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Old 09-26-2006, 10:14 PM   #1
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I'm re-watching the Saints game, and I can't tell you guys how stupid the Chargers FO is. Brees is accurate, makes good throws and is quite athletic. I still think they sent the wrong QB packing.

I think Brees will do more to help turn the Saints around than any other acquisition they had last offseason, but because he came the same year as Bush, Bush will get the credit.

Anyway, just thought I throw props to a very good QB who had a very good game.
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I'm going to wait and see what Rivers can do before I'll say which QB they should have kept, but I know that if they were planning on going with Rivers, which they were, they should have tried to trade Breez. Going with Rivers and getting something for Breez would be a lot smarter than going with Rivers and getting nothing for Breez.
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I think Brees will do more to help turn the Saints around than any other acquisition they had last offseason, but because he came the same year as Bush, Bush will get the credit.
Deuce McCallister also looks pretty good a year after his knee injury. I'd rather watch him run hard between the tackles than Reggie Bush make a beeline for the sideline.
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I'm re-watching the Saints game, and I can't tell you guys how stupid the Chargers FO is. Brees is accurate, makes good throws and is quite athletic. I still think they sent the wrong QB packing.

I think Brees will do more to help turn the Saints around than any other acquisition they had last offseason, but because he came the same year as Bush, Bush will get the credit.

Anyway, just thought I throw props to a very good QB who had a very good game.
It would have been nice to keep Drew but he wanted 10 million guaranteed! It was too risky a move especially considering what happened to Pennington the previous season. AJ decided to go with the safe decision and I think he did the right thing. I just think Drew has too many limitations as a quarterback. He was too short and had to rely on his receivers running the right route in order to hit them. Did you know what he did during the summer of 2005? He practiced hitting his targets blindfolded. Freaky blindfolded!!! That's nice and all when you face horrendous teams like the Raiders and Bills, but when you face good defenses like the Steelers and Broncos, they're going to disrupt the passing pattern and you're going to suffer.
Another knock on Drew was his arm strength. No one is afraid of his arm. You think Jake has problems with the deep pass, you should take some time to look at Drew. If you look at most of the Chargers game with Drew, we rarely pass over 20 yards. Once we do try the deep ball, Drew's ball would always float and end up over/underthrown. The rare instances that he does connect with his receivers, they have to slow down to catch it ie. the 2005 Colts game and the 2004 Bucanneer game. I'm not saying Rivers' arm is that great either, but at least he can throw an accurate pass that goes farther than 20 yards and can hit his receivers in stride.
Another thing is that we saved a lot of money in the cap when we didn't sign Drew. Thus, we were able to sign important core guys like Hardwick, Olivea, Kaeding, and Jammer to long term deals without having to worry about cap issues. Keeping most of your core guys, especially when it comes to the O-line, is key to success in the NFL. Here's to hoping we lock up Dielman (our left guard) as well.
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I'm going to wait and see what Rivers can do before I'll say which QB they should have kept, but I know that if they were planning on going with Rivers, which they were, they should have tried to trade Breez. Going with Rivers and getting something for Breez would be a lot smarter than going with Rivers and getting nothing for Breez.
How could they have traded Brees without first signing him to a deal? It was his final year as a Charger under the franchise tag.
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What you don't understand is they couldn't pay both QB's mega money. Brees had zero cap implications.

New Orleans fell into a gold mine with Brees and Reggie Bush. They shouldn't of traded Stallworth tho.
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What you don't understand is they couldn't pay both QB's mega money. Brees had zero cap implications.

New Orleans fell into a gold mine with Brees and Reggie Bush. They shouldn't of traded Stallworth tho.
Stallworth apparently didn't want to be in NO, otherwise he wouldn't have been traded. Oh well, Colston is doing just fine there.
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It would have been nice to keep Drew but he wanted 10 million guaranteed! It was too risky a move especially considering what happened to Pennington the previous season.
How much money did you give to Rivers who is unproven again? You want to talk about risky? Brees gets that deal if you guys didn't sign Rivers.

