The Deep Ball - The Orange Mane

Lidderer · 09-01-2006, 04:54 PM

http://thefootballscientist.com/scie...all/sample.pdf

Around page 16 or 18 of the pdf file, KC Joyner goes into QBs who throw the deep ball, and lists all sorts of stats regarding this.

It should help settle the Lelie debate a little, since Jake is a lot worse at throwing the long ball than I imagined.

Fodder for the naysayers, which I'm reluctant to hand out, but the pdf itself is interesting anyway for those unfamiliar with Joyner.

-Slap- · 09-01-2006, 05:01 PM

Based on those statistics, Drew Brees is about the best in the League at bombing the football downfield. I've always contended he's extremely underrated, so I'm not surprised by this.

Atwater His Ass · 09-01-2006, 05:25 PM

It was nice to see Cutler throw some nice deep balls in the preseason. Hopefully this will be an area we become better again when his time comes.

I'm 100% behind Plummer for this year, but the man just doesn't throw a good deep ball. They always seem to float on him a little bit and his down field accuracy isnt' that good.

Ballhawk · 09-01-2006, 05:31 PM

Further down also shows what a horrible blocker Putz was. Schef is an upgrade in bot receiving and blocking IMO.

Hercules Rockefeller · 09-01-2006, 05:35 PM

No way could QB Jesus be partially to blame for the lack of a downfield attack from this team.

Bob's your Information Minister · 09-01-2006, 05:42 PM

Plummer way down the list on near interceptions...funny...

Heh. This pretty much disproves O4L's theory that Plummer throws a 'gorgeous' deep ball.

! It just keeps getting better as I read more:

Completed Inaccurate Deep Passes - 1. Plummer

Northman · 09-01-2006, 05:49 PM

Even more hilarious is that Brian Griese is 15th to Jake's 37th. LMAO

Bob's your Information Minister · 09-01-2006, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anubis

Even more hilarious is that Brian Griese is 15th to Jake's 37th. LMAO

*forwards to FireShanahan.com*

Bob's your Information Minister · 09-01-2006, 05:53 PM

Oh, this is rich.

Inaccurate deep passes -

Plummer - 19

Griese - 1

Merlin · 09-01-2006, 05:56 PM

This illustrates some of the problems with statistically analysing football. The role/play of the receiver affects the outcome of a play yet it sometimes it is difficult to quantify (e.g. poor route running, bad timing, etc). For example, in the Miami game last yr Lelie gave up on a couple of deep throws that were easy TDs if Lelie had run through his route, but instead he cut them short and the ball falls long, thus raising the question, did Lelie give up to soon or did Plumer throw it too deep. Well Lelie could definitely have reach them in stride if he had continued.

Of course the other Red Flag is SOB being rated above

Clockwork Orange · 09-01-2006, 06:01 PM

Now if we can just come up with the stats that prove that Shanahan and Kubiak were intentionally trying to sabotage poor Ashley Moss, his fanboys will have completely absolved him of all wrongdoings.

Oh, and Bob:

Jake 2
TrINT 0

I know how much you loooove numbers.

Spider · 09-01-2006, 06:01 PM

I havent got to see the final preseason game , cant wait untill I do , but it sounds like Cutler bounced back well from the pick ........

Spider · 09-01-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Now if we can just come up with the stats that prove that Shanahan and Kubiak were intentionally trying to sabotage poor Ashley Moss, his fanboys will have completely absolved him of all wrongdoings.

Oh, and Bob:

Jake 2
TrINT 0

I know how much you loooove numbers.

I thought Kubes was acting funny

Bob's your Information Minister · 09-01-2006, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Now if we can just come up with the stats that prove that Shanahan and Kubiak were intentionally trying to sabotage poor Ashley Moss, his fanboys will have completely absolved him of all wrongdoings.

Oh, and Bob:

Jake 2
TrINT 0

I know how much you loooove numbers.

Herm 2
Shanahan 1

Clockwork Orange · 09-01-2006, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Herm 2
Shanahan 1

Shanahan 2
Herm 0

In the category that truly matters, anyway.

Arkie · 09-01-2006, 06:06 PM

Griese only threw 19 deep balls

Clockwork Orange · 09-01-2006, 06:09 PM

Besides, this issue has been taken care of.

Northman · 09-01-2006, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Besides, this issue has been taken care of.

Indeed it has.

Merlin · 09-01-2006, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Herm 2
Shanahan 1

What was your last coaches record before he went to KC

Yes, that would be a straight ride to a SB and a win. What was his record immediately after going to KC 1 playoff appearance and ZERO playoff wins. But Her (a coach with no recognizable accomplishments) is going to break that habit... We'll believe when we see it. Until then he is just another coach in a long line of KC LOSERS!

Willynowei · 09-01-2006, 06:35 PM

I think expectations for Jake are too high.

Jake can't throw gorgeous balls period. I've never seen him throw a gorgeous ball, long short or whatever, he's athletic and he can put some zip on it but none of his throws will wow you.

The question is, does that matter?

Not much, I want a superbowl, and i think Jake is plenty good enough to get his team a trophy. He's mobile, and athletic, he also is a reason for Denvers run success the QB in our system has to make the Run audibles.

Jakes fine, he earned a pro bowl trip last year, i mean if he can get do enough to win, then who the hell cares how ugly or pretty it looks? Would you all rather have Vick out there? He'll go lose, and look damn good doing it.

