Ted Turner: Iraq, History's Dumbest War

[Rohirrim]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/20/turner.reut/index.html

He's right, of course.

[Tom H.]

I don't even like Ted but I agree that it's a dumb war.

[ClevelandBronco]

Ted Turner: History's dumbest billionaire.

[Crushaholic]

I didn't think it was a "war". That's what people on the left have been telling me...

Anyway, I still maintain we needed to go there. Do we have the right number of troops there to win the war? I don't know...

[Rohirrim]

I'm not wild about Ted either. But IMO he's right. This was just plumb stupid. I wish Ted would go back to sailboat racing. He could get us back the America's Cup.

C'mon, Ted. Let's get Courageous out of mothballs and win back the cup!

[bendog]

I was for offing Saddam, but my first choice was keeping the baath and finding a new Jefe, who'd go back to Saddam's old job of balancing off the shiaa, and my second choice was getting a real coalition via the UN with arabs/muslims in it, and figuriing it'd take 20 years of occupation, and my third choice was keeping the food for oil, and my last choice was bushii's stupidist ****ing war ever.

[SteveTensi13]

Sorry, Vietnam conflict takes that award. Of course, it was the democrat party that launched and sustained that disaster and it took a Republican to end it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

Sorry, Vietnam conflict takes that award. Of course, it was the democrat party that launched and sustained that disaster and it took a Republican to end it.

No Einstein, Ike sent the first American "advisor's" over there.

And it took the AMERICAN PEOPLE to end it.

Your history is about as accurate as the rest of your bigoted world.

[SteveTensi13]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

No Einstein, Ike sent the first American "advisor's" over there.

And it took the AMERICAN PEOPLE to end it.

Your history is about as accurate as the rest of your bigoted world.

Sending a half dozen advisors (Eisenhower) and sending 150,000 troops (JFK, LBJ)are a big difference! And you're right, the AMERICAN PEOPLE did end the war by electing Nixon to office to correct ANOTHER democrat party foreign policy disaster!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

Sending a half dozen advisors (Eisenhower) and sending 150,000 troops (JFK, LBJ)are a big difference! And you're right, the AMERICAN PEOPLE did end the war by electing Nixon to office to correct ANOTHER democrat party foreign policy disaster!

Try again this time look up both the correct answers.

How come you haven't ever produced this new law you said that "libs" passed preventing NM police officers from making arrests when illegal drugs are in plain site on traffic stops?

[SteveTensi13]

Ok, 1950 Truman sends 35 advisors to Vietnam to aid the french in their war against the Vietnamese people.http:////www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001292.html

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

Ok, 1950 Truman sends 35 advisors to Vietnam to aid the french in their war against the Vietnamese people.http:////www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001292.html

So I guess that "lib" crap you were spewing about illegal plain sight searches was just that, crap?

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1946
Indochina War Begins: Following months of steadily deteriorating relations, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam launches its first consorted attack against the French.


1954
Battle of Dienbienphu Begins: A force of 40,000 heavily armed Vietminh lay seige to the French garrison at Dienbienphu. Using Chinese artillery to shell the airstrip, the Vietminh make it impossible for French supplies to arrive by air. It soon becomes clear that the French have met their match.

Eisenhower Cites "Domino Theory" Regarding Southeast Asia: Responding to the defeat of the French by the Vietminh at Dienbienphu, President Eisenhower outlines the Domino Theory: "You have a row of dominoes set up. You knock over the first one, and what will happen to the last one is the certainty that it will go over very quickly."


1956
French Leave Vietnam

US Training South Vietnamese: The US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility, from French, for training South Vietnamese forces.


1957
Communist Insurgency into South Vietnam: Communist insurgent activity in South Vietnam begins. Guerrillas assassinate more than 400 South Vietnamese officials. Thirty-seven armed companies are organized along the Mekong Delta.

Terrorist Bombings Rock Saigon: Thirteen Americans working for MAAG and US Information Service are wounded in terrorist bombings in Saigon.


