First team Third Downs... - The Orange Mane

Taco John · 08-27-2006, 09:16 PM

Stats lines for the first team offense on third downs:

Jake Plummer
3 completions in 7 attempts
2 First down conversions

Mike Bell
1 first down conversion on 1 attempt

Tatum Bell
2 conversions on 2 attempts (Inlcudes 3rd down TD)

Sum total: In 10 third down attempts the Broncos coverted 5 times (once for a TD) for .500

Garcia Bronco · 08-27-2006, 09:29 PM

Much better. We could't have a harder test than KUBES..

Walker is already paying off on 3RD too. He has to be covered.

2KBack · 08-27-2006, 10:20 PM

I fully expected to have more troubles with Kubes, I was pleasantly surprised.

ØrangeÇrush · 08-27-2006, 10:28 PM

If anyone can gameplan for Shanny it would be Kubiak and Smith...However, I really don't think we looked like a Superbowl contender.

eddie mac · 08-27-2006, 10:31 PM

That'll improve a hell of a lot more when Marshall comes in.

rovolution · 08-27-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ØrangeÇrush

If anyone can gameplan for Shanny it would be Kubiak and Smith...However, I really don't think we looked like a Superbowl contender.

The Colts never look like contenders in preseason, and come reg. season, they look on sharp (too bad they cant do it in the postseason

), so dont worry. What we should enjoy from this is that Javon is looking good out there.

Hulamau · 08-27-2006, 10:32 PM

Actual Super Bowl winners rarely look like Super bowl contenders in preseason.

~Crash~ · 08-27-2006, 10:34 PM

Our run D sucked we are in truble if warren cannot get back or is not able to make much of a difference

Bob's your Information Minister · 08-27-2006, 10:35 PM

I didn't watch the game. I saw Plummer was only 10 of 22. Bad?

ØrangeÇrush · 08-27-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rovolution

The Colts never look like contenders in preseason, and come reg. season, they look on sharp (too bad they cant do it in the postseason

), so dont worry. What we should enjoy from this is that Javon is looking good out there.

I'm not worried, just making an observation. You'd think that a strong Superbowl contender would dominate a team that finished 2-14 last year. I think their team came to play today, and was fired up for the game. What I think this does though is show how limited Jake Plummer can be when the Bootleg is effectively defended against.

rovolution · 08-27-2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ØrangeÇrush

I'm not worried, just making an observation. You'd think that a strong Superbowl contender would dominate a team that finished 2-14 last year. I think their team came to play today, and was fired up for the game. What I think this does though is show how limited Jake Plummer can be when the Bootleg is effectively defended against.

I agree. Plummer needs to develop a better pocket presence.

Dagmar · 08-27-2006, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie mac

That'll improve a hell of a lot more when Marshall comes in.

I'm pumped to see this kid..

Mile High Shack · 08-27-2006, 10:59 PM

should've been 6/10 Kirkus missed a bullet right in his hands........

ØrangeÇrush · 08-27-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rovolution

I agree. Plummer needs to develop a better pocket presence.

at his age/experience. I he hasn't developed by now, he never will. We have to remember that the Texans defense plays our brand of offense every practice. They practice playing against bootlegs and they someone on backside pursuit every time he rolled out. It won't be like that against most teams.

Kaylore · 08-27-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

I didn't watch the game. I saw Plummer was only 10 of 22. Bad?

Yes bad. There was a three and out where he stared down and threw it at Rod Smith three times in a row and Rod was double covered every play.

ØrangeÇrush · 08-27-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Yes bad. There was a three and out where he stared down and threw it at Rod Smith three times in a row and Rod was double covered every play.

At the beginning of the third quarter? The announcers said we were running a slowed down version of the two minute drill....if thats true, not only was it slowed down it was non-existent.

youcandoit1687 · 08-27-2006, 11:39 PM

what were the yardages for the third downs though?

jay had some good boots, one where he threw to cobbsi think, prob coulda run it for some good yardage, he seems to be very fast with the boot, drops the hips well at the turn and bursts pretty fast to the outside. im sure well continue to use that in short yardage. kyle johnson also had some great blocking and that will be very appreciated. id like to see a big body like maybe cobbs get in there for short yardage in the 12, 22, or even 23 packages that they were running today. if we want to run that 23 package we will definitely be keeping atleast 4 TEs including leach, maybe even 5. not so sure about that

s0phr0syne · 08-27-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Yes bad. There was a three and out where he stared down and threw it at Rod Smith three times in a row and Rod was double covered every play.

Hey, I've been lurking for a while here, and while most of the time I agree with stuff you post, I think you're wrong here. While Rod was covered, a big part of the bad numbers for Plummer in this came arose from drops. The aforementioned one by Kircus was one that stuck out, and there were at least 2-3 catches that Rod normally makes that he didn't today, for whatever reason.

Kaylore · 08-27-2006, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by s0phr0syne

Hey, I've been lurking for a while here, and while most of the time I agree with stuff you post, I think you're wrong here. While Rod was covered, a big part of the bad numbers for Plummer in this came arose from drops. The aforementioned one by Kircus was one that stuck out, and there were at least 2-3 catches that Rod normally makes that he didn't today, for whatever reason.

