OK fess up how many of you secretly hope....

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by killericon

If not, I believe this season is our last shot at the Super bowl for another 5 years at least.

How ya figure?

This is a young team now - a very young team.

Nalen, Rod, Lynch and Elam are the only graybeards left.

[Broncojef]

Here's a thing I miss... remember when Elway would walk to the line of scrimage at the start of the game and they'd announce at Quarterback for the Broncos #7 John Elllllwwwaaaaayyyy the crowd would sometimes cheer so long and loud Elway would make the settle down gesture to the crowd. I haven't seen that since he retired and think someday Cutler will be doing the same thing. Like fans actually were excited about their QB.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Screw injury. I want Jay to start over Plummer simply for the fact that I can't suffer another Jake Plummer playoff choke. I've seen enough of Jay to know he's got all the tools, and just needs the experience. Experience and knowledge of our system is the only thing Plummer has on Jay right now, and there's only one way to fix that.

I think Plummer was an excellent care-taker, but I think he's a road block at this point. He's a great week to week quarterback, but in the big games, he's his own worst enemy.

I hope Jay is starting by the end of the season just for the fact that he's the best arm this team has.

Then go ahead and just say that you're willing to risk pissing away an entire season and missing the playoffs entirely.

Carson Palmer had all the tools too, but the Bengals still played it smart and gave him a year to learn the offense, study NFL defenses and get prepared to be the man. Two years later, he's one of the top QB's in the NFL.

Come on, you can't possibly be this shortsighted.

[bpc]

I think we can win the super bowl with Jake. We are right up there with everybody else.

We can't however run our full offense.

I don't want Jay to play until we get our running back situation established... then after that i'm down. HOpefully Jake stays healthy all year though and we win the super bowl with him. Jake has always been a great Bronco and his winning percentage in Denver is unreal.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Come on, you can't possibly be this shortsighted.

Taco blames Jake for everything. I think when he wakes up in the morning and stubs his toe on a piece of furniture he probably curses and mumbles something about Jake Plummer moving his dresser sideways a few inches.

[BroncoBuff]

yeah ... I'm excited about Cutler, but never was for Plummer.

And now I'm worried. That page 2 ESPN guy has a point. Jake is a kind of delicate personality ... flipping the bird, the car "accident", calling out the fans, reaming out that RMN columnist about his cheerleader gf ... those are all pretty strange events. And he hasn't had a young Turk pushing him for a job since, I'm guessing - junior high?

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

How ya figure?

This is a young team now - a very young team.

Nalen, Rod, Lynch and Elam are the only graybeards left.

Plummer has one season left in the Orange and Blue as a full-time, unquestioned starter, and at this point, Plummer is much better than Cutler. Cutler will have growing pains.

Once Rod retires(I figure this is his last season) we find ourselves in an identical situation to what we had before we got Walker...Only one decent Receiver. That's ASSUMING Walker even pans out.

Our Defensive line has no past, and no future(except Dumervil). When Lynch retires, we find ourselves with yet ANOTHER hole to fill, which will be overlooked compared to D-line.

Nalen retiring is a big deal by my estimation. You never know just how much that could affect our line...which would of course affect our Run game.

Right now, we have all the pieces in place. Frankly, if we don't get it this season, the pieces will start falling off a lot faster than we can pick them up.

[BroncoBuff]

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[Killericon]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

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Exactly.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Then go ahead and just say that you're willing to risk pissing away an entire season and missing the playoffs entirely.

Carson Palmer had all the tools too, but the Bengals still played it smart and gave him a year to learn the offense, study NFL defenses and get prepared to be the man. Two years later, he's one of the top QB's in the NFL.

Come on, you can't possibly be this shortsighted.

Bah... We could win it all with this kid right now. We're no better prepared to win a Superbowl with a lesser arm who can't get it done on third downs than a kid who can actually toss the rock.

Starting Jay wouldn't be pissing away anything.

And the Carson Palmer/Bengals comparison doesn't fly. The bengals needed a whole new organizational outlook. We have a championship mentality already in our locker room... Not to mention a mastermind who managed to take a talent like Plummer and turn him into this other thing despite his big game choker tendancies. You seriously lack faith in Shanahan that you don't think he could take this team further with a more talented quarterback...