Bob's your Information Minister · 09-01-2006, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Willynowei

Would you all rather have Vick out there? it.

Vick and Plummer have both reached AFC Championship games on the strength of their defenses.

Clockwork Orange · 09-01-2006, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Vick and Plummer have both reached AFC Championship games on the strength of their defenses.

And you wish you could say the same about your QB.

Bob's your Information Minister · 09-01-2006, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

And you wish you could say the same about your QB.

Yes, his defense has held him back. Without question. That is life. Dan Fouts went through an entire career of it.

watermock · 09-01-2006, 06:52 PM

I wanted Brodie Frayle...dammit...

Can anyone be so wrong, so igonorant, so outright moronic as Man Boobs?

Just yesterday "I am scareded".

Bob's your Information Minister · 09-01-2006, 06:53 PM

Brodie Croyle took a lot of big hits this preseason. So much for him being frail.

09-01-2006, 04:54 PM	#1
Lidderer & Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,780	The Deep Ball http://thefootballscientist.com/scie...all/sample.pdf Around page 16 or 18 of the pdf file, KC Joyner goes into QBs who throw the deep ball, and lists all sorts of stats regarding this. It should help settle the Lelie debate a little, since Jake is a lot worse at throwing the long ball than I imagined. Fodder for the naysayers, which I'm reluctant to hand out, but the pdf itself is interesting anyway for those unfamiliar with Joyner.

09-01-2006, 06:52 PM	#24
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	I wanted Brodie Frayle...dammit... Can anyone be so wrong, so igonorant, so outright moronic as Man Boobs? Just yesterday "I am scareded". Last edited by watermock; 09-01-2006 at 06:55 PM..

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09-01-2006, 05:01 PM	#2
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Based on those statistics, Drew Brees is about the best in the League at bombing the football downfield. I've always contended he's extremely underrated, so I'm not surprised by this.

09-01-2006, 05:25 PM	#3
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,362 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	It was nice to see Cutler throw some nice deep balls in the preseason. Hopefully this will be an area we become better again when his time comes. I'm 100% behind Plummer for this year, but the man just doesn't throw a good deep ball. They always seem to float on him a little bit and his down field accuracy isnt' that good.

09-01-2006, 05:31 PM	#4
Ballhawk Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,132	Further down also shows what a horrible blocker Putz was. Schef is an upgrade in bot receiving and blocking IMO.

09-01-2006, 05:35 PM	#5
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,005 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	No way could QB Jesus be partially to blame for the lack of a downfield attack from this team.

09-01-2006, 05:42 PM	#6
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Plummer way down the list on near interceptions...funny... Heh. This pretty much disproves O4L's theory that Plummer throws a 'gorgeous' deep ball. ! It just keeps getting better as I read more: Completed Inaccurate Deep Passes - 1. Plummer

09-01-2006, 05:49 PM	#7
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	Even more hilarious is that Brian Griese is 15th to Jake's 37th. LMAO

09-01-2006, 05:53 PM	#9
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Oh, this is rich. Inaccurate deep passes - Plummer - 19 Griese - 1

09-01-2006, 05:56 PM	#10
Merlin Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,798	This illustrates some of the problems with statistically analysing football. The role/play of the receiver affects the outcome of a play yet it sometimes it is difficult to quantify (e.g. poor route running, bad timing, etc). For example, in the Miami game last yr Lelie gave up on a couple of deep throws that were easy TDs if Lelie had run through his route, but instead he cut them short and the ball falls long, thus raising the question, did Lelie give up to soon or did Plumer throw it too deep. Well Lelie could definitely have reach them in stride if he had continued. Of course the other Red Flag is SOB being rated above

09-01-2006, 06:01 PM	#11
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Now if we can just come up with the stats that prove that Shanahan and Kubiak were intentionally trying to sabotage poor Ashley Moss, his fanboys will have completely absolved him of all wrongdoings. Oh, and Bob: Jake 2 TrINT 0 I know how much you loooove numbers.

09-01-2006, 06:01 PM	#12
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I havent got to see the final preseason game , cant wait untill I do , but it sounds like Cutler bounced back well from the pick ........

09-01-2006, 06:06 PM	#16
Arkie Ring of Famer Gggggrrrrrr rrrraaaahhh Arrrrhhhn. Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 9,083 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quinton Carter	Griese only threw 19 deep balls

09-01-2006, 06:09 PM	#17
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	Besides, this issue has been taken care of.

09-01-2006, 06:35 PM	#20
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,799 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	I think expectations for Jake are too high. Jake can't throw gorgeous balls period. I've never seen him throw a gorgeous ball, long short or whatever, he's athletic and he can put some zip on it but none of his throws will wow you. The question is, does that matter? Not much, I want a superbowl, and i think Jake is plenty good enough to get his team a trophy. He's mobile, and athletic, he also is a reason for Denvers run success the QB in our system has to make the Run audibles. Jakes fine, he earned a pro bowl trip last year, i mean if he can get do enough to win, then who the hell cares how ugly or pretty it looks? Would you all rather have Vick out there? He'll go lose, and look damn good doing it.

09-01-2006, 06:53 PM	#25
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Brodie Croyle took a lot of big hits this preseason. So much for him being frail.