Has the Brandon Marshall Experiment Run it's Course? - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

anthonypacino · 09-21-2006, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

Easy buddy don't jump ship just yet. He had a great catch vs. Detroit and last week almost caught one across the middle in double coverage. They are slowly working him in and with Rod getting his bell rang up twice last week I expect more of a rotation this week.

He played saftey and WR in college, also some QB in HS. Hixon was mainly going to be used as a STeamer as Morgan will be. Our return game is about as good as our punting was a few years ago and it's causing us to lose field postion. DWill is too valuable to us as a CB to risk on returns and would tire him out too much, Champ was a excellent returner in college but is also to great a risk.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 09-21-2006, 08:32 AM

I figured we would see you here AP

Tom G · 09-21-2006, 08:41 AM

Marshall is an athletic freak. He is 6-4 and 1/2, 229, has been timed at 4.53,4.52,4.45 and 4.49 prior to the draft. He had a vertical jump of 37". He was H.S. state champion in the triple jump.

He was a 3 yr starter at WR and volunteered to play safety in his JR year to help the team. He led the team in tackles that year. He went back to WR in his senior year and caught74 passes for 1,195 yds and 11 TDs.

He was MVP of the Hula Bowl with 11 catches for 230 yds and 3 TDs. He was described as "a man amongst boys".

He did well in preseason and was being considered for #3 WR before he got hurt even tho he was a rookie.

I don't think we should cut him yet.

anthonypacino · 09-21-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Guy

I figured we would see you here AP

I"m all about giving the guy a chance, if he wasn't injured and just been sucking Watts style I would be the first one to help him pack his bags out of town. But it's only the 3rd game of the year and he's coming off a knee injury. JW had a whole year and a pre season to heal...he dropped a few in that first game too.

The first TD Marshall scores or big 3rd down conversion he grabs..all will be forgotten.

Steve Sewell · 09-21-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

Maybe we should take Champ Bailey's word for it?

Champ said early on that he couldn't believe that Marshall wasn't a first round draft pick.

I think he might be a pretty credible source. The kid injured his MCL and I don't think he was even active vs. St. Louis (I may be wrong about that). He had one very difficult pass thrown his way vs. KC.

cmhargrove · 09-21-2006, 09:12 AM

This is a goofy discussion, which is why I feel compelled to join.

By this season's stats, I think Carolina should dump Steve Smith as well. He's sucking it up worse than Plummer.

Marshall should come along, but as mentioned earlier, not if we are afraid to pass. However, I think we should be airing out to Javon several times a game, then the new guys can find a breath in the underneath routes.
Right now, we are passing it to a double covered Rod Smith instead of letting it fly towards our speed guys.

Either Plummer needs to grow his balls back (picks or not), or let the Rookie Rocket have a chance. No one will look good if we only try on obvious passing downs and obvious routes - we're not even giving them a chance!

Barry Ramey · 09-21-2006, 09:54 AM

Let's don't forget, not a lot of rookies have started, much less played much at all since Shanahan has been the coach. So rookies getting any playing time is rare and there's probably been a reason why this has been the case with Shanahan. Most rookies are inconsistent and still learning their teams' systems.

fdf · 09-21-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

My, did you get a lot of folks to bite, or what? Nice job.

DeusExManning · 09-21-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Alec

Well, Brandon has shown the Denver penchant for dropping balls right in his hands as he dropped a sure 15 yard gain right in his hands that Jake threw to him.

But, Im sure somehow that will be Jake's fault too.

Actually, if you watch the replay, the corner made a good play and knocked it down.

baja · 09-21-2006, 09:57 AM

ya he's a bust bring back Watts...

bendog · 09-21-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DeusExShanahan

Actually, if you watch the replay, the corner made a good play and knocked it down.

Yeah, the stiff can't get open, and Jake throws to covered receivers. We need Charlie Adams back and to start Cutler, I tell ya.

Taco John · 09-21-2006, 10:10 AM

Run it's course? It's week two? How much has Marshall even seen the field? Isn't he our fourth option?