I'm ready to ditch this "no mistake Jake" crap and get our real quarterback on the field.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by killericon

Plummer has one season left in the Orange and Blue as a full-time, unquestioned starter, and at this point, Plummer is much better than Cutler. Cutler will have growing pains.

Once Rod retires(I figure this is his last season) we find ourselves in an identical situation to what we had before we got Walker...Only one decent Receiver. That's ASSUMING Walker even pans out.

First, this is Plummer's final season in Denver, period. I firmly believe that. Jake is good enough to start in this league and there will be teams interested. Traded, released, whatever. This will be Plummer's last season in Denver.

What exactly makes you think that this is Rod's final season? He has no history of major injuries, his work ethic is legendary, he can still produce at a high level and all of his comments so far seem to indicate that he has no plans of hanging 'em up any time soon.

Also, what's this stuff about Walker "panning out?" He's not an unproven rookie with upside, the guy had an All-Pro season before he got injured. All accounts are that the knee is fine and he's raring to rip this season. He's got a lot to play for this year. Up to, including and especially his contract extension that he won't see a dime of if he doesn't produce. Expect big things out of Javon Walker this season.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Bah... We could win it all with this kid right now. We're no better prepared to win a Superbowl with a lesser arm who can't get it done on third downs than a kid who can actually toss the rock.

I'll bet he can walk on water, too. Maybe even turn water into wine?

When building my Superbowl team, I'll take 10 years of NFL experience over superior, yet untested, athleticism all 7 days of the week. Twice on Sunday.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

First, this is Plummer's final season in Denver, period. I firmly believe that. Jake is good enough to start in this league and there will be teams interested. Traded, released, whatever. This will be Plummer's last season in Denver.

What exactly makes you think that this is Rod's final season? He has no history of major injuries, his work ethic is legendary, he can still produce at a high level and all of his comments so far seem to indicate that he has no plans of hanging 'em up any time soon.

Also, what's this stuff about Walker "panning out?" He's not an unproven rookie with upside, the guy had an All-Pro season before he got injured. All accounts are that the knee is fine and he's raring to rip this season. He's got a lot to play for this year. Up to, including and especially his contract extension that he won't see a dime of if he doesn't produce. Expect big things out of Javon Walker this season.

ONE All-Pro season while catching balls from a HOF QB in a Wide open, Gunslinging offense.

I do expect big things from Javon. I really do...I was just saying.

Perhaps he'll just get tired of playing? It usually happens at around his age.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Taco blames Jake for everything. I think when he wakes up in the morning and stubs his toe on a piece of furniture he probably curses and mumbles something about Jake Plummer moving his dresser sideways a few inches.

I don't blame Jake for anything. I just recognize him for what he is: a guy Shanahan pulled off the scrap heap and turned into something else.

I don't blame jake for everything though. In fact, I only blame him for his interceptions in post season games... All six of them in four appearances. But just because Jake's a playoff choker doesn't mean the defense should be excused for their role in the losses. They should stop the other team, even if our offense is busy choking away the field position battle.

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Bah... We could win it all with this kid right now. We're no better prepared to win a Superbowl with a lesser arm who can't get it done on third downs than a kid who can actually toss the rock.

Starting Jay wouldn't be pissing away anything.

And the Carson Palmer/Bengals comparison doesn't fly. The bengals needed a whole new organizational outlook. We have a championship mentality already in our locker room... Not to mention a mastermind who managed to take a talent like Plummer and turn him into this other thing despite his big game choker tendancies. You seriously lack faith in Shanahan that you don't think he could take this team further with a more talented quarterback...

I'm ready to ditch this "no mistake Jake" crap and get our real quarterback on the field.

Dude, I think you need to get some rest, seriously. Either that or your Jake Plummer hate has taken you to the point of dementia.

We're better off with someone who's never seen real NFL defenses? We're better off with someone with zero actual game experience? That's going to take us to the Super Bowl? Oh wait, I guess that's negated because the Broncos have a championship mentality in the locker room. Sure.

I lack faith in Shanahan because I don't think he can win a Super Bowl with a rookie QB? Whatever you say, TJ.

