Check This Out: Jake