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Old 09-21-2006, 07:19 PM   #1
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Jason Giambi certainly wants to make sure everybody knows he's been playing with a bad wrist for the last month. Jason Giambi, who sat out 82 games in 2004 with a "viral infection" while he shed 40 pounds of BALCO weight and batted .208.

This has got to be the last guy in the world who has any business criticizing anybody, but he absolutely killed teammate Alex Rodriguez in Tom Verducci's SI article this week.

It should be noted, these quotes are five weeks old. SI sat on them until now. That means Giambi was kicking A-Rod when he was at his lowest.

What kills me is Giambi saying Rodriguez projects a "false confidence".

Gee, Jason, you mean like the false confidence performance enhancing drugs provide?

Giambi says A-Rod is too image conscious, but Giambi used to walk around the clubhouse flexing his phony BALCO muscles in a too-tight t-shirt that read, "Hit like an All-Star, Party like a Rock Star and Hammer like a Porn Star".

Sounds like a guy who's trying hard to project an image to me.

I think its pathetic often injured, confessed steroid cheats like Giambi and Sheffield get a pass, but an iron man who did things the right way like A-Rod is just getting killed in the stands and the media and even his own clubhouse.

If you ask me, the Yankees like to pin the blame on Alex whenever anything goes wrong. The guy was the AL MVP last year and his numbers this year are actually better than Giambi's.

Everybody wants to say he can't hit in the clutch, but his lifetime post season batting average is .305. He had a couple tough series and everybody is ready to kill the guy. Hell, Vlad Guerrero went 1-20 in the playoffs last year and nobody was calling him a choker.

I think most Yankee fans just have sick little man crushes on Jeter and deep down they've resented A-Rod from day one. I think A-Rod should just get out of there. Too many people want him to fail, including, apparently, people in his own clubhouse.

I think A-Rod is destined for the Big A next year. Arte Moreno has the cash to make it happen and the Angels have the players and prospects to give the Yankees full market value.

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Old 09-21-2006, 07:25 PM   #2
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maybe that's why they are working out sheffield (Ithink) for first base, cause balco boy can't play a whole season
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Sometimes your high character guys have to lay down the law Slappy.

Sounds alot like the Hugh Douglas fiasco with T.O.

Totally different circunstances, similiar results.
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I agree 100%, slap.
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A-Rod is batting .284 with 34 HR's and 116 RBI's and that's a down year for him. His contract has made him a lightning rod since the minute he signed it, but to get it from guys in your own locker room is just laughable. Especially when the person throwing out criticism is one of the BALCO boys like Giambi.

Funny, I don't remember anyone from the Yankees clubhouse ripping Giambi last year when his production was in the toilet while he was detoxing from the cocktail of steroids that inflated his numbers and landed him $20 million per season. Giambi was such a team guy that he refused to be assigned to AAA to work out his problems at the plate at that time.

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Old 09-21-2006, 08:07 PM   #6
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1st let me say that i happen to be a die hard bronco fan as well as a yankee fan as well. ala the name.

i have to give you guys a little more insight about what was behind this whole thing. 1st when steroid boy went into that slump after getting off the roids that he never admitted to,, that he took, there wasnt one person here in NY that wasnt calling for his head. myself included. torre stroked giambi until it turned ugly and the team was being affected. that is when torre the manager and cashman the GM went into the office with him and started to get on his case even suggesting that he go down to the minors, It was the speech that he woke up if not for hgh or whatever that is when he came out of this slump.
that being said onto arod. Arod has a world of talent. but the problem is that he sounds like he is scripted. and he cares about the stats more then anything. So that being said the reason why people dont really like him here is because he gets most of his stats at the times when it counts the least. against teams like Kansas city and when we are either way ahead of the team or way behind. never to take the lead. he has messed up more then any other person on the team when there is a high pressure situation.
it has been so ugly and believe me i watch how bad he looks at the plate that people were suggesting that in the month of august that the yanks had a pitcher in the #5 whole. i mean come on i dont care who it is if youstrike out 11 times in a row and dont even get the ball out of the infield in the next three at bats you have to say something isnt right.

SO finally that is when this whole mess started. they elected steroid boy to be the one to say it to him because he was one of the only ones that would talk to him. i mean its real bad in the club house with him. So that is also why they wanted giambi to talk to him because that is what worked with giambi. the whole stop the craddling thing needed to stop and now he is doing much better and it worked. its all over the news. TRUST me everyone knows whats going on over here with this. that .305 batting avg is decieving. what it doesnt show is that when the yanks played the twins the one year is where he got those stats from and then choked where it count most to most yankee fans during the red sox series of course. he got a hit or 2 when it dodnt really count and then he says with his defense with his stats.

also what that article shows is that when arod was confronted with this stuff he threw giambi and mike mussina under the bus (ala peyton manning and his o-line) by saying that no one says anything to them when they do bad. where he is wrong about that is yes yankee fans killed him for a long time. and moose doesnt do that bad from time to time warrant an a$$ whooping.
arod will be traded sad to say. so that is just part of the thing now u guys know everything what is going on. oh yes sheff wanted to play 1st base because everyone knows steroid boy (fellow) that he suked in teh field and abreu is great all around. that was his only chance to play with us affter the wrist injury.