1959

Weapons Moving Along Ho Chi Minh Trail: North Vietnam forms Group 559 to begin infiltrating cadres and weapons into South Vietnam via the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The Trail will become a strategic target for future military attacks.

US Servicemen Killed in Guerilla Attack: Major Dale R. Buis and Master Sargeant Chester M. Ovnand become the first Americans to die in the Vietnam War when guerillas strike at Bienhoa


1968
November

Richard Nixon Elected President: Running on a platform of "law and order," Richard Nixon barely beats out Hubert Humphrey for the presidency. Nixon takes just 43.4 percent of the popular vote, compared to 42.7 percent for Humphrey. Third-party candidate George Wallace takes the remaining percentage of votes.

1969
Nixon Begins Secret Bombing of Cambodia: In an effort to destroy Communist supply routes and base camps in Cambodia, President Nixon gives the go-ahead to "Operation Breakfast." The covert bombing of Cambodia, conducted without the knowledge of Congress or the American public, will continue for fourteen months.


1972
Nixon Cuts Troop Levels by 70K: Responding to charges by Democratic presidential candidates that he is not moving fast enough to end US involvement in Vietnam, President Nixon orders troop strength reduced by seventy thousand.


1973
End of Draft Announced

Last American Troops Leave Vietnam

Hearings on Secret Bombings Begin: The Senate Armed Services Committee opens hearing on the US bombing of Cambodia. Allegations are made that the Nixon administration allowed bombing raids to be carried out during what was supposed to be a time when Cambodia's neutrality was officially recognized. As a result of the hearings, Congress orders that all bombing in Cambodia cease effective at midnight, August 14.

http://tinyurl.com/ag6zv

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

No Einstein, Ike sent the first American "advisor's" over there.

And it took the AMERICAN PEOPLE to end it.

Your history is about as accurate as the rest of your bigoted world.

Watching SteveCoulter13 make so many ignorant, uninformed, and misinformed statements and make a complete fool of himself is amusing.

[SteveTensi13]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

So I guess that "lib" crap you were spewing about illegal plain sight searches was just that, crap?

-------------------------------------------------------------
1946
Indochina War Begins: Following months of steadily deteriorating relations, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam launches its first consorted attack against the French.


1954
Battle of Dienbienphu Begins: A force of 40,000 heavily armed Vietminh lay seige to the French garrison at Dienbienphu. Using Chinese artillery to shell the airstrip, the Vietminh make it impossible for French supplies to arrive by air. It soon becomes clear that the French have met their match.

Eisenhower Cites "Domino Theory" Regarding Southeast Asia: Responding to the defeat of the French by the Vietminh at Dienbienphu, President Eisenhower outlines the Domino Theory: "You have a row of dominoes set up. You knock over the first one, and what will happen to the last one is the certainty that it will go over very quickly."


1956
French Leave Vietnam

US Training South Vietnamese: The US Military Assistance Advisor Group (MAAG) assumes responsibility, from French, for training South Vietnamese forces.


1957
Communist Insurgency into South Vietnam: Communist insurgent activity in South Vietnam begins. Guerrillas assassinate more than 400 South Vietnamese officials. Thirty-seven armed companies are organized along the Mekong Delta.

Terrorist Bombings Rock Saigon: Thirteen Americans working for MAAG and US Information Service are wounded in terrorist bombings in Saigon.


1959

Weapons Moving Along Ho Chi Minh Trail: North Vietnam forms Group 559 to begin infiltrating cadres and weapons into South Vietnam via the Ho Chi Minh Trail. The Trail will become a strategic target for future military attacks.

US Servicemen Killed in Guerilla Attack: Major Dale R. Buis and Master Sargeant Chester M. Ovnand become the first Americans to die in the Vietnam War when guerillas strike at Bienhoa


1968
November

Richard Nixon Elected President: Running on a platform of "law and order," Richard Nixon barely beats out Hubert Humphrey for the presidency. Nixon takes just 43.4 percent of the popular vote, compared to 42.7 percent for Humphrey. Third-party candidate George Wallace takes the remaining percentage of votes.

