OK, I'm Going To Stir The Jay Cutler Pot. - The Orange Mane

RhymesayersDU · 09-17-2006, 04:39 PM

I apologize in advance for doing the following:

I'll be the first to say that I think starting Jay Cutler would be throwing away our season. Now, perhaps that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Get a decent draft spot, get D-Line help maybe...

Anyways, I'm not a Plummer backer by any means, I just don't think Cutler is ready. But if all our offense can produce is 19 points through 8 1/2 quarters of football, we might as well start Cutler.

I'd still give Jake at least 8 games, but if these trends continue I'd jump on the Cutler bandwagon with the rest of you guys who want him playing. I realize it's not all Jake's fault. But at some point, you gotta think that a change might be made.

Barry Ramey · 09-17-2006, 04:56 PM

I agree with you. If receivers aren't getting open right now, I don't see why they would with Cutler at QB. In fact, right now, with the way the offense is playing, I could see Cutler throwing a lot of picks and forcing into coverage. People want Cutler to develop bad habits? I sure don't.

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-17-2006, 05:03 PM

If we started Cutler we'd have to dumb down the offense by taking out half the playbook, plus we'd be seeing a guy throwing into double coverage, making poor reads, and lots of mistakes.

Oh wait...

Bronx33 · 09-17-2006, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

If we started Cutler we'd have to dumb down the offense by taking out half the playbook, plus we'd be seeing a guy throwing into double coverage, making poor reads, and lots of mistakes.

Oh wait...

Exactly.

yerner · 09-17-2006, 05:10 PM

honestly, how much can we lose by starting cutler? I never thought i would be saying that, but really, im sure he can miss open recievers as well as plummer. Rod will b**** cause he knows this is his last hooray, but why not start the transition? it looks like we're gonna have to win with defense either way. does plummer really give us a better chance? big game, you know he's gonna fold unless the defense and run game win it. i can't believe im saying i'm not so sure.

Turf Shaman · 09-17-2006, 05:20 PM

Well, if Plummer hypothetically keeps playing like he has been, I'd certainly wouldn't be crying foul if Cutler was given the keys. I'm not calling for it yet, but I will say that I'm fighting the urge to start looking ahead to '07.

But it should be noted that Plummer wasn't looking that sparkling after week 2 last season.

broncolife · 09-17-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

If we started Cutler we'd have to dumb down the offense by taking out half the playbook, plus we'd be seeing a guy throwing into double coverage, making poor reads, and lots of mistakes.

Oh wait...

I am on the fence on the Cutler and Plummer situation. I would like Plummer to do good, but I also have the same thought as above.

fdf · 09-17-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by yerner

honestly, how much can we lose by starting cutler? I never thought i would be saying that, but really, im sure he can miss open recievers as well as plummer. Rod will b**** cause he knows this is his last hooray, but why not start the transition? it looks like we're gonna have to win with defense either way. does plummer really give us a better chance? big game, you know he's gonna fold unless the defense and run game win it. i can't believe im saying i'm not so sure.

We sucked (including Jake) for the first two games last season. Won the second by a miracle, lost the first badly, and still had a good season. I would wait to toss the season down the tubes.

The two big problems I see out there are: (1) Playcalling. We miss Kubiak and there is going to be a longer adjustment period than I would have hoped; (2) Smith isn't getting open like he did last year so we are still one-dimensional in the passing game.

The big plus is the defense. It will be interesting to see how they fare against a good team next week. So far, we haven't played a decent offense.

theAPAOps5 · 09-17-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

If we started Cutler we'd have to dumb down the offense by taking out half the playbook, plus we'd be seeing a guy throwing into double coverage, making poor reads, and lots of mistakes.

Oh wait...

True but Plummer does bounce back when he makes those mistakes, he is good at letting things go I'll give him that. Put cutler in and you risk the chance of losing confidence and never getting it back. Its easy to crush a rookies spirit. Jake is a veteran who can take the boos and doubters. I say let Cutler watch, let him see what Plummer did wrong go through the tape and point out why things happen and wait. He will be a stud but I want him to avoid the Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, or Bolinger syndrome.

Rigs11 · 09-17-2006, 05:47 PM

This team remimds me off the CU Buffs. Great defense but shoddy Offense. Why? The receivers never get open.

epicSocialism4tw · 09-17-2006, 05:58 PM

Disclaimer or not, this is still thread number 5,443,332,211,000 on this subject.

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-17-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

True but Plummer does bounce back when he makes those mistakes, he is good at letting things go I'll give him that. Put cutler in and you risk the chance of losing confidence and never getting it back. Its easy to crush a rookies spirit. Jake is a veteran who can take the boos and doubters. I say let Cutler watch, let him see what Plummer did wrong go through the tape and point out why things happen and wait. He will be a stud but I want him to avoid the Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, or Bolinger syndrome.