I can't tell if your schtick is just Plummer hating or Cutler homerism. Looks like an unhealthy mixture of both.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by killericon

I'll bet he can walk on water, too. Maybe even turn water into wine?

When building my Superbowl team, I'll take 10 years of NFL experience over superior, yet untested, athleticism all 7 days of the week. Twice on Sunday.

So you're not willing to "waste" this season testing that superior athleticism, but you're willing to "waste" next season doing it?

Like I said... Screw this "no mistake Jake" crap... I'm ready for our real quarterback, and I'm ready to ride shotgun with him win or lose because I actually believe he's capable of winning it all. I only wish Jake hadn't beat that out of me.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I don't blame Jake for anything.

Originally Posted by Taco John

In fact, I only blame him for his interceptions in post season games...

[baja]

Wonder how the players would take to a QB switch

[Clockwork Orange]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I don't blame Jake for anything. I just recognize him for what he is: a guy Shanahan pulled off the scrap heap and turned into something else.

I don't blame jake for everything though. In fact, I only blame him for his interceptions in post season games... All six of them in four appearances. But just because Jake's a playoff choker doesn't mean the defense should be excused for their role in the losses. They should stop the other team, even if our offense is busy choking away the field position battle.

Yet you fail to mention the defense giving up 90 points in two trips to Indy or being incapable of getting off the field on 3rd down against Pittsburgh while you're turning every thread you can into a Plummer bashfest.

I bet it was Plummer's fault for not running on the field and touching Marvin Harrison when the defenders forgot to. Damn Jake.

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by killericon

Laugh it up. Doesn't matter to me. I pardon him for his fumbles... Apparently holding onto the ball isn't a requirement when you're under pressure, so he gets a pass. I can't think of anything else I could blame him for, unless I wanted to break down his third down stats... But that could easily be blamed on our running attack and lack of a real third down receiving presence. Hard to blame Jake for that.

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by Taco John

So you're not willing to "waste" this season testing that superior athleticism, but you're willing to "waste" next season doing it?

Like I said... Screw this "no mistake Jake" crap... I'm ready for our real quarterback, and I'm ready to ride shotgun with him win or lose because I actually believe he's capable of winning it all. I only wish Jake hadn't beat that out of me.

Yes, I would be, because like I said, I think that this season is out best shot at the Lombardi. Next season, I've practically written off. I mean, we'll make the Playoffs, sure, but Superbowl? Please.

I say, we take our shot at the Lombardi this year, and Plummer gives us our best shot at winning it, IMO.

After this year, let Cutler's schooling begin.

[BroncoBuff]

Alan Faneca got raked over the coals when he said "nobody wants to have a rookie starting at quarterback," and then Big Ben won 10 straight.

What will they do to baja?

[Killericon]

Originally Posted by Taco John

Laugh it up. Doesn't matter to me. I pardon him for his fumbles... Apparently holding onto the ball isn't a requirement when you're under pressure, so he gets a pass. I can't think of anything else I could blame him for, unless I wanted to break down his third down stats... But that could easily be blamed on our running attack and lack of a real third down receiving presence. Hard to blame Jake for that.

Oh come on...You have to chuckle at the two contradicting sentences 3 cm apart. It's funny!

[SoCalBronco]

It's best for the 2006 Denver Bronco squad and Jay Cutler's development for him to have a redshirt year. Win-win proposition all around. It is critical that he be allowed a full season to fully prepare himself for what should be an outstanding career. While game experience is certainly important, there is alot to be said about having a substantial period of time to just "soak it in". He should have a full season to study in peace and at his own pace without the pressure and undue stress of simultaneously having to carry a whole franchise on his back as a rookie. That approach will provide us with the biggest benefit long term.

A full season of observation, contemplation, study and repetition free from such worries is ideal. Cutler should learn by osmosis this year. Fans like the instant gratification and all but that is extremely dangerous at the QB position in particular. There is no need to jeopardize anything this year, we have a chance to do some good things with Jake. Jake may do poorly again in the playoffs, but that is a better result...a far better result than to unnecessarily rush our future star into the starting role without the proper period of week to week and month to month classroom and field development. There is definitely the potential for true greatness here...no need to even take the risk of stunting development or rushing the issue.

[BroncoBuff]

His statements were taken out of context.