Kircus did have a drop, but that "hurry up" offense they ran where Plummer went three and out they just doubled Rod, and Plummer from snap to throw was just staring at him.

Taco John · 08-28-2006, 01:27 AM

I was disappointed that Scheffler only got two looks tonight... One an early six yard gain, and the other a second down incompletion. I'd like to see us get more production from him on third downs.

Taco John · 08-28-2006, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Much better. We could't have a harder test than KUBES..

I don't know that I'd used the phrase "much better" to describe our third down efforts tonight. Nor do I agree that Kubes defense was such a huge test for us. It's Kubes, but it's still the Texans.

NFLBRONCO · 08-28-2006, 01:34 AM

We played 4 teams who drafted in top 10 in 06 draft. We weren't tested besides we don't take preseason as seriously as these teams do.

Popps · 08-28-2006, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

I was disappointed that Scheffler only got two looks tonight... One an early six yard gain, and the other a second down incompletion. I'd like to see us get more production from him on third downs.

Would have liked to see more of him, and maybe a few more throws to our 3rd WR options. I mean, did we really settle anything tonight in that regard?

Would have liked to see Nash get some carries, but I guess his knee is acting up. Big bummer, there. He still looked the most interesting of any back I've seen out there. Missing this game killed any chance he had of making a move... and probably same with Dayne.

Taco John · 08-28-2006, 02:01 AM

I don't buy the idea that the Broncos don't take the preseason as seriously as any other team. In fact, I believe it's just the opposite. I'm suprised at that take. Shanahan is still our coach, right?

NFLBRONCO · 08-28-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

I don't buy the idea that the Broncos don't take the preseason as seriously as any other team. In fact, I believe it's just the opposite. I'm suprised at that take. Shanahan is still our coach, right?

What I was trying to say teams like the Texans who are trying to develop a winning attitude in preseason want it slightly more then we do. We already know how to win.

08-27-2006, 09:16 PM	#1
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	First team Third Downs... Stats lines for the first team offense on third downs: Jake Plummer 3 completions in 7 attempts 2 First down conversions Mike Bell 1 first down conversion on 1 attempt Tatum Bell 2 conversions on 2 attempts (Inlcudes 3rd down TD) Sum total: In 10 third down attempts the Broncos coverted 5 times (once for a TD) for .500

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08-27-2006, 09:29 PM	#2
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	Much better. We could't have a harder test than KUBES.. Walker is already paying off on 3RD too. He has to be covered.

08-27-2006, 10:20 PM	#3
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,275	I fully expected to have more troubles with Kubes, I was pleasantly surprised.

08-27-2006, 10:28 PM	#4
ØrangeÇrush Aaaayh!!! Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,371	If anyone can gameplan for Shanny it would be Kubiak and Smith...However, I really don't think we looked like a Superbowl contender.

08-27-2006, 10:31 PM	#5
eddie mac Ireland's No1 Bronco Eddie Mac 87 gone but never forgott Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: IRELAND Posts: 15,572 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rod Smith	That'll improve a hell of a lot more when Marshall comes in.

08-27-2006, 10:32 PM	#7
Hulamau Polynesian Paralysis In the Pocket Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Hulaville and Sedona Posts: 8,035 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eric Decker	Actual Super Bowl winners rarely look like Super bowl contenders in preseason.

08-27-2006, 10:34 PM	#8
~Crash~ My new dog Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,600 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kuper	Our run D sucked we are in truble if warren cannot get back or is not able to make much of a difference

08-27-2006, 10:35 PM	#9
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	I didn't watch the game. I saw Plummer was only 10 of 22. Bad?

08-27-2006, 10:59 PM	#13
Mile High Shack Ring of Famer Cock-a-doodle-do Join Date: May 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 17,010	should've been 6/10 Kirkus missed a bullet right in his hands........

08-27-2006, 11:39 PM	#17
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	what were the yardages for the third downs though? jay had some good boots, one where he threw to cobbsi think, prob coulda run it for some good yardage, he seems to be very fast with the boot, drops the hips well at the turn and bursts pretty fast to the outside. im sure well continue to use that in short yardage. kyle johnson also had some great blocking and that will be very appreciated. id like to see a big body like maybe cobbs get in there for short yardage in the 12, 22, or even 23 packages that they were running today. if we want to run that 23 package we will definitely be keeping atleast 4 TEs including leach, maybe even 5. not so sure about that

08-28-2006, 01:27 AM	#20
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I was disappointed that Scheffler only got two looks tonight... One an early six yard gain, and the other a second down incompletion. I'd like to see us get more production from him on third downs.

08-28-2006, 01:34 AM	#22
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,385	We played 4 teams who drafted in top 10 in 06 draft. We weren't tested besides we don't take preseason as seriously as these teams do.

08-28-2006, 02:01 AM	#24
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,697 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I don't buy the idea that the Broncos don't take the preseason as seriously as any other team. In fact, I believe it's just the opposite. I'm suprised at that take. Shanahan is still our coach, right?