Hypothetical Question re: QB's

[Steve Sewell]

Let's say Jake leads the team to a 3-0 start, and goes down in Week 4 with a season ending injury. Do you have enough confidence in Cutler at this point to believe that he could take the Broncos to a Super Bowl? I just want to get everyone's opinion about this. It seems like the team has a tremendous amount of confidence in him already.

[Steve Sewell]

Cutler's preseason numbers (amazing to me): 40-62 (65% completion), 561 yards (14 yard average per completion, 9 yard average per attempt), 4 TD's, 1 INT.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Honestly i feel that he is good enough right now to compete and take the team to the playoffs, but i am not so sure about how he would hold up in post season when the pressure was on hard and in a possible Super Bowl with all eyes on him since he never had that before. I think he would need at least a year as the starter before he would be prime time ready.

[Hotrod]

Unless SOB's dog in around I feel safe Jake will be fine in week 4

[atomicbloke]

I feel we will be screwed if Jake goes down in week 4. The reason being that from week 5 onwards, we have a really tough schedule.

Even though Jay has looked good, he still doesnt have the big game experience and I am not sure he can do well against the good defenses like the Steelers....

He eventually will be a great player, but I would rather not have too much asked of him this season.

[Donk]

Cutler is the Broncos best QB.

[Kaylore]

How many of these crappy, bad-karma threads do we need?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=45799

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

How many of these crappy, bad-karma threads do we need?

I don't generally believe in Karma, especially as it is generally used, bad this board certainly can make you cringe at times. Is enough to make an agnostic "cross" himself just in case.

[bendog]

I'm nervous just for clicking on the thread.

btw, go away bob.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

Let's say Jake leads the team to a 3-0 start, and goes down in Week 4 with a season ending injury. Do you have enough confidence in Cutler at this point to believe that he could take the Broncos to a Super Bowl? I just want to get everyone's opinion about this. It seems like the team has a tremendous amount of confidence in him already.

i dont have enough confidence to even think he could keep us above .500.

not even elway could get it done his rookie year.
it took elway 3 years to really settle in, and then '86 (his FOURTH year) he really stepped up and established himself as one of the leagues best.

sure, there is the OCCASIONAL qb who does well in his rookie year (marino being the biggest that comes to mind), but its extremely rare.

if plummer goes down, our season is effectively over, and just as bad we risk messing with cutlers head for years to come.
even plummer haters should be praying for jake to stay healthy, because the kid being forced into action this season could break him.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Donk

Cutler is the Broncos best QB.

as popps would say, "thats nice."

he's not right NOW, and since this season is all shanahan is worrying about, you should get used to seeing #16 under center.
if he gets hurt (knock knock knock knock), we could be in trouble on multiple levels.

[2KBack]

Denver is no better than a .500 team if Jake goes down.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

Cutler's preseason numbers (amazing to me): 40-62 (65% completion), 561 yards (14 yard average per completion, 9 yard average per attempt), 4 TD's, 1 INT.

except for last night, they were against scrubs on bad teams.

plummers numbers are pretty awesome too, and they came against 1st teamers.
regardless, its just preseason.

seeing cutlers fumble (despite it being called back) and interception (he saw the defender, and tried to muscle it in. rookie mistake) last night shouldve convinced anyone doubting that he just isnt ready.
tons of talent yes, but not ready to start against 1st teamers from quality teams.
not even CLOSE to being ready.

[Rock Chalk]

Jake, far be it from me to effectively trample your Jake homerism, but Cutler last night - with the fumble and interception - showed me that he is more than capable of stepping in SHOULD Plummer go down.

[Donk]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

i dont have enough confidence to even think he could keep us above .500.

not even elway could get it done his rookie year.
it took elway 3 years to really settle in, and then '86 (his FOURTH year) he really stepped up and established himself as one of the leagues best.

sure, there is the OCCASIONAL qb who does well in his rookie year (marino being the biggest that comes to mind), but its extremely rare.

if plummer goes down, our season is effectively over, and just as bad we risk messing with cutlers head for years to come.
even plummer haters should be praying for jake to stay healthy, because the kid being forced into action this season could break him.

Face it! Cutler is better now then Elway was in his first two years.

[SureShot]

I will sleep like a baby, if Jake goes down.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by Alec

Jake, far be it from me to effectively trample your Jake homerism, but Cutler last night - with the fumble and interception - showed me that he is more than capable of stepping in SHOULD Plummer go down.

He has his head in full on Plummer homer mode, rephrase he's passionate for Plummer that he thinks Plummer is immune from the same type of fumble and INT that he has forgot about Plummers last game. Cutler has shown he can move the football and just admit it Jake this is probably Plummers last year starting in Denver. Plummer's cieling is tapped out, lets see what Cutler can do next year but if Plummer goes down this year who knows what the kid will do. The easy answer is he will suck season over but same thing could of been said about big ben. Cutlers two TD throws last night were two balls Plummer cannot throw. The deep ball Plummer could of completed it maybe not sure he could of slung it 60 yards on a rope and the fade route is one throw plummer consistantly cannot make. Future is bright in mile high city, this draft could be a huge draft kind of like early 90 cowboys drafts.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

i dont have enough confidence to even think he could keep us above .500.

not even elway could get it done his rookie year.
it took elway 3 years to really settle in, and then '86 (his FOURTH year) he really stepped up and established himself as one of the leagues best.

sure, there is the OCCASIONAL qb who does well in his rookie year (marino being the biggest that comes to mind), but its extremely rare.

if plummer goes down, our season is effectively over, and just as bad we risk messing with cutlers head for years to come.
even plummer haters should be praying for jake to stay healthy, because the kid being forced into action this season could break him.