Scheffler and Dumerville are the only rookie on the team (aside from Cutler) that I'm expecting anything of right now. We need both of them to perform if we can reasonably expect to win this season.

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-21-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I'm worried about Brandon Marshall ... he has yet to catch a ball in any game, not even pre-season. We knew going in that the pick was just a flyer, after all - didn't he play safety in college?

I wonder who else was available at that pick in the fourth round, because it doesn't look like we'll be getting much out of the guy. No WONDER we picked up Quincy Morgan ... and I can't wait for Domenik Hixon to heal - maybe he can do somthing to make up for the Marshall pick.

Let's hope Quincy Morgan can pick up the offense quickly.

Crushaholic · 09-21-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Orange_Beard

Our QB has a 36.8 passer rating. Hard to rip any WR or TE at this point.

You do know it takes 2 people (a sender and a receiver) to complete a pass, don't you?

BroncoInferno · 09-21-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

You do know it takes 2 people (a sender and a receiver) to complete a pass, don't you?

Not to mention a third party (offensive line) responsible for keeping the sender upright long enough to deliver to the receiver.

Orange_Beard · 09-21-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushaholic

You do know it takes 2 people (a sender and a receiver) to complete a pass, don't you?

Really, you are a genius.

Have you watched the games? Plummer has thrown so many ducks this year.

Orange_Beard · 09-21-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Not to mention a third party (offensive line) responsible for keeping the sender upright long enough to deliver to the receiver.

It is always someone elses fault.

Plummer looks like he is throwing Duck decoys.

Crushaholic · 09-21-2006, 02:02 PM

Plummer's passes do look ugly at times, but part of the problem is miscommunication between QB and receiver. Rookie receivers CERTAINLY can take part of that blame. Plummer would have completed the TD pass to Scheffler if Scheffler had turned back inside just a bit.

BroncoInferno · 09-21-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Orange_Beard

It is always someone elses fault.

It's always ONLY Plummer's fault.

Orange_Beard · 09-21-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

It's always ONLY Plummer's fault.

If you say so.

BroncoInferno · 09-21-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Orange_Beard

If you say so.

That's the way you and others try to make it appear. Jake has played like crap, but he certainly has not been alone.

Orange_Beard · 09-21-2006, 06:17 PM

Not so much, Jake has been under pressure.

The throws he has made when not under pressure have been the worst. The 2 on the goal line last week.

The FLOATER down the middle and the Roll out and Force to Smith were just flat out dumb plays.
That being said this thread is about Marshall. The one ball I have seen throw to him was a sailer. I was just pointing out that How can you judge Marshall when Jake has a 36.8 passer rating.

BroncoInferno · 09-22-2006, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Orange_Beard

Not so much, Jake has been under pressure.

The throws he has made when not under pressure have been the worst. The 2 on the goal line last week.

The FLOATER down the middle and the Roll out and Force to Smith were just flat out dumb plays.
That being said this thread is about Marshall. The one ball I have seen throw to him was a sailer. I was just pointing out that How can you judge Marshall when Jake has a 36.8 passer rating.

How can you judge Jake's passer rating when Marshall doesn't have a catch? Chicken and egg argument. I say it's a little of both. We have new receivers (two of whom are rookies) in a brand new offense, and the QB has stunk under pressure so far. The results will improve once the new receivers start to get the offense down pat and Jake settles down (which his history as a Bronco suggests he will).

Orange_Beard · 09-22-2006, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

How can you judge Jake's passer rating when Marshall doesn't have a catch? Chicken and egg argument. I say it's a little of both. We have new receivers (two of whom are rookies) in a brand new offense, and the QB has stunk under pressure so far. The results will improve once the new receivers start to get the offense down pat and Jake settles down (which his history as a Bronco suggests he will).

