OK fess up how many of you secretly hope....

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by Taco John

So you're not willing to "waste" this season testing that superior athleticism, but you're willing to "waste" next season doing it?

Like I said... Screw this "no mistake Jake" crap... I'm ready for our real quarterback, and I'm ready to ride shotgun with him win or lose because I actually believe he's capable of winning it all. I only wish Jake hadn't beat that out of me.

Next season he'll have an entire year of studying and preparation under his belt. Next year he'll have a much better grip on the offense. Next year he'll know his progressions a lot better than he does now, which will help with one of the few flaws we saw from him in the preseason, staring down his receiver.

His physical gifts aren't going to go away anytime soon. He needs to get up to speed before he's ready to take the reigns full time. I'd prefer him to do that without the pressure to win games and the scrutiny of the media & fans pressing down on him. Right now it's the honeymoon phase with Cutler, but he's in for a dose of cold reality when he takes the starting job and has the weight of the entire franchise on his shoulders. Welcome to Denver, kid.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

It's best for the 2006 Denver Bronco squad and Jay Cutler's development for him to have a redshirt year. Win-win proposition all around. It is critical that he be allowed a full season to fully prepare himself for what should be an outstanding career. While game experience is certainly important, there is alot to be said about having a substantial period of time to just "soak it in". He should have a full season to study in peace and at his own pace without the pressure and undue stress of simultaneously having to carry a whole franchise on his back as a rookie. That approach will provide us with the biggest benefit long term.

A full season of observation, contemplation, study and repetition free from such worries is ideal. Cutler should learn by osmosis this year. Fans like the instant gratification and all but that is extremely dangerous at the QB position in particular. There is no need to jeopardize anything this year, we have a chance to do some good things with Jake. Jake may do poorly again in the playoffs, but that is a better result...a far better result than to unnecessarily rush our future star into the starting role without the proper period of week to week and month to month classroom and field development. There is definitely the potential for true greatness here...no need to even take the risk of stunting development or rushing the issue.

Thank you. I couldn't agree more.

Jay Cutler is not about the right now, he's about the next dozen years or so. Aside from trying to win a Super Bowl, his development is the most important thing for this franchise.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Next season he'll have an entire year of studying and preparation under his belt. Next year he'll have a much better grip on the offense. Next year he'll know his progressions a lot better than he does now, which will help with one of the few flaws we saw from him in the preseason, staring down his receiver.

His physical gifts aren't going to go away anytime soon. He needs to get up to speed before he's ready to take the reigns full time. I'd prefer him to do that without the pressure to win games and the scrutiny of the media & fans pressing down on him. Right now it's the honeymoon phase with Cutler, but he's in for a dose of cold reality when he takes the starting job and has the weight of the entire franchise on his shoulders. Welcome to Denver, kid.

I think this whole argument is revolving around one basic difference of opinions.

Taco thinks Jay's better than Jake right now. I think Jake's better right now. I doubt we're going to argue one another out of those positions, so I'm out.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by killericon

I think this whole argument is revolving around one basic difference of opinions.

Taco thinks Jay's better than Jake right now. I think Jake's better right now. I doubt we're going to argue one another out of those positions, so I'm out.

Physically speaking, I think Jay's better than Jake right now too. Anyone who saw the preseason games could see it.

That's not enough to make me want to rush him into the starting job, though. Bring him along at a steady pace and when he's ready, look the **** out.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Physically speaking, I think Jay's better than Jake right now too. Anyone who saw the preseason games could see it.

That's not enough to make me want to rush him into the starting job, though. Bring him along at a steady pace and when he's ready, look the **** out.

Jake's a better QB though. Cutler can make better throws, but Plummer's NFL experience gives him a huge upper hand, making reads, reading defenses...Gut instincts...

Give Cutler 1 1/2 seasons, and he'll be better. As of RIGHT NOW, though, I think, Plummer's the better QB.

[baja]

Originally Posted by killericon

I think this whole argument is revolving around one basic difference of opinions.

Taco thinks Jay's better than Jake right now. I think Jake's better right now. I doubt we're going to argue one another out of those positions, so I'm out.