At least with Brees he was a gamer and you knew what you were getting. Not to mention his players love him. I'd take the word of LT over your GM. I guess if Rivers turns out to be great, then it's all justified, but he hasn't wowed anyone yet.
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SD would of been paying about 20 percent of it's cap on QB's. Fact is they could trade Brees without a cap hit. They caught a second and NO got their QB.

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I'm re-watching the Saints game, and I can't tell you guys how stupid the Chargers FO is. Brees is accurate, makes good throws and is quite athletic. I still think they sent the wrong QB packing.

I think Brees will do more to help turn the Saints around than any other acquisition they had last offseason, but because he came the same year as Bush, Bush will get the credit.

Anyway, just thought I throw props to a very good QB who had a very good game.

I think ESPN's Bill Simmons made a similar note. That Ryan Leaf is the biggest draft bust. Not for sucking on his own..but for destroying a franchise.

For wasting the best years of LT by making their FO so skittish they drafted P Rivers, and not waiting for Brees...then getting stuck with that decision and sending Brees packing...only to have make LT muck through a couple years of growing pains.
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I remember watching Brees live in San Diego against us in a late season game. We lost a heart-wrencher, and Brees made some real key plays down the stretch. I remember thinking the kid had a little something more than your average QB. He's really turned out to be a nice player.
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How much money did you give to Rivers who is unproven again? You want to talk about risky? Brees gets that deal if you guys didn't sign Rivers.
We signed Rivers in the first place because Brees was horrible in 2003. After that signing, he got better because of the competition. This is just like the Cutler situation with you guys, except that Rivers actually had the benefit of sitting for two years. Whether Cutler sits this year or not, depends entirely on Jake's performance, just like it depended on Drew's.At least with Brees he was a gamer and you knew what you were getting. Not to mention his players love him. I'd take the word of LT over your GM.
Yes, I know what we got with Brees, just like many people here know what they got with Jake, and feel like they can never win a championship with him. It's the same for certain Chargers fans when it comes to Drew. We don't think that we can win the big one with him. Anyways, LT and all the players have accepted Rivers now. They may not love him as much as Brees yet, but he has won them over. That's the type of person that Rivers is though. Even during the two years where he never got a chance to start a game, he was still nice enough to not attempt any type of media controversy. The fact that Rivers and Brees are still friends after everything that's happened should tell you something more about Rivers.
I guess if Rivers turns out to be great, then it's all justified, but he hasn't wowed anyone yet.
Of course not. He's been sitting on the bench for two years. There are glimpses of possible things to come like that 38 yard laser pass to Eric Parker against the Raiders, plus his game against the Titans. The real test is when he has to face a really good defense in the Ravens and Steelers. I think he'll do quite well. He'll make mistakes just like Drew did, but he'll bounce back stronger than ever.
Oh and another thing. Drew's record against playoff opponents in 2004 (his best year) was 1-4 (W-L). While in 2005, it was only 4-4. He becomes more mistake prone when he has to take on stronger defenses. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Heck, you guys could be our mirror opposite from two years ago.
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I remember watching Brees live in San Diego against us in a late season game. We lost a heart-wrencher, and Brees made some real key plays down the stretch. I remember thinking the kid had a little something more than your average QB. He's really turned out to be a nice player.
He played horrible in that game. Almost as bad as Plummer did. Heck, he almost cost us the game with that fumble at the end.

That being said, he was a great guy. I don't think I've ever met a nicer football player. Haven't met Rivers in person yet though. I hope him all the best, but unless NO brings that level of emotion to every game they play this year, I can't see them doing much better than 8-8. Of course, with the way the Bucs and Panthers are playing, they just might have a chance. Too problems with the O-Line and their defense needs more help.

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SD would of been paying about 20 percent of it's cap on QB's. Fact is they could trade Brees without a cap hit. They caught a second and NO got their QB.
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Stallworth apparently didn't want to be in NO, otherwise he wouldn't have been traded. Oh well, Colston is doing just fine there.

Too true, though he might have needed a change in scenery.

But that offense with Bush a WR/RB, Horn used as a decoy, Stallworth deep, and Colston being a WR/TE...

That's pretty formidable. Throw in Deuce and you have a pretty multifaceted attack with 3 WR sets.
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He was too short and had to rely on his receivers running the right route in order to hit them
I see the point now. It's better to have QB who can check off to receivers running around willynilly.

