Why do the Buffalo's suck so bad?

[ZONA]

I followed the team alot when I used to live in COSPRINGS but sort of lost touch over the years. I've watched some of their games the past few years and it always seems like they get crushed. They used to be a college power house and now they are probably not one of the top 30 teams. What's going on up there? Were all the sex scandels that damaging?

[Kaylore]

Barnett was a good coach but poor at recruiting. Hawk is installing a system that isn't really built around Barnett's system. They are in transition and will be down until players and Hawk meet.

There are many good posts on this subject already in the College football forum, which is where this thread belongs.

[RhymesayersDU]

As long as we get their kicker, they can suck as much as they want.

[Rocket 7]

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

As long as we get their kicker, they can suck as much as they want.

Katie Hnida did go to UNM....wait you meant the Broncos sorry

[RhymesayersDU]

Lobos suck so freakin' bad. They should play the Buffs in the Toilet Bowl at the end of the season.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Barnett was a good coach but poor at recruiting. Hawk is installing a system that isn't really built around Barnett's system. They are in transition and will be down until players and Hawk meet.

Barnett was also way too loyal to inept assistants. It took him forever to finally fire Okruch and Watson left when Barnett did.

[BroncoMatt]

I miss the good old days

[BroncoBuff]

Because they're trying to be just like you, ZONA.

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by ZONA

They used to be a college power house

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by ZONA

They used to be a college power house

Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

I hope you're not even dreaming of being serious about this little emoticon, loke....

Time to school you ... ...

We went into New Year's 2002 BCS day with a realistic chance at the National Championship just 4 1/2 years ago .... not to mention FIVE Top-10 finishes under McCartney (including an 11-0 #1 ranked Orange Bowl in 1989/90), one Top Ten finish under Neuheisel (the fake punt vs. Oregon in the Cotton), one under Barnett 4 1/2 years ago - PLUS we won the National Championship in 1990/91. Hell- OOOO?!?!

Before that, we finished #3 in the nation in 1971/72 ... went to two Orange Bowls in the 60s and 70s ... a Sugar Bowl (1957), and I think Cotton Bowl too in the 50s and 60s - back when Bowl Games were much tougher to come by.

We have a Heisman Trophy winner (Rashaan Salaam) ... a runnerup (Byron White) and a #6 Heisman finish just 4 years ago (Chris Brown.)

Any list of TOP 20 college football programs in the last 10, 25, or even 50 years must include the Colorado Buffaloes.






You can stop scratching your head like a dim bulb now, Florida - because now you know better.

[BroncoBuff]

Learn, dammit .... LEARN!

[BroncoBuff]

Q: How many college programs have had an All-American player who went on to win a Masters and a U.S. Open in golf?









A: One - us. Hale Irwin, knothead.

[BroncoBuff]

Q: How many college programs have had an All-American player who went on to become a United States Supreme Court Justice?









A: One - us. Byron White, knothead.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I hope you're not even dreaming of being serious about this little emoticon, loke....

Time to school you ... ...

We went into New Year's 2002 BCS day with a realistic chance at the National Championship just 4 1/2 years ago .... not to mention FIVE Top-10 finishes under McCartney (including an 11-0 #1 ranked Orange Bowl in 1989/90), one Top Ten finish under Neuheisel (the fake punt vs. Oregon in the Cotton), one under Barnett 4 1/2 years ago - PLUS we won the National Championship in 1990/91. Hell- OOOO?!?!

Before that, we finished #3 in the nation in 1971/72 ... went to two Orange Bowls in the 60s and 70s ... a Sugar Bowl (1957), and I think Cotton Bowl too in the 50s and 60s - back when Bowl Games were much tougher to come by.

We have a Heisman Trophy winner (Rashaan Salaam) ... a runnerup (Byron White) and a #6 Heisman finish just 4 years ago (Chris Brown.)

Any list of TOP 20 college football programs in the last 10, 25, or even 50 years must include the Colorado Buffaloes.






You can stop scratching your head like a dim bulb now, Florida - because now you know better.

It took CU a extra down to help them win that NC. CU has been a pretty damn good team over the years but for those reason's you listed alone don't make them a national power. NU, OSU, OU, UT, UM, FSU, PSU, Mich, and USC have done much, much more then CU.

[Master___Pain]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

It took CU a extra down to help them win that NC.

And how exactly is that CU's fault? There were plenty of things f'd up in Columbia that day, the "5th down" referee error seems to get the bulk of the attention. No one mentions that ****ty field that was like a skating rink. NU even filled a formal complaint about the condition of Farout Field that year.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

And how exactly is that CU's fault? There were plenty of things f'd up in Columbia that day, the "5th down" referee error seems to get the bulk of the attention. No one mentions that ****ty field that was like a skating rink. NU even filled a formal complaint about the condition of Farout Field that year.

Did I say that was CU's fault? I just said if that play was called right CU doesn't go on to win the NC that year. Simple as that. I also never ever believe CU was a bad program but it isn't a national power and I think you would agree with that. More often then not its a top 25 school and thats something to be proud of.

