OK fess up how many of you secretly hope....

[Kaylore]

I agree.

[RhymesayersDU]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

I agree.

BAD ASS @ Michael Bolton beating a horse. That owns.

[Cito Pelon]

Ya know, I don't think I've busted off a rant in a long time. So .. . . . nah, I don't think this is worth one at this time. Not about one player. I could easily go on a rant about the entire team's lack of intestinal fortitude come second season . . . . . .

[Popps]

Wow, you guys watching this Pittsburgh game?

Pittsburgh's offense came out flat again, and yet... their defense allowed no points.

Wow, now their offense got it going, and they're in the lead.

Amazing, huh?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

[TJ]Charlie Batch did a good job of not turning the ball over, too...[/TJ]

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Originally Posted by Popps

Wow, you guys watching this Pittsburgh game?

Pittsburgh's offense came out flat again, and yet... their defense allowed no points.

Wow, now their offense got it going, and they're in the lead.

Amazing, huh?

It is amazing. I'm just curious how many times does the offense have to come out flat before we can start asking if there's problems on that side of the ball? Once? Twice? Three times? How about the fourth time? Can we question the offense if it comes out flat in four consecutive games? I'd think at that point, people should question whether everything is hunky doory on that side of the ball. If we don't question it, we just become one trick ponies who only talk about things like the defense not being perfect all the time and because of that, we shouldn't look at the problems on the offensive side of the ball.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

It is amazing.

To you, perhaps. If you've watched enough football, particularly playoff football, you'll know that this is what championship defense do. They did it in the Superbowl, and they're doing it tonight.

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

we shouldn't look at the problems on the offensive side of the ball.

Of course we should. We just shouldn't expect our offense to come out flying against a championship defense, and if our defense can't match the opponent's defense's production, we'll lose... every time.

Pitt's offense came out flat tonight... again... and again... they're leading at half-time, just like the Superbowl.

Now, this is a Charlie-batch led offense against a VERY good Miami defense. Sub our offense in for Pitt's in this game, and tell me we wouldn't be up by 21 already.

That's called playoff football. Championship defenses protect their offenses, not the other way around. Again, it's the reason you'll see dozens of examples of defense-heavy champions, and only a few offense-heavy, and even those were pretty balanced. (St. Louis, Denver, etc.)

Point is, you've got a few people around here selling the idea that teams simply CAN'T win if their offense comes out flat.... obviously, that's bull****.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Popps

Wow, you guys watching this Pittsburgh game?

Pittsburgh's offense came out flat again, and yet... their defense allowed no points.

Wow, now their offense got it going, and they're in the lead.

Amazing, huh?

Give it a rest.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Give it a rest.

I'll make a decision on that on Sunday at around 1:00 pm, pacific.

[Cito Pelon]

Originally Posted by Popps

I'll make a decision on that on Sunday at around 1:00 pm, pacific.

Just try to play it cool is all I ask.

[Popps]

Originally Posted by Cito Pelon

Just try to play it cool is all I ask.

Sir, YES SIR!

[No1BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by BroncoSoja

seeing that it wasnt Arizona that made him bad but vice versa,

You've got to be f***ing kidding me. Arizona's one, count 'em, one playoff victory in fifty years or so came with Jake as the QB. The Broncos have not failed to make the playoffs since he arrived. Jake made Arizona bad? Whatever...

Ben

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by No1BroncoFan

You've got to be f***ing kidding me. Arizona's one, count 'em, one playoff victory in fifty years or so came with Jake as the QB. The Broncos have not failed to make the playoffs since he arrived. Jake made Arizona bad? Whatever...

Ben

Don't worry about him. He has some irrational hatred of Plummer and a couple other players. To top it off, he doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about.

[BroncoSoja]

Originally Posted by Popps

Wow, you guys watching this Pittsburgh game?

Pittsburgh's offense came out flat again, and yet... their defense allowed no points.

Wow, now their offense got it going, and they're in the lead.

Amazing, huh?

How many INT's did their bone head QB through agian?

Some of you need to remember that if it wasnt for our DEFENSE, we would have never made it to the Pitt game.

[CBF1]

Guilty here.

No biggie though, I remember Elway missing a game or 4 in route to our 2nd Superbowl title.

[No1BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

Don't worry about him. He has some irrational hatred of Plummer and a couple other players. To top it off, he doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about.

You know, any other team and you might be able to make the argument he tried to make. But Arizona? They are the laughing stock of the NFL and will be as long as the Bidwell's own them. New stadium? So what. New high calibre QB? Who cares? The Bidwell's will keep that organization in the crapper forever.

Ben

[24champ]

Originally Posted by BroncoSoja

How many INT's did their bone head QB through agian?