That's not true, Jake.

The Broncos pre-Elway won 2 games. Now Elway played like crap his first games and eventually got benched but once he was starting again he played pretty much better. In '83 they won 9 and Elway led the team to his first fourth quarter come back down double digits in the final eight minutes against the Colts.

The following year the Broncos won 13 games and made the playoffs, so the whole "Elway couldn't cut it til his fourth year" thing isn't very true.

There are a ton of rookie QB's that start right away and it doesn't "ruin them for years." Cutler particular played under duress most of his career, played four years and it's obvious that the game isn't too fast for him. I sincerely believe he could start by mid-season once he has a decent grasp of the offense and lead us into the playoffs.

I didn't used to think so, but after watching all his games, seeing the talent level, and watching him progressing so rapidly, I think that we wouldn't tank. Cutler wouldn't be able to win the big one in that instance, but I don't think our pass rush is good enough to take us all the way with Plummer so I guess that point is moot to me.

[NFLBRONCO]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

i dont have enough confidence to even think he could keep us above .500.

not even elway could get it done his rookie year.
it took elway 3 years to really settle in, and then '86 (his FOURTH year) he really stepped up and established himself as one of the leagues best.

sure, there is the OCCASIONAL qb who does well in his rookie year (marino being the biggest that comes to mind), but its extremely rare.

if plummer goes down, our season is effectively over, and just as bad we risk messing with cutlers head for years to come.
even plummer haters should be praying for jake to stay healthy, because the kid being forced into action this season could break him.

Elway had alot crappier team in 83.

I think we would win 8 games if Cutler played he seems pretty poised for a young guy.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

Elway had alot crappier team in 83.

And he got it done.

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

And he got it done.

Um, not in 83 he didnt.

[NOLA Bronco]

Originally Posted by Donk

Cutler is the Broncos best QB.

Getting drafted in the first round, having a strong arm, and playing well in the preseason does not a great QB make.

Cutler may very well be a great QB someday, but Jake has led the Broncos to the playoffs 3 straight years. Thats all that really needs to be said.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Alec

Um, not in 83 he didnt.

Once he came back from being benched, he did.

[orange 4 life]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

That's not true, Jake.

The Broncos pre-Elway won 2 games. Now Elway played like crap his first games and eventually got benched but once he was starting again he played pretty much better. In '83 they won 9 and Elway led the team to his first fourth quarter come back down double digits in the final eight minutes against the Colts.

The following year the Broncos won 13 games and made the playoffs, so the whole "Elway couldn't cut it til his fourth year" thing isn't very true.

There are a ton of rookie QB's that start right away and it doesn't "ruin them for years." Cutler particular played under duress most of his career, played four years and it's obvious that the game isn't too fast for him. I sincerely believe he could start by mid-season once he has a decent grasp of the offense and lead us into the playoffs.

I didn't used to think so, but after watching all his games, seeing the talent level, and watching him progressing so rapidly, I think that we wouldn't tank. Cutler wouldn't be able to win the big one in that instance, but I don't think our pass rush is good enough to take us all the way with Plummer so I guess that point is moot to me.

i WATCHED those games kaylore. i remember them well.
we all knew he was going to be a star, and we appreciated what he did even in year one...

...and we also didnt have ANY other viable option. deberg wasnt even on the same PLANET as plummer is, so the situations are different in that sense also.

elway also led us to a 13-3 season in '84, but he did with 2598 passing yards (thats from memory but im 90% sure its right) and managing the games while making the occasional impressive play.
in '85, we went 11-5, but missed the playoffs, and elway was VERY fun to watch, but also very wild.
'86 is when he settled in and established himself as one of the leagues best (and in some peoples eyes THE best). not before.

point is that plummer isnt deberg, and cutler isnt elway.
there's just no reason to rush in the rookie when we have a guy like jake under center in the meantime.
cutler WILL have growing pains, but he'll have alot less if he sits for a couple years and learns.
he'll have ALOT if God forbid he gets thrown into action this season.

jake

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by orange 4 life

point is that plummer isnt deberg, and cutler isnt elway.
there's just no reason to rush in the rookie when we have a guy like jake under center in the meantime.
cutler WILL have growing pains, but he'll have alot less if he sits for a couple years and learns.
he'll have ALOT if God forbid he gets thrown into action this season.

jake

I agree that Plummer isn't DeBerg. There will never be another John Elway but it's too early to say that Cutler will or won't be the same calibre of player.

The main point I wanted to make is that if Cutler had to play he would a lot better than you're giving him credit for. His deep ball would actually scare defenses and open up the run game more. Our defense is good enough and our offense has enough support that he'd be fine. No, not as good as Plummer, but fine for a rookie QB. And there is no logic to the idea of him being "ruined" if he had to start.