1969
Nixon Begins Secret Bombing of Cambodia: In an effort to destroy Communist supply routes and base camps in Cambodia, President Nixon gives the go-ahead to "Operation Breakfast." The covert bombing of Cambodia, conducted without the knowledge of Congress or the American public, will continue for fourteen months.


1972
Nixon Cuts Troop Levels by 70K: Responding to charges by Democratic presidential candidates that he is not moving fast enough to end US involvement in Vietnam, President Nixon orders troop strength reduced by seventy thousand.


1973
End of Draft Announced

Last American Troops Leave Vietnam

Hearings on Secret Bombings Begin: The Senate Armed Services Committee opens hearing on the US bombing of Cambodia. Allegations are made that the Nixon administration allowed bombing raids to be carried out during what was supposed to be a time when Cambodia's neutrality was officially recognized. As a result of the hearings, Congress orders that all bombing in Cambodia cease effective at midnight, August 14.

http://tinyurl.com/ag6zv

I noticed you conveniently left out 1950 when Truman sent the first advisors to Vietnam!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

I noticed you conveniently left out 1950 when Truman sent the first advisors to Vietnam!

I noticed you have "conveniently" forgotten (again) to answer my question about your "libs" who have gutted the NM traffic and drug laws and prevented you from arresting criminals who use and deal illegal drugs, how come?

[Atlas]

This is great. I like where he called the guy "Bubba" Bubba Bush I'm sure!!

'Men should be barred from public office'
One way to reduce such dangers in the world would be to leave women in charge, said the former husband of Jane Fonda.

"Men should be barred from public office for 100 years in every part of the world. ... It would be a much kinder, gentler, more intelligently run world. The men have had millions of years where we've been running things. We've screwed it up hopelessly. Let's give it to the women."

In the meantime, the United Nations represents the best hope, Turner said.

While the world body is ridiculed as ineffective and irrelevant by its harshest critics and often criticized by its strongest advocates, Turner offered what was then one-third of his net worth to the world body nine years ago.

"I am absolutely certain we would not have made it through the Cold War without the U.N.," Turner said. "When Khrushchev at the U.N. took his shoe off and hit podium he was so mad, but he had a place to let off steam. If the U.N. hadn't been there, that would have been war right then."

When a questioner from the audience challenged Turner on the United Nations's value, Turner shot back.

"The war between Lebanon and Israel and Hizbollah would still be going on if it hadn't been for the U.N., and that's only in the last two weeks, Bubba."

[Bronx33]

Isn't ted humping hanoi jane?

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Bronx33

Isn't ted humping hanoi jane?

They split up awhile ago. i don't know who he is humping now.

He might be humping this lady.


Or he might be humping this lady.


Both are listed as his girlfirends

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Karl Rove might be humping Jeff Gannon.

(Or is it Jeff Gannon might be humping Karl Rove?)

[BKK]

Ted married a traitor

[bendog]

Yeah, but he screwed around on her so much, she divorced him.

[baja]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

No Einstein, Ike sent the first American "advisor's" over there.

And it took the AMERICAN PEOPLE to end it.

Your history is about as accurate as the rest of your bigoted world.

Well that and getting our asses kicked.

[bendog]

actually, it dates back to Truman. Someone told me FDR, but I havn't confirmed that, and it seems suspicious to me, because FDR warned about getting tied up in Europes colonial mess post war, and because of Mrs. Roosevelt's dedication to freeing the post war colonial nations.

http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch26.htm

I had this fascination with Truman. Bigger than life, and he was in some way, esp race. But, dammit, he screwed up bigtime. Korea might never have needed to occur. He had to choose between the French and Ho, and once we chose the French, we'd lost all cred with the rank and file who cared about nationalism.

[Stuck In Texas]

Originally Posted by baja fan

Well that and getting our asses kicked.

Do you really think we got our butts kicked in Vietnam? It was a political defeat, but definitely not a military one.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Stuck In Texas

Do you really think we got our butts kicked in Vietnam? It was a political defeat, but definitely not a military one.

The political arena is where wars like Vietnam are won or lost.