards O sucked too bad, they just went conservative and it bit them in the behind.

Martyball loses again.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-16-2006, 09:47 PM

The Bears' offense was equally horrible, and yet their defense scored the points for them in this game. So according to this game your defense can win the game for you when your offense not only stalls out, but when you commit 6 turnovers.

ludo21 · 10-16-2006, 09:48 PM

timing on the TO's is also important. The Bears got them when it counted, (like the Broncos) and the Cards got a bunch when the game was still in hand.

azbroncfan · 10-16-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

Its not like the Cards O sucked too bad, they just went conservative and it bit them in the behind.

Martyball loses again.

That would of won the game, they played too aggressive with the passing and ran no clock of in 2 possessions.

bronco militia · 10-16-2006, 09:50 PM

yes and no....IMO, the difference for the cards was last years best kicker in football choked two weeks in row

DBroncos4life · 10-16-2006, 09:51 PM

I've always believe that if you out score the other team you win, even if your O has 6 turnovers from your starting QB. If Plummer does that and we lose, put the kid in.

yavoon · 10-16-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

That would of won the game, they played too aggressive with the passing and ran no clock of in 2 possessions.

there was no chance they could get a first down running. their best chance to win was by passing, it just didnt workout.

Mediator12 · 10-16-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

that's funny, on the other hand, Chicagos offense was pure crap and they're defense won the game for them (that snd some sort of magic that causes two perfect fumble bounces, one that should have been blown dead, and a probowl kicker missing 2 fieldgoals inculdeing the game winner). Actually, if you check the stats, the inferior offense won that game.

So this game isn't a very good example of crappy offense costing the game.

Your missing the point entirely. The Cardinals Defense allowed 3 points and the other team still scored 24 points off of other non-defensive plays and ST's.

Sure the Bears got some Defensive TD's off two lucky bounce TO's and their Defense definitely made up for getting abused in the first quarter. However, they were not the better defense out there tonight and they still affected the outcome of the game by making two defensive scores. The Cards defense played an almost perfect game in NFL terms, and they still get 24 points accredited to them. If Their offense, which was nowhere near as bad as Denver's, converts half those TO's into points its all over.

ludo21 · 10-16-2006, 09:55 PM

36 att. 55, yards.

Id say they tried. Passing was what was working, they went away from it and lost.

6 TO's and they only scored 13 points from it. Not good.

TheChamp24 · 10-16-2006, 10:04 PM

The Cards offense was horrendus the 2nd half due to trying to run too much. They needed to pass more and spread it around like they were doing in the 1st half. Remember the 2002 Raiders? They won by spreading the ball around and passing for short yards. The Cards could've done that, but went to running, and that killed everything for them.

epicSocialism4tw · 10-16-2006, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

timing on the TO's is also important. The Bears got them when it counted, (like the Broncos) and the Cards got a bunch when the game was still in hand.

The timely play is what defines the Denver defense. Champ's pick last week. Ian Gold's forced fumble and Myers' recovery. Champ's endzone pick vs. Baltimore. Darrent's pick vs. Baltimore. Champ's pick/return vs. NE in the playoffs. Champ's pick /return vs. San Diego.

Popps · 10-16-2006, 10:13 PM

You watch the game, Mediator? Just wondering.

See, the Cards had a 20-3 lead in the second half... then a 23-10 lead. Two fluke defensive plays got the Bears back into the game.

What, now 23 points isn't good enough?

Not a surprise on a forum where a large contingent believes that you win football games by first getting into a huge hole, and then having to overcome that large lead with a basketball score in order to win.

Offense matters, but like someone else said... not really a good example to use to make your point.

Popps · 10-16-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

The timely play is what defines the Denver defense. Champ's pick last week. Ian Gold's forced fumble and Myers' recovery. Champ's endzone pick vs. Baltimore. Darrent's pick vs. Baltimore. Champ's pick/return vs. NE in the playoffs. Champ's pick /return vs. San Diego.

Timely plays are indeed a staple of all great defenses. Nice to see our D making some of those kinds of plays this year. (We made some last year, just not consistently.) Big-game, championship defenses do that kind of thing. I hope it keeps up.

Crushaholic · 10-16-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ludo21

Its not like the Cards O sucked too bad, they just went conservative and it bit them in the behind.

Martyball loses again.

Urlacher said in his post-game interview that they weren't blocking him by the end of the game. BIG MISTAKE!!!!!