Shanny has managed jake into a winning QB what makes you think he can't do the same with jay early on. Not giving him more than he can handle but a little more each week. I'm not ready to say I think Jay should start but to say Shanny could not "handle" Jay's short comings as he has handled Jake's short comings is not logical.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by baja fan

Shanny has managed jake into a winning QB wehat makes you thinkhe can't do the same with jay early on. Not giving him more than he can handle but a little more each week. I'm not readdy to say I think Jay should start but to say Shanny could not "handle" Jay's short cummings as he has handled Jake's short cummings is not logical.

...I agree. I think that, like I said, in about a season and a half, Shanhan will have groomed Cutler into a premier QB, and he will be vastly superior to Plummer.

However, to think that Shanahan can take Cutler and do with him in 8 months what it took 3 years with Plummer to do is also illogical.

Cutler's coming. He'll be scary, but he's not here yet.

[Odysseus]

I trust Shanahan. I'm waiting.

[Northman]

Although i prefer to have Culter sit for a year or so i have to admit im excited to see what he can do in real time. Should Jake go down i would enjoy watching Jay work.

[riiiiick]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Here's more honesty. We aren't going to the super bowl with Plummer. We lack two things to make it to the big game: A pass rush and a franchise offensive player.

I firmly believe that you need either a top five QB or a top five running back to get to the Super Bowl (sometimes both) and right now none of our starters are at that level. Mike Bell would have to become TD and Tatum would have to become Tiki Barber and I don't see that happening.

Even if it did, we don't have enough preasure from the front four to get us there.

Jake has a lot of weapons and great protection this year. He's going to make a lot of plays for us, but after four years of learning and watching him in the preseason I'm convinced we've seen the summit and he's not going to get any better. I still think he's a very good QB for us and will get us at least ten games this season and keep the others close, and I also think that we'll get into the playoffs and win a few games, but we're not going over the top until Cutler steps in and comes into his own and our front four can manufacture some kind of consistant pass rush on its own.

1 game away last year, maybe even one champ tip/pick for TD away and your convinced we can't go there with this team/plummer at QB? your a pro at analysis, khan, but this one doesn't make any sense

[riiiiick]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Screw injury. I want Jay to start over Plummer simply for the fact that I can't suffer another Jake Plummer playoff choke. I've seen enough of Jay to know he's got all the tools, and just needs the experience. Experience and knowledge of our system is the only thing Plummer has on Jay right now, and there's only one way to fix that.

I think Plummer is an excellent care-taker, but I think he's a road block at this point. He's a great week to week quarterback, but in the big games, he's his own worst enemy.

I hope Jay is starting by the end of the season just for the fact that he's the best arm this team has, and if Shanahan can manage an arm like Plummer's to a 13 win season, imagine what he can do with someone more talented.

choke? i submit almost all nfl QB's NEED the experience of losing do or die games before they win it all. at this level it's not so much choking as it is getting outplayed by more experienced players who have been there, lost and want it more. each year this team has went farther with jake. that's called improvement and until that stops, why change? just because some kid has a rocket arm and great potential? you and khan are great on here, but this one doesn't make sense. i am eager to see this season unfold.

[Florida_Bronco]

Originally Posted by baja fan

Shanny has managed jake into a winning QB what makes you think he can't do the same with jay early on. Not giving him more than he can handle but a little more each week. I'm not ready to say I think Jay should start but to say Shanny could not "handle" Jay's short comings as he has handled Jake's short comings is not logical.

Going by that, I'm going to trust Shanahan to make the right decision, one which I believe will (and should be) sitting Jay his first year.

[Circle Orange]

See "Cutler Mania, Plummer Panic" thread.

[Orange_Beard]

I am not a Plummer fan. However the guy has earned his position. I don't wish any ill fate on him. Cutler will get his shot in due time.

If I do have any "secret hope", it is that the Broncos find a way to get Nate Webster on the field.

[Spider]

ok I fess up ... I dont want Jake hurt , Jake is our Season this year , but man I want to see Boy wonder in a pressure game ....... a glimpse of the future ......

[OrangeShadow]

nope

[Rohirrim]

I can wait. I'm perfectly okay with letting Jay get all the time he needs. Jake can win with this team right now and we'll have years to watch Jay.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

It's best for the 2006 Denver Bronco squad and Jay Cutler's development for him to have a redshirt year. Win-win proposition all around. It is critical that he be allowed a full season to fully prepare himself for what should be an outstanding career. While game experience is certainly important, there is alot to be said about having a substantial period of time to just "soak it in". He should have a full season to study in peace and at his own pace without the pressure and undue stress of simultaneously having to carry a whole franchise on his back as a rookie. That approach will provide us with the biggest benefit long term.