Whent the best argument for starting Jake is that we're trying to protect Cutler, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement for Plummmer. The list of rookie QB's who have survived starting in the NFL to become solid pros is probably longer than than the list of notable failures. Cutler got the crap pounded out of hiim for 4 years...and my best argument for starting Plummer comes down to the fact that I'd like to give Jay's body a chance to rest.

As I said...not exactly a ringing endorsement for Jake huh?

NFLBRONCO · 09-17-2006, 06:04 PM

Did you hear announcers say Mike thought he put too much stuff into last weeks gameplan for Jake. I was thinking WTF he is a 10 yr vet.

bombquixote · 09-17-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

Whent the best argument for starting Jake is that we're trying to protect Cutler, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement for Plummmer. The list of rookie QB's who have survived starting in the NFL to become solid pros is probably longer than than the list of notable failures. Cutler got the crap pounded out of hiim for 4 years...and my best argument for starting Plummer comes down to the fact that I'd like to give Jay's body a chance to rest.

As I said...not exactly a ringing endorsement for Jake huh?

The best argument for keeping Jake at the helm is that he WINS GAMES. His record in Denver is outstanding. And he just won another. He stays the starter because right now he gives Denver the best chance to win.

If, after say 8 games, our season is completely down the tubes, then okay, lets start developing the rook. But to start him now would be idiotic.

TheDave · 09-17-2006, 06:19 PM

Problem is Jake isn't helping himself or the team right now. IMO, the first loss was mostly on his shoulders. Todays performance was much more of a team effort, but............

16/30 173yards 0 TD's 1 INT 5.8 yrds per pass and a 56.7 QB rating just isn't going to get it done.

Something needs to change quickly!

Ballhawk · 09-17-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

I agree with you. If receivers aren't getting open right now, I don't see why they would with Cutler at QB. In fact, right now, with the way the offense is playing, I could see Cutler throwing a lot of picks and forcing into coverage. People want Cutler to develop bad habits? I sure don't.

The same bad habits Smith developed playing in SF last year? He has looked very good after 2 games.

If I thought that Plummer even had the slightest chance of leading us to a SB, I would say leave Cutler on the bench. 8 qrts:1 TD.

Maybe it is like last year where he sucked game one, was saved by the D game two, and will wake up game three. This was a game for him to get healthy...oh well we will see.

BABronco · 09-17-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by yerner

honestly, how much can we lose by starting cutler? I never thought i would be saying that, but really, im sure he can miss open recievers as well as plummer. Rod will b**** cause he knows this is his last hooray, but why not start the transition? it looks like we're gonna have to win with defense either way. does plummer really give us a better chance? big game, you know he's gonna fold unless the defense and run game win it. i can't believe im saying i'm not so sure.

Rod complaining? What crack pipe you smoking? That is

!

Northman · 09-17-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

True but Plummer does bounce back when he makes those mistakes, he is good at letting things go I'll give him that. Put cutler in and you risk the chance of losing confidence and never getting it back. Its easy to crush a rookies spirit. Jake is a veteran who can take the boos and doubters. I say let Cutler watch, let him see what Plummer did wrong go through the tape and point out why things happen and wait. He will be a stud but I want him to avoid the Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, or Bolinger syndrome.

It might crush most rookies spirits but not all of them. I havent seen anything but confidence coming from Cutler. He also knows he will have bad games so it isnt like Jay thinks he will sparkle every game right away. The ideal thing is too let Jay sit and observe but if Jake keeps struggling with the offense and if we start losing games than i would have no problem putting Cutler in to get his feet wet.

elsid13 · 09-17-2006, 06:40 PM

If Cutler's sprit wasn't crushed at Vandy, do you think he going to be crushed now

Compared to what he had to work as offense line in college he might feel like he has all the time in the world behind the current line.

The offense gets out a funk when Plummer completes some deep pass from the pocket to force Defenses to play honest

Rascal · 09-17-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

This team remimds me off the CU Buffs. Great defense but shoddy Offense. Why? The receivers never get open.

Quotted for truth.

It makes no difference who the QB is if the WR's don't get open. And today they did not get open. You can't blame Jake for that.

watermock · 09-17-2006, 06:46 PM

I'ts a miracle we won the game.

footstepsfrom#27 · 09-17-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bombquixote

The best argument for keeping Jake at the helm is that he WINS GAMES. His record in Denver is outstanding. And he just won another. He stays the starter because right now he gives Denver the best chance to win.

If, after say 8 games, our season is completely down the tubes, then okay, lets start developing the rook. But to start him now would be idiotic.

The list of idiots joining the chorus for Cutler to start now includes Jimmy Johnson, who today said he thinks Jake should "get about another week and a half". But what does he know? Oh...right. He started Aikman as a rookie and we know that obviously proved to be a fatal mistake.

baja · 09-17-2006, 07:22 PM

Teams sellout to stop the run because they know Jake can not beat them with the pass. It will be a long season now that the first two games will be available to our opponents.

Hercules Rockefeller · 09-17-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigs11

This team remimds me off the CU Buffs. Great defense but shoddy Offense. Why? The receivers never get open.

