John Abraham still playing it safe

[Clockwork Orange]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9690339

Down in Atlanta, it looks as if defensive end John Abraham's groin is taking a while to heal. Abraham did not practice again Wednesday and is listed as questionable for Sunday's game against the Arizona Cardinals. Abraham also was listed as questionable for Monday night's game versus the Saints, and the defensive end never even made the trip to New Orleans.

One NFL general manager said there never have been doubts about Abraham's abilities; those are immense. The questions are about his durability. In three of his first six seasons with the New York Jets, Abraham failed to play in all 16 games. Already this season, Abraham has missed two more.

Without Abraham, the Falcons defense is missing its biggest disrupting force and the most intimidating presence along the defensive line.


Can't be too careful, right John?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Just think, Broncos could have given up their first round choice and more for this POS.

[Man-Goblin]

He must be thinking about his NEXT contract...

[-Slap-]

Fag.

[-Slap-]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...hlight=abraham

[Merlin]

Where are all the lovers that wanted to give-up a first round choice?

[rbackfactory80]

Well when on the field he can be as good as anybody. IE game 1 of the season, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and 5 tackles.

[Pendejo]

I'm glad that the Donks were able to butt into the Abraham deal, and wind up with Cutler.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

Well when on the field he can be as good as anybody. IE game 1 of the season, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and 5 tackles.

"Aye, and if my Grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon."

[fontaine]

Meanwhile, Andre Carter (the other DE we wanted) has 5 tackles, 0 sacks after the first three games and is a liability against the run.

It looks like we dodged some major bullets there.

[-Slap-]

But we'll never go anywhere unless we commit huge dollars to the defensive line.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by rbackfactory80

Well when on the field he can be as good as anybody. IE game 1 of the season, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and 5 tackles.

Three quarters.

The season will be 25% over on Sunday and this chronic malingerer will have chipped in three quarters of football.

[eddie mac]

Originally Posted by fontaine

Meanwhile, Andre Carter (the other DE we wanted) has 5 tackles, 0 sacks after the first three games and is a liability against the run.

It looks like we dodged some major bullets there.

Thing is though Denver were interested in both players and may well have signed them if the asking prices weren't so high.

[fontaine]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

But we'll never go anywhere unless we commit huge dollars to the defensive line.

Thing is though Denver were interested in both players and may well have signed them if the asking prices weren't so high.

I agree, kind of. Carter was flat out overpaid by Snyder so what else is new. We do need to spend more resources on the DL but Myers/Warren are pretty solid. I think the draft is the way to go personally because usually the DL that make it out to free agency are guys with question marks around them.

Chicago are a great example. They built through the draft and didn't necessarily need blue chip prospects at every position. Two of their starting guys developed into solid players and they traded for O-Gun. Same with San Diego who drafted their guys in the late first, 2nd rounds etc.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...hlight=abraham

Ouch. I'm glad I didn't get involved in that discussion.

[watermock]

And just think...we could of had Abraham instead of Cutler and Walker.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by watermock

And just think...we could of had Abraham instead of Cutler and Walker.

Could have had Abraham, TO, Ricky, and Andre Carter also. The Foolsome Foursome.

[rbackfactory80]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

"Aye, and if my Grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon."

I get your point, but that might be a little bit of a stretch.

[rovolution]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Could have had Abraham, TO, Ricky, and Andre Carter also. The Foolsome Foursome.

Who did we want first? Ricky W or Jamal L? I cant remember

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by rovolution

Who did we want first? Ricky W or Jamal L? I cant remember

Hell, who knows? There was such hysterics going on, I couldn't follow it all, And there's still all kinds of hysteria over a 2-1 team that looks solid to me. The return game is the only question mark, and it's only game four coming up.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by rovolution

Who did we want first? Ricky W or Jamal L? I cant remember

Williams was just a rumor for all we know. I don't believe that the Broncos ever actually got around to making an offer for him before he got suspended.

Lewis, on the other hand, was scheduled for a visit before the Ratbirds threw that 3 year contract worth $25 million at him.

[Popps]

Problem is, Abraham was probably more productive in the one game he did play than all of our ends combined, so far.

He's fragile, no question.... and with 20/20 hindsight glasses on, doesn't look like a great signing............................. right now. We'll see when the season plays out. They probably overpaid for him.

Then again, you could have said the same thing about Walker. Yet, Bronco fans strangely seem to be all behind this guy now. A few months ago, people were jumping off of buildings in denver at the thought of actually opening up the checkbook a little and paying a guy what they're worth.

Let me ask you a question.... do you think it's a major coincidence that our best defensive player is also our highest paid?

