Denver's Passing Attack . . .

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

It's pretty simple...

Jake can't run the complete playbook without turning it over, hence Shanny limits him to what he can do without exposing him to unnecessary risk. He doesn't have the arm to zing it in there, so short and medium range timing routes are our best option.

When the kid gets the gig we'll be seeing something pretty different than we are now once he figures it out.

Something has to pop. Either the timing routes get run better and the O-line gives them time to open up, or we have to cave in and hope a stronger arm can squeeze it into the tight spots.

[COWBELL]

Plummer needs to complete his first few throws to get him in his comfort zone. If not things go south pretty fast for him. And yes a stonger arm would not hurt.

[Dedhed]

Cito,
I think a lot of what you're seeing with the Brady's and Mannings of the league is their ability to read defenses prior to the snap and make adjusments at the line to get guys open. The WCO that Denver currently runs is supposed to inherently have the right combination of routes to leave someone open, which is why Denver doesn't do much adjusting at the line of scrimmage. There are a lot of reasons why the passing attack hasn't been very potent, and that brings us back to a debate that has been beaten to death around here lately.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

Cito,
I think a lot of what you're seeing with the Brady's and Mannings of the league is their ability to read defenses prior to the snap and make adjusments at the line to get guys open. The WCO that Denver currently runs is supposed to inherently have the right combination of routes to leave someone open, which is why Denver doesn't do much adjusting at the line of scrimmage. There are a lot of reasons why the passing attack hasn't been very potent, and that brings us back to a debate that has been beaten to death around here lately.

Seems to me the two reads that are supposed to be open aren't very open, and then the pocket is gone. Doesn't sound like much of a plan. Either the two reads available get open before the QB gets hammered, has to run for his life, or has to throw the ball away, or you toss Cutler to the wolves and hope he can gun it into those tight spots hard enough so only the receiver can catch it. Probably better to figure out why those 2 primary reads can't get open, then solve it.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Seems to me the two reads that are supposed to be open aren't very open, and then the pocket is gone. Doesn't sound like much of a plan. Either the two reads available get open before the QB gets hammered, has to run for his life, or has to throw the ball away, or you toss Cutler to the wolves and hope he can gun it into those tight spots hard enough so only the receiver can catch it. Probably better to figure out why those 2 primary reads can't get open, then solve it.

If Jake is only being asked to read half of the field the passing attack is effectively only half as efficient. It doesn't really work out to that number because a QB would can read the whole field isn't going to make the right read 100% of the time, a receiver could fall down, the defense could cover everyone well, and there are 100 other varaibles. I guess a better way to put it would be to say that there is about half (60% is a better #)the opportunity for the ball to find the receiver who comes open.

[elsid13]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

If Jake is only being asked to read half of the field the passing attack is effectively only half as efficient. It doesn't really work out to that number because a QB would can read the whole field isn't going to make the right read 100% of the time, a receiver could fall down, the defense could cover everyone well, and there are 100 other varaibles. I guess a better way to put it would be to say that there is about half (60% is a better #)the opportunity for the ball to find the receiver who comes open.

To be successfully in the WCO the QB needs to have a completion rate 60% of the time. Anything above that is means the offense is really clicking. in reality the perfect QB for the offense would be someone with SOB's vision/understanding/accuracy of the offense and Plummer's mobility. Arm strength is added bonus

[elsid13]

Thought folks might enjoy the sites- I find them really good for understanding the tenants of the WCO

http://www.westcoastoffense.com/ (older but has lot of good formation information good links)

Briefs

1. Pre Snap Reads

http://www.sportscombine.com/thezone...iles/frame.htm

2. more dicussion of the system

http://www.sportscombine.com/thezone...iles/frame.htm

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by elsid13

Thought folks might enjoy the sites- I find them really good for understanding the tenants of the WCO

http://www.westcoastoffense.com/ (older but has lot of good formation information good links)

Briefs

1. Pre Snap Reads

http://www.sportscombine.com/thezone...iles/frame.htm

2. more dicussion of the system

http://www.sportscombine.com/thezone...iles/frame.htm

Great finds!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

What AP has been describing is the core concept of the game of football - TEAMWORK. Every player has to complete ther assignment to be successful.

[ORANGEJARHEAD]

Thanks for the WCO links, el Cid. Wow.