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

CU has been a pretty damn good team over the years but for those reason's you listed alone don't make them a national power. NU, OSU, OU, UT, UM, FSU, PSU, Mich, and USC have done much, much more then CU.

Couldn't have said it better myself. CU has been a good team over the years, but they're no powerhouse. Sorry Buff, but you're homering out a bit bro.

[Master___Pain]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Did I say that was CU's fault? I just said if that play was called right CU doesn't go on to win the NC that year. Simple as that. I also never ever believe CU was a bad program but it isn't a national power and I think you would agree with that. More often then not its a top 25 school and thats something to be proud of.

So CU would have spiked the ball on 4th down if the refs had not screwed up? Come on man, you sound like a Mizzery fan.

Also, for what it's worth CU is #15 in All time wins in CFB history. I think that's something to hang the hat on if you are going to talk about staying power. Now I'll agree that CU is not a Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame or NU in terms of National powerhouses, but to dismiss them and not acknowledge that CU has been a top CFB program over the years is naive.

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

Also, for what it's worth CU is #15 in All time wins in CFB history. I think that's something to hang the hat on if you are going to talk about staying power. Now I'll agree that CU is not a Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame or NU in terms of National powerhouses, but to dismiss them and not acknowledge that CU has been a top CFB program over the years is naive.

That's exactly what I'm saying. They've been a consistently good team for a long time, but they're not what you'd call a powerhouse.

[shakenbake]

They are easily in the top 20 to 25 discussion. Go through and look at the teams conference by conference and find 25 teams you would put ahead of CU.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by Master___Pain

So CU would have spiked the ball on 4th down if the refs had not screwed up? Come on man, you sound like a Mizzery fan.

Also, for what it's worth CU is #15 in All time wins in CFB history. I think that's something to hang the hat on if you are going to talk about staying power. Now I'll agree that CU is not a Michigan, Alabama, Notre Dame or NU in terms of National powerhouses, but to dismiss them and not acknowledge that CU has been a top CFB program over the years is naive.

I think you are so missing what Im trying to say. I never claimed CU wasn't a good program. I've seen some good teams over the years. As for the Mizzu game things would have been alot different had they got the down right. Does that mean CU couldn't have scored instead of spiking the ball? Only god knows that. As for CU's year this year, I like other NU fans are taking it with a grain of salt. New coach equals new system. Hawk doesn't have his players for his system yet, ala what was going on with Cally (even though CU fans jumped our asses for sucking). Now this should be a good NU team. I expect no more then 2 loses for us this year, otherwise its a wasted year. Next year should be a BCS game for us, even more so with a true top flight QB in Keller. He alone should help NU start the year in the top 10. Thats my opinion, take it for what it is.

[shakenbake]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

Next year should be a BCS game for us, even more so with a true top flight QB in Keller. He alone should help NU start the year in the top 10. Thats my opinion, take it for what it is.

do you think NU will be able to get past TX or OU for that BCS game. I don't see either of those programs dropping off over the next few years. The recruiting class Texas has lined up right now is ridiculously talented.

[DBroncos4life]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

do you think NU will be able to get past TX or OU for that BCS game. I don't see either of those programs dropping off over the next few years. The recruiting class Texas has lined up right now is ridiculously talented.

It depends. If NU wins the North like I feel they should every year they should get to play both UT and OU that year or atleast get a shot at UT twice next year. Its not like the talent we bring in sucks, they just aren't all 5 stars like UT and OU. Players have to make plays though just because you bring in 20 5 star players doesn't mean you are a lock to be the best team in the world. It all depends on Keller next year though. We have the talent on O for him to shine next year.

[Master___Pain]

Originally Posted by DBroncos4life

I think you are so missing what Im trying to say. I never claimed CU wasn't a good program. I've seen some good teams over the years. As for the Mizzu game things would have been alot different had they got the down right. Does that mean CU couldn't have scored instead of spiking the ball? Only god knows that. As for CU's year this year, I like other NU fans are taking it with a grain of salt. New coach equals new system. Hawk doesn't have his players for his system yet, ala what was going on with Cally (even though CU fans jumped our asses for sucking). Now this should be a good NU team. I expect no more then 2 loses for us this year, otherwise its a wasted year. Next year should be a BCS game for us, even more so with a true top flight QB in Keller. He alone should help NU start the year in the top 10. Thats my opinion, take it for what it is.

I don't think I ever accused you of saying that CU was not a good program. There's a top tier of about ten or so teams, then the next tier of ten
or so teams in terms of all time prowess. CU falls into that second tier.

Side note/observation on Keller. I really think that ASU made a colossal mistake letting him go/forcing him out. Carpenter has looked terrible this year. I really think that Mark Helfrich (CU's OC and QB coach and former ASU QB coach) is missed in Tempe. While Carpenter has regressed, Bernard Jackson has developed right in front of our eyes in the last 4 games. It's been pretty remarkable. Back on point, I wonder how much Helfrich helped Keller and if Keller will regress or continue to progress at NU. I guess we'll find out next season.

[DBroncos4life]

Snake and Pain what odds do you give NU vs UT this year? That game will be Texas first road game of the year. I hope that I can score tickets to that one as well!!!