Chicken or the egg? That to me is a huge reach. I think you are trying a little to hard to defend Plummer.
I agree the "O" is a system. A system needs all parts to function. No one part has been real good. However Plummer has been really bad, the 4 picks have come when there was no or very little pressure on him. He has made horrible decisions. After watching the games again, when he does make a good decision, his throws have been really off mark.

BroncoBuff · 09-22-2006, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fdf

My, did you get a lot of folks to bite, or what? Nice job.

Yes ... too many. I feel bad, because some of my favorite posters took me seriously. I thought things like saying "the Marshall Experiment," and "no wonder we traded for Quincy Morgan" would be dead giveaways ... but I guess I had forgotten how low-brow some of these threads really are. I was trying to be an "absurdist" as a response to Taco John's "Was Scheffler Just a Mirage?" absurdist thread. He acknowledged his was a joke/absurdist thread too I think, when he moved both of these to the "Butt" Thursday AM...

Just to be clear. WHAT I REALLY THINK: Javon/Marshall/Scheffler = 10+ years together. If we're really, REALLY lucky, maybe similar to Shannon/Rod/Eddie Mac. But that's pretty optimistic.

Sorry to everyone ...

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09-21-2006, 08:32 AM	#27
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	I figured we would see you here AP

09-21-2006, 08:41 AM	#28
Tom G Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 1,429	Marshall is an athletic freak. He is 6-4 and 1/2, 229, has been timed at 4.53,4.52,4.45 and 4.49 prior to the draft. He had a vertical jump of 37". He was H.S. state champion in the triple jump. He was a 3 yr starter at WR and volunteered to play safety in his JR year to help the team. He led the team in tackles that year. He went back to WR in his senior year and caught74 passes for 1,195 yds and 11 TDs. He was MVP of the Hula Bowl with 11 catches for 230 yds and 3 TDs. He was described as "a man amongst boys". He did well in preseason and was being considered for #3 WR before he got hurt even tho he was a rookie. I don't think we should cut him yet.

09-21-2006, 09:12 AM	#31
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,396 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	This is a goofy discussion, which is why I feel compelled to join. By this season's stats, I think Carolina should dump Steve Smith as well. He's sucking it up worse than Plummer. Marshall should come along, but as mentioned earlier, not if we are afraid to pass. However, I think we should be airing out to Javon several times a game, then the new guys can find a breath in the underneath routes. Right now, we are passing it to a double covered Rod Smith instead of letting it fly towards our speed guys. Either Plummer needs to grow his balls back (picks or not), or let the Rookie Rocket have a chance. No one will look good if we only try on obvious passing downs and obvious routes - we're not even giving them a chance!

09-21-2006, 09:54 AM	#32
Barry Ramey Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,700	Let's don't forget, not a lot of rookies have started, much less played much at all since Shanahan has been the coach. So rookies getting any playing time is rare and there's probably been a reason why this has been the case with Shanahan. Most rookies are inconsistent and still learning their teams' systems.

09-21-2006, 09:57 AM	#35
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,745 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	ya he's a bust bring back Watts...

09-21-2006, 10:10 AM	#37
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Run it's course? It's week two? How much has Marshall even seen the field? Isn't he our fourth option? Scheffler and Dumerville are the only rookie on the team (aside from Cutler) that I'm expecting anything of right now. We need both of them to perform if we can reasonably expect to win this season.

09-21-2006, 02:02 PM	#43
Crushaholic Armchair Poster Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 22,039	Plummer's passes do look ugly at times, but part of the problem is miscommunication between QB and receiver. Rookie receivers CERTAINLY can take part of that blame. Plummer would have completed the TD pass to Scheffler if Scheffler had turned back inside just a bit.

09-21-2006, 06:17 PM	#47
Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	Not so much, Jake has been under pressure. The throws he has made when not under pressure have been the worst. The 2 on the goal line last week. The FLOATER down the middle and the Roll out and Force to Smith were just flat out dumb plays. That being said this thread is about Marshall. The one ball I have seen throw to him was a sailer. I was just pointing out that How can you judge Marshall when Jake has a 36.8 passer rating.