Now, let's look at the offense. Looks like Walker might be well on his way to being our most valuable weapon. Oddly, another guy on a big contract.

Crazy that we actually have to pay guys well that play well from time to time, huh?

But, not on the defensive line. Nooooooooo, no. Scrubs and cast-offs ONLY.
See, that line of reasoning has been so successful, we've had exactly one highly productive DE in the last decade, and we kicked him out of town as soon as he wanted a pay-raise.

Abraham might be a bust. He might miss a few games, then come back and produce at a high level. But, the fact remains that... if not him, somewhere along the line, this team has needed to get serious about the front four, and we just refuse to do so.

Hence, we've had a ****ty pass rush and marginal play up front for a decade. But, don't rock that boat, right?

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Popps

Problem is, Abraham was probably more productive in the one game he did play than all of our ends combined, so far.

He's fragile, no question.... and with 20/20 hindsight glasses on, doesn't look like a great signing............................. right now. We'll see when the season plays out. They probably overpaid for him.

Then again, you could have said the same thing about Walker. Yet, Bronco fans strangely seem to be all behind this guy now. A few months ago, people were jumping off of buildings in denver at the thought of actually opening up the checkbook a little and paying a guy what they're worth.

Let me ask you a question.... do you think it's a major coincidence that our best defensive player is also our highest paid?

Now, let's look at the offense. Looks like Walker might be well on his way to being our most valuable weapon. Oddly, another guy on a big contract.

Crazy that we actually have to pay guys well that play well from time to time, huh?

But, not on the defensive line. Nooooooooo, no. Scrubs and cast-offs ONLY.
See, that line of reasoning has been so successful, we've had exactly one highly productive DE in the last decade, and we kicked him out of town as soon as he wanted a pay-raise.

Abraham might be a bust. He might miss a few games, then come back and produce at a high level. But, the fact remains that... if not him, somewhere along the line, this team has needed to get serious about the front four, and we just refuse to do so.

Hence, we've had a ****ty pass rush and marginal play up front for a decade. But, don't rock that boat, right?

How many D players do you want to make the highest paid at their position in the League? Bowlen/Shanahan don't Franchise players, never have done that a single time. The org pays their players, so how many do you want to wrap up long term? Can't have them all, make your choice.

[Xenos]

Originally Posted by fontaine

I agree, kind of. Carter was flat out overpaid by Snyder so what else is new. We do need to spend more resources on the DL but Myers/Warren are pretty solid. I think the draft is the way to go personally because usually the DL that make it out to free agency are guys with question marks around them.

Chicago are a great example. They built through the draft and didn't necessarily need blue chip prospects at every position. Two of their starting guys developed into solid players and they traded for O-Gun. Same with San Diego who drafted their guys in the late first, 2nd rounds etc.

We have a winner! This is my opinion as well. FA can sometimes be just as risky as the draft and more expensive. Spending money wisely is also key especially since the creation of the salary cap. By growing your team with the draft you can save money and get the same level of production. Granted, sometimes it may take a little longer, but it's better than being in cap hell every year like the Raiders and Redskins.
Some of the better teams in the league (I'm going by the last few years as opposed to this year) have done that and they have remained competitive each year. The Patriots won three superbowls using this strategy. The Steelers have managed to make the playoffs almost every year. The Eagles also followed a similar strategy until they decided to take a risk and bring in a big name FA...TO.
The downside to this strategy is that it can't prevent players from getting too greedy and wanting more ie. Deion Branch. The Pats may suffer this year but because of their scouting ability, they'll be a strong team again.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

How many D players do you want to make the highest paid at their position in the League? Bowlen/Shanahan don't Franchise players, never have done that a single time. The org pays their players, so how many do you want to wrap up long term? Can't have them all, make your choice.

How's this... over the course of 10 years........ I'd like to take the defensive line seriously one time, particularly the end spots. Be it through the draft or FA, at least TRY to solidify the positions with something besides cast-offs and has-beens. Then, when you DO land a Bert Berry, just pay the guy a little bit and keep him around.

The problem with this "we can't pay guys" line of reasoning is that I've been hearing it about the D-line for 10 years. Yet, we can blow multiple 1st picks on CBs, WRs... and even OL. But, we can't, one time in a decade make a serious run at a dominant defensive linemen?

Shanny sure had no problem trading up for a QB when he saw one he liked.

Again, we can disagree on philosophy, but what we have done on the defensive line over the past decade simply has NOT worked.

I will say this, they finally got lucky digging through the garbage dumpster and landed Warren, and were at least smart enough to pay the guy properly and lock him up.