I don't know what they showed on TV, but the WRs and TEs were getting open pretty consistently today. One play that comes to mind is a pass on 3rd down to Alexander in the first half. SA ended up 2-3 yds short of the 1st down, when all Jake had to do was look to his left (and his head wouldn't have had to turn very far, SA was lined up next to Foster and TB went out of the backefield between TN and CC), and the only player within 10 yds of Tatum was moving away from him.

Kaylore · 09-17-2006, 07:40 PM

I still think Cutler could do what Plummer has done thus far. I also think that guys like Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch sucked because they sucked at football and not because they "started too quickly".

I think Plummer will play better from here on out, but I suspect that Shanahan will be starting to get the itch by week eight.

It all depends on how we look these next two games. Patriots and Ravens are both games we could very well lose.

09-17-2006, 04:39 PM	#1
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,812 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	OK, I'm Going To Stir The Jay Cutler Pot. I apologize in advance for doing the following: I'll be the first to say that I think starting Jay Cutler would be throwing away our season. Now, perhaps that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Get a decent draft spot, get D-Line help maybe... Anyways, I'm not a Plummer backer by any means, I just don't think Cutler is ready. But if all our offense can produce is 19 points through 8 1/2 quarters of football, we might as well start Cutler. I'd still give Jake at least 8 games, but if these trends continue I'd jump on the Cutler bandwagon with the rest of you guys who want him playing. I realize it's not all Jake's fault. But at some point, you gotta think that a change might be made.

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elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,081	If Cutler's sprit wasn't crushed at Vandy, do you think he going to be crushed now Compared to what he had to work as offense line in college he might feel like he has all the time in the world behind the current line. The offense gets out a funk when Plummer completes some deep pass from the pocket to force Defenses to play honest Last edited by elsid13; 09-17-2006 at 06:42 PM..

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09-17-2006, 04:56 PM	#2
Barry Ramey Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,700	I agree with you. If receivers aren't getting open right now, I don't see why they would with Cutler at QB. In fact, right now, with the way the offense is playing, I could see Cutler throwing a lot of picks and forcing into coverage. People want Cutler to develop bad habits? I sure don't.

09-17-2006, 05:03 PM	#3
footstepsfrom#27 helmet to helmet hitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 16,117 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	If we started Cutler we'd have to dumb down the offense by taking out half the playbook, plus we'd be seeing a guy throwing into double coverage, making poor reads, and lots of mistakes. Oh wait...

09-17-2006, 05:10 PM	#5
yerner Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Charlottesville VA Posts: 3,304	honestly, how much can we lose by starting cutler? I never thought i would be saying that, but really, im sure he can miss open recievers as well as plummer. Rod will b**** cause he knows this is his last hooray, but why not start the transition? it looks like we're gonna have to win with defense either way. does plummer really give us a better chance? big game, you know he's gonna fold unless the defense and run game win it. i can't believe im saying i'm not so sure.

09-17-2006, 05:20 PM	#6
Turf Shaman Seasoned Veteran Use in moderation. Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 388 Adopt-a-Bronco: Samuel Adams	Well, if Plummer hypothetically keeps playing like he has been, I'd certainly wouldn't be crying foul if Cutler was given the keys. I'm not calling for it yet, but I will say that I'm fighting the urge to start looking ahead to '07. But it should be noted that Plummer wasn't looking that sparkling after week 2 last season.

09-17-2006, 05:47 PM	#10
Rigs11 Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,820	This team remimds me off the CU Buffs. Great defense but shoddy Offense. Why? The receivers never get open.

09-17-2006, 05:58 PM	#11
epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Disclaimer or not, this is still thread number 5,443,332,211,000 on this subject.

09-17-2006, 06:04 PM	#13
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,385	Did you hear announcers say Mike thought he put too much stuff into last weeks gameplan for Jake. I was thinking WTF he is a 10 yr vet.

09-17-2006, 06:19 PM	#15
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Problem is Jake isn't helping himself or the team right now. IMO, the first loss was mostly on his shoulders. Todays performance was much more of a team effort, but............ 16/30 173yards 0 TD's 1 INT 5.8 yrds per pass and a 56.7 QB rating just isn't going to get it done. Something needs to change quickly!

09-17-2006, 06:46 PM	#21
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	I'ts a miracle we won the game.

09-17-2006, 07:22 PM	#23
baja It is what it Is. Pay attention. Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 53,853 Adopt-a-Bronco: Buy My Book	Teams sellout to stop the run because they know Jake can not beat them with the pass. It will be a long season now that the first two games will be available to our opponents.

09-17-2006, 07:40 PM	#25
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,028 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I still think Cutler could do what Plummer has done thus far. I also think that guys like Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch sucked because they sucked at football and not because they "started too quickly". I think Plummer will play better from here on out, but I suspect that Shanahan will be starting to get the itch by week eight. It all depends on how we look these next two games. Patriots and Ravens are both games we could very well lose.