Bronco Bob · 10-17-2006, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jth1331

The Cards offense was horrendus the 2nd half due to trying to run too much. They needed to pass more and spread it around like they were doing in the 1st half. Remember the 2002 Raiders? They won by spreading the ball around and passing for short yards. The Cards could've done that, but went to running, and that killed everything for them.

Every first down Denny tried to run the ball. Every first down Edge got
killed. But Denny just kept trying to run the ball on first down. Hell,
try a little play action once in a while.

10-16-2006, 09:29 PM	#1
Mediator12 OM analyst REAL Front Seven Bandwagon !!! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INDY Posts: 9,703 Adopt-a-Bronco: Malik Jackson	Why having a crappy offense matters? The Cardinals defense was unreal tonight. They allowed 168 yards, forced 6 TO's and made the Bears top ranked offense look offensive ALL NIGHT LONG. The Only thing they did not do is score (they had one overturned though). Otherwise, they were practically perfect allowing a FG. Guess what happened. The offense failed to make those TO's into points, the Bears defense smothered the Cards offense in the second half into two Defensive TD's, and the ST's missed two FG's and allowed a Punt return TD. 21 points from non-defensive team functions. That's the NFL. Not having a playoff Caliber offense is going to come back and bite this team in the ass, probably in the playoffs where they have sucked when they were actually productive during the regular season. All this talk of formula's fails to mention that they are simply generalizations, and it takes a whole team to win and just a few screwy plays to lose. Every game is different, every matchup different. It will take a decent offense to make the playoffs, let alone win another playoff game. Stop deceiving yourselves if you think this defense is going to average under 13 points a game for the whole year. If the offense does not score more than 12 points a game, the Broncos will be 10-6 at best and going to INDY all over again.

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10-16-2006, 09:37 PM	#2
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	Denny lost this game like the 98 nfc championship game, passing when up by 20 with 30 secs left in the 3rd. Then cards had the ball with 11 min left up by 13 and run 45 secs or so off with 3 plays.

10-16-2006, 09:44 PM	#3
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,283	that's funny, on the other hand, Chicagos offense was pure crap and they're defense won the game for them (that snd some sort of magic that causes two perfect fumble bounces, one that should have been blown dead, and a probowl kicker missing 2 fieldgoals inculdeing the game winner). Actually, if you check the stats, the inferior offense won that game. So this game isn't a very good example of crappy offense costing the game.

10-16-2006, 09:45 PM	#4
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,985 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	Its not like the Cards O sucked too bad, they just went conservative and it bit them in the behind. Martyball loses again.

10-16-2006, 09:47 PM	#5
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	The Bears' offense was equally horrible, and yet their defense scored the points for them in this game. So according to this game your defense can win the game for you when your offense not only stalls out, but when you commit 6 turnovers.

10-16-2006, 09:48 PM	#6
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,985 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	timing on the TO's is also important. The Bears got them when it counted, (like the Broncos) and the Cards got a bunch when the game was still in hand.

10-16-2006, 09:50 PM	#8
bronco militia Ring of Famer THE GREATEST Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: colorado springs, co Posts: 22,716	yes and no....IMO, the difference for the cards was last years best kicker in football choked two weeks in row

10-16-2006, 09:51 PM	#9
DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,988 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius "Fluff"	I've always believe that if you out score the other team you win, even if your O has 6 turnovers from your starting QB. If Plummer does that and we lose, put the kid in.

10-16-2006, 09:55 PM	#12
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,985 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	36 att. 55, yards. Id say they tried. Passing was what was working, they went away from it and lost. 6 TO's and they only scored 13 points from it. Not good.

10-16-2006, 10:04 PM	#13
TheChamp24 DERP DERP DERP The Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Broncos Country Posts: 4,905	The Cards offense was horrendus the 2nd half due to trying to run too much. They needed to pass more and spread it around like they were doing in the 1st half. Remember the 2002 Raiders? They won by spreading the ball around and passing for short yards. The Cards could've done that, but went to running, and that killed everything for them.

10-16-2006, 10:13 PM	#15
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,792	You watch the game, Mediator? Just wondering. See, the Cards had a 20-3 lead in the second half... then a 23-10 lead. Two fluke defensive plays got the Bears back into the game. What, now 23 points isn't good enough? Not a surprise on a forum where a large contingent believes that you win football games by first getting into a huge hole, and then having to overcome that large lead with a basketball score in order to win. Offense matters, but like someone else said... not really a good example to use to make your point.