A full season of observation, contemplation, study and repetition free from such worries is ideal. Cutler should learn by osmosis this year. Fans like the instant gratification and all but that is extremely dangerous at the QB position in particular. There is no need to jeopardize anything this year, we have a chance to do some good things with Jake. Jake may do poorly again in the playoffs, but that is a better result...a far better result than to unnecessarily rush our future star into the starting role without the proper period of week to week and month to month classroom and field development. There is definitely the potential for true greatness here...no need to even take the risk of stunting development or rushing the issue.

This pretty much sums it up. I like Jay alot but have held my ground that needs time to fully get ajusted . I also think he could do just as well as Plummer this year. But giving him a year to pre-pair and get use to it I think he will make this league his playground (well with all of the other weapons we have).

[Drek]

No way. Jake is our best regular season QB on the roster by far. Its his team, we'll see Jay in blowout games anyways. The only time when I'd consider pulling Jake for Jay with a game in the balance is in the playoffs, staring down elimination, if Jake isn't getting the job done.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That's nice, you look like a Helen.

Helen, we're both in sales.

Let me tell you why I suck as a sales man.

Let's say I go into some guys office and let's say hes even remotely interested in buying something. Well then I get all excited I'm like Jojo the idiot circus boy with a pretty new pet. The pet is my possible sale. Oh , my pretty little pet, I love you. So I stoke it, and I pet it, and I massage it, hehe I love it, I love my little naughty pet, your naughty. Then I take my naughty pet and I go NYAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!

Uuuuuuh. I killed it. I killed my sale

[baja]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

That's nice, you look like a Helen.

Helen, we're both in sales.

Let me tell you why I suck as a sales man.

Let's say I go into some guys office and let's say hes even remotely interested in buying something. Well then I get all excited I'm like Jojo the idiot circus boy with a pretty new pet. The pet is my possible sale. Oh , my pretty little pet, I love you. So I stoke it, and I pet it, and I massage it, hehe I love it, I love my little naughty pet, your naughty. Then I take my naughty pet and I go NYAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!

Uuuuuuh. I killed it. I killed my sale

I could Fed - Ex you that bleach....

[toad]

Assuming Jake can put up similiar numbers to last year, I think I have to stick with him for this season.

The chances of Cutler, even as good as he's looked, pulling a Marino or Roethlisberger as a rookie is VERY slim.

I expect Jake to throw for ~3600 yards, 20-22 TDs, and 11-12 INTs. Having 2 quality receivers and another year in the system should help him out a little more.

At this point, I still just have to think Jake is the best chance to get to the SB.

[Old Dude]

I just keep thinking back to the Elway-DeBerg situation years ago.

Elway was thrown into the fray before he was ready and his confidence took a beating. He pulled through, but most people in the organization look back at that as a mistake.

Granted that, as a rookie, Elway relied more heavily on his athleticism, whereas Cutler might be slightly more polished in terms of mechanics and reading the D, and also granted that Cutler would have a more talented supporting cast ...

... but expectations would run higher as well.

I think Shanahan and the staff will make the right call at the right time.

[55CrushEm]

Originally Posted by killericon

I believe this season is our last shot at the Super bowl for another 5 years at least.

WHY

Edit: Forget it.....I see that you already answered it.....but I'll have to disagree.....this season is NOT our only chance at a SB for the next 5+ years.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

That's nice, you look like a Helen.

Helen, we're both in sales.

Let me tell you why I suck as a sales man.

Let's say I go into some guys office and let's say hes even remotely interested in buying something. Well then I get all excited I'm like Jojo the idiot circus boy with a pretty new pet. The pet is my possible sale. Oh , my pretty little pet, I love you. So I stoke it, and I pet it, and I massage it, hehe I love it, I love my little naughty pet, your naughty. Then I take my naughty pet and I go NYAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!

Uuuuuuh. I killed it. I killed my sale

let me guess getting abused like you do is , this abuse is good therapy for your bed wetting problem .....