Some of you need to remember that if it wasnt for our DEFENSE, we would have never made it to the Pitt game.

Who said it wasn't the defense that got us to the Pitt game?

[BroncoSoja]

Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

Don't worry about him. He has some irrational hatred of Plummer and a couple other players. To top it off, he doesn't even know what the hell he's talking about.

Wrong I just have hate towards Plummer. As far as it being "irational" it's probably as as "irrational" as the Plummer man love that dribbles down the lips of almost every poster on this board.

Dont matter though cause one more year and you duds will be forced to see what a real QB good can do with a real good team. And your Plummer manlove can hit the road along with your boy.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by BroncoSoja

Wrong I just have hate towards Plummer. As far as it being "irational" it's probably as as "irrational" as the Plummer man love that dribbles down the lips of almost every poster on this board.

Dont matter though cause one more year and you duds will be forced to see what a real QB good can do with a real good team. And your Plummer manlove can hit the road along with your boy.

I guess that means we'll be rid of you too. The only time you ever show up to post is when you've got a case of the red ass over Jake Plummer. With him gone you'll have nothing whine about, thus no more of your asinine posts.

What a tragic loss that will be.

[No1BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by BroncoSoja

Wrong I just have hate towards Plummer. As far as it being "irational" it's probably as as "irrational" as the Plummer man love that dribbles down the lips of almost every poster on this board.

Dont matter though cause one more year and you duds will be forced to see what a real QB good can do with a real good team. And your Plummer manlove can hit the road along with your boy.

It's amazing that anyone who considers Plummer to be somewhat better than awful has "man love" for him. Your hatred for him is irrational, but more importantly your hatred of your fellow Bronco fans is even more irrational. Jake was undoubtedly the best option we had to replace the true QB mistake this team made (Griese). Bash him all you want, but while you're at it, please tell me who was available that was a better choice than Plummer.

If Cutler is all he's touted to be when he earns the starting position you'll find no bigger supporter than me. I supported Griese until he proved that even Danny Kanel would be a better alternative. I've supported Jake and his .750 win percentage and when Cutler earns the spot I'll support him too. However, right now he is not the best option for this team. He's a raw rookie that still needs to learn his progressions. Loaded with raw talent, but still a raw rookie. He may not be the best option next year either (though he could be). Plummer will be here until Cutler beats him out. That's the way Shanny plays things.

Ben

[No1BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

I guess that means we'll be rid of you too. The only time you ever show up to post is when you've got a case of the red ass over Jake Plummer. With him gone you'll have nothing whine about, thus no more of your asinine posts.

What a tragic loss that will be.

I'm sure he'll find another focus for his angst. Scapegoats are a dime-a-dozen.

Still laughing at that Jake made Arizona bad crap though.

Ben

[Popps]

Originally Posted by BroncoSoja

How many INT's did their bone head QB through agian?

Some of you need to remember that if it wasnt for our DEFENSE, we would have never made it to the Pitt game.

Well, in the Superbowl.. their "bonehead" QB threw an INT on their 5th drive, after punting on their first 4 drives. (Going 3-out on two.)

So, their "bonehead" threw an INT when the game was close... yet, their defense still stepped up so the offense could get on track.

Our defense allowed scores on Pitt's first FOUR drives, and Jake threw his pick at half-time when we were in desperation mode.

Quite different scenarios.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Popps

I love how the guy Taco's takes seem to line up the best with is a Chiefs fan.

I'm pretty sure Herc is as big a Broncos fan as you or I.

[Kaylore]

This last draft was an indictment of our entire offense, not just Plummer. It would be hard to argue that the coaching staff felt the offense was sufficient given we spent just about every penny of our resources in securing offensive players.

I still think we need some players up front, but I've been upset about the declining talent on offense for some time and feel great about what they did to address that.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Popps

Well, in the Superbowl.. their "bonehead" QB threw an INT on their 5th drive, after punting on their first 4 drives. (Going 3-out on two.)

So, their "bonehead" threw an INT when the game was close... yet, their defense still stepped up so the offense could get on track.

Our defense allowed scores on Pitt's first FOUR drives, and Jake threw his pick at half-time when we were in desperation mode.

Quite different scenarios.

Actually, to be clear, and to make a point about said bonehead... The score tonight at halftime was 14-10. A four point difference. One touchdown.

If Jake hadn't have thrown that boneheaded interception before halftime, and instead took the opportunity to lead the team on a scoring drive, the score would have been 17-10. One touchdown.

The defense surely should have held Pittsburgh to fewer points. But given how badly the offense choked that day giving away the field position battle, you have to cut them the same amount of leeway you cut for Jake's fumbles when you blame them on the offensive linemen, and not the tiny-handed Plummer, right? But yeah...

The Steelers scored only 13 points on drives originating from their own side of the field.