I take the rest of your obversations without much problem. But the above statement was silly. A QB should absolutely expect his receivers to run the right route. If they don't, any bad result should lie on them as they didn't execute.
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Stallworth apparently didn't want to be in NO, otherwise he wouldn't have been traded. Oh well, Colston is doing just fine there.
He was traded because NO felt they were in need of a linebacker and Philly was in need of a WO.

Stallworth had nothing to do with requesting a move.
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I'm re-watching the Saints game, and I can't tell you guys how stupid the Chargers FO is. Brees is accurate, makes good throws and is quite athletic. I still think they sent the wrong QB packing.

I think Brees will do more to help turn the Saints around than any other acquisition they had last offseason, but because he came the same year as Bush, Bush will get the credit.

Anyway, just thought I throw props to a very good QB who had a very good game.
Yeah, he's pretty awesome ... but what's a brother gonna do?

He had a bad shoulder - and you've already paid and groomed foir two years - a very high 1st round rfanchise QB pick (who looks pretty damn good too imo)

They were stuck. Next year it could happen to us, too. Plummer could go to - say - the Jets or somebody, and rack up some quick victories.

Jake's no Drew Brees ... but you get my meaning.

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I see the point now. It's better to have QB who can check off to receivers running around willynilly.

I take the rest of your obversations without much problem. But the above statement was silly. A QB should absolutely expect his receivers to run the right route. If they don't, any bad result should lie on them as they didn't execute.
I think I didn't phrase it right. If he can't see the receiver, what happens if the receiver runs the wrong route or has his pattern disrupted? The QB has to be able to check his second and third options immediately. Not wait while the lanes clear so that he can get a good view of what's happening.

Also, it's kinda hard to throw slants if it takes more than 3 steps in order to pass.

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This is strange. Bronco fans praising a former Chargers player, while a Chargers fan is criticizing him.
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I'm re-watching the Saints game, and I can't tell you guys how stupid the Chargers FO is.
Way too early saying that. Chargers have put up a lot of points in their two games. I would've made the same decision as the FO. Brees was coming off of shoulder surgery and commanded big bucks. You have a younger player on the bench itching to play. Who knows how it will turn out, but Rivers has surprised me by his play so far.
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Way too early saying that. Chargers have put up a lot of points in their two games. I would've made the same decision as the FO. Brees was coming off of shoulder surgery and commanded big bucks. You have a younger player on the bench itching to play. Who knows how it will turn out, but Rivers has surprised me by his play so far.
I watched the entire Raider game and he made some nice throws. He also hardly threw, was playing wth a huge lead against a young defensive backfield against a horrible team. He has LT, Gates and that deadly defense to prop him up. He doesn't have many excuses.
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I'm re-watching the Saints game, and I can't tell you guys how stupid the Chargers FO is. Brees is accurate, makes good throws and is quite athletic. I still think they sent the wrong QB packing.

I think Brees will do more to help turn the Saints around than any other acquisition they had last offseason, but because he came the same year as Bush, Bush will get the credit.

Anyway, just thought I throw props to a very good QB who had a very good game.
That decision will come back an haunt the Chargers. I'm very happy for Drew he proved his worth and found a franchise that he can be a big part of turning around. I always wanted to cheer for Drew because he's a fellow Sigma Chi so I'm very glad hes out of the AFC west.
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I still have a very hard time thinking about the Saints as one of the better teams in NFC. However, the additions of Drew Brees and Reggie Bush have made this team thrive like it hasn't for a long time...
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I watched the entire Raider game and he made some nice throws. He also hardly threw, was playing wth a huge lead against a young defensive backfield against a horrible team. He has LT, Gates and that deadly defense to prop him up. He doesn't have many excuses.
So did I watch the same game. And so did Brees have the same weapons. They are 2-0 for what it's worth. You can't blame the charger FO for going with Rivers who is younger, bigger, healthy, and already is playing under a contract. Brees was coming off of torn labrum in his throwing shoulder. That's a huge gamble to pay big bucks to, especially his throwing shoulder. Brees, in general, still has problem making some passes with zip(pre-injury) IMO. And this is also Brees 5th surgery regarding football.
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