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1st let me say that i happen to be a die hard bronco fan as well as a yankee fan as well. ala the name.

i have to give you guys a little more insight about what was behind this whole thing. 1st when steroid boy went into that slump after getting off the roids that he never admitted to,, that he took, there wasnt one person here in NY that wasnt calling for his head. myself included. torre stroked giambi until it turned ugly and the team was being affected. that is when torre the manager and cashman the GM went into the office with him and started to get on his case even suggesting that he go down to the minors, It was the speech that he woke up if not for hgh or whatever that is when he came out of this slump.
that being said onto arod. Arod has a world of talent. but the problem is that he sounds like he is scripted. and he cares about the stats more then anything. So that being said the reason why people dont really like him here is because he gets most of his stats at the times when it counts the least. against teams like Kansas city and when we are either way ahead of the team or way behind. never to take the lead. he has messed up more then any other person on the team when there is a high pressure situation.
it has been so ugly and believe me i watch how bad he looks at the plate that people were suggesting that in the month of august that the yanks had a pitcher in the #5 whole. i mean come on i dont care who it is if youstrike out 11 times in a row and dont even get the ball out of the infield in the next three at bats you have to say something isnt right.

SO finally that is when this whole mess started. they elected steroid boy to be the one to say it to him because he was one of the only ones that would talk to him. i mean its real bad in the club house with him. So that is also why they wanted giambi to talk to him because that is what worked with giambi. the whole stop the craddling thing needed to stop and now he is doing much better and it worked. its all over the news. TRUST me everyone knows whats going on over here with this. that .305 batting avg is decieving. what it doesnt show is that when the yanks played the twins the one year is where he got those stats from and then choked where it count most to most yankee fans during the red sox series of course. he got a hit or 2 when it dodnt really count and then he says with his defense with his stats.

also what that article shows is that when arod was confronted with this stuff he threw giambi and mike mussina under the bus (ala peyton manning and his o-line) by saying that no one says anything to them when they do bad. where he is wrong about that is yes yankee fans killed him for a long time. and moose doesnt do that bad from time to time warrant an a$$ whooping.
arod will be traded sad to say. so that is just part of the thing now u guys know everything what is going on. oh yes sheff wanted to play 1st base because everyone knows steroid boy (fellow) that he suked in teh field and abreu is great all around. that was his only chance to play with us affter the wrist injury.

GO BRONCOS
See, I cannot trust you about this because you are a Yankee fan and you people are a large part of the problem. There have always been players like Ed Whitson and Kenny Rogers who didn't perform well in New York. The problem is once someone starts struggling the fans and media just fall on him like wolves.

I think the Yankees have turned into a bunch of chicken****s who are looking for someone to blame. So, A-Rod was the reason the team with the $200 million payroll couldn't get it done the last two years. What about the three years before that? Who did they blame then?

I think its funny that Moose has an ERA of 4.50 in 2004 and 2005 and Unit's ERA was over 5.00 most of this season, but they collected their $15 to $18 million with very little criticism.

If you want to point fingers, look at the front office. They let the bullpen, the backbone of their last dynasty, wither and die and the rotation has turned into a joke, too.
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Old 09-21-2006, 09:18 PM   #8
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See, I cannot trust you about this because you are a Yankee fan and you people are a large part of the problem. There have always been players like Ed Whitson and Kenny Rogers who didn't perform well in New York. The problem is once someone starts struggling the fans and media just fall on him like wolves.

I think the Yankees have turned into a bunch of chicken****s who are looking for someone to blame. So, A-Rod was the reason the team with the $200 million payroll couldn't get it done the last two years. What about the three years before that? Who did they blame then?

I think its funny that Moose has an ERA of 4.50 in 2004 and 2005 and Unit's ERA was over 5.00 most of this season, but they collected their $15 to $18 million with very little criticism.

If you want to point fingers, look at the front office. They let the bullpen, the backbone of their last dynasty, wither and die and the rotation has turned into a joke, too.

1st i wasnt rude or anyhting of that nature so why you insisted to say "you" being a yankee fan is the reason is beyond me. i understand that you would know more about this team then i would considering i have to live and hear about it everyday and you dont being in las vegas. SO the media and the fans are to blame here and that is why? i cant believe this. try to have a decent conversation with someone about the yanks and its impossible. are you sure you arent from the northeast>?? its been 3 years that arod has been doing this. i am sorry once again for just trying to clarify the facts around here in NY. I can honestly tell you that there are decent fans in every organizations in every sport. why you put this out there against me is beyond me. i was just simply explaining the whole situation that the article does not show. there are other things to it. sorry if you have to hate on them. again no one is "blaming" arod. where did you get that from>? i never said that. i just simply stated why people do not like him. 3 years before that there wasnt a peep after 9/11 when we lost to the diamondbacks. it was a great series played by 2 classy organizations with great teams. where did you get that from>?? regarding moose and the unit. the unit has been under heavey scrutiny here by the media since the run in with the reporter. a lot of people have criticised him. regarding moose he had his fair share when he threw people under the bus in the playoffs a while back so i really dont know where you are getting your info from but its not a great source.

And where did i say i want to blame someone?? again i dont know where this is coming from to be pointed at me when all i did was explain the whole situation for what it was. hey if you hate the yanks thats cool with me, i hear that a lot. but i never indinuated a argument with you or for that matter try to blame anyone for what was happening. the post taht i wrote was simply replying to what some others wrote about on this thread. not pointing out fingers at anyone. oh and in regards to the 2004 series it was a team loss and yes there was some bad apples then as well.
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PS the bullpen- you are reffering to was depleted when wettland retired, stanton and nelson showed there age after 99 and 00, and they couldnt be replaced. that was the one thing i forgot to comment on in your post. now its better.
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My point is that criticism from a fraud like Giambi has no merit at all. None.

Again, did A-Rod rip into Giambi last year while he was winning the A.L. MVP and Giambi's career appeared to be circling the drain? Of course not.

Maybe BALCO boy is just jealous because he has to jab a needle into his ass twice a day in order to do anything noteworthy in baseball, while it all just comes naturally to A-Rod.
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Old 09-21-2006, 10:07 PM   #11
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If the Yankees don't want him...ship him to the Madres...although at even half of his current salary A-Rod still costs more than the Madres starting lineup.

I wouldn't mind his sort of suckage manning third base at Petco.
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1st i wasnt rude or anyhting of that nature so why you insisted to say "you" being a yankee fan is the reason is beyond me. i understand that you would know more about this team then i would considering i have to live and hear about it everyday and you dont being in las vegas. SO the media and the fans are to blame here and that is why? i cant believe this. try to have a decent conversation with someone about the yanks and its impossible. are you sure you arent from the northeast>?? its been 3 years that arod has been doing this. i am sorry once again for just trying to clarify the facts around here in NY. I can honestly tell you that there are decent fans in every organizations in every sport. why you put this out there against me is beyond me. i was just simply explaining the whole situation that the article does not show. there are other things to it. sorry if you have to hate on them. again no one is "blaming" arod. where did you get that from>? i never said that. i just simply stated why people do not like him. 3 years before that there wasnt a peep after 9/11 when we lost to the diamondbacks. it was a great series played by 2 classy organizations with great teams. where did you get that from>?? regarding moose and the unit. the unit has been under heavey scrutiny here by the media since the run in with the reporter. a lot of people have criticised him. regarding moose he had his fair share when he threw people under the bus in the playoffs a while back so i really dont know where you are getting your info from but its not a great source.

And where did i say i want to blame someone?? again i dont know where this is coming from to be pointed at me when all i did was explain the whole situation for what it was. hey if you hate the yanks thats cool with me, i hear that a lot. but i never indinuated a argument with you or for that matter try to blame anyone for what was happening. the post taht i wrote was simply replying to what some others wrote about on this thread. not pointing out fingers at anyone. oh and in regards to the 2004 series it was a team loss and yes there was some bad apples then as well.
I don't hate the Yankees, Yankee fans in general, or you in particular. I just call them like I see them and its no secret the New York fans and media have buried more than one struggling athlete. Just because someone is closer to a situation it doesn't mean they always have the best perspective. Fans have a hard time seeing the forest for the trees at times. Being immersed in the middle of three newspapers and however many radio shows all over analyzing this thing doesn't help matters.

I think many Yankee fans have always sort of resented A-Rod because of the constant comparisons to Jeter and I think the fans, and now the team, have decided he's going to be the scapegoat when things go wrong. Its fine if you disagree with me, but you're not liable to dissuade me.

I'm not sure what you mean about those bullpen guys being irreplaceable, but that's why George has spent over a billion dollars chasing his next championship. If they don't get the pitching straightened out, he'll spend a billion more.
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A-Rod is batting .284 with 34 HR's and 116 RBI's and that's a down year for him. His contract has made him a lightning rod since the minute he signed it, but to get it from guys in your own locker room is just laughable. Especially when the person throwing out criticism is one of the BALCO boys like Giambi.

Funny, I don't remember anyone from the Yankees clubhouse ripping Giambi last year when his production was in the toilet while he was detoxing from the cocktail of steroids that inflated his numbers and landed him $20 million per season. Giambi was such a team guy that he refused to be assigned to AAA to work out his problems at the plate at that time.

As always, consider the source.

And suddenly he's back. I'd REALLY like to get some blood samples from Giambi now to test the day they have an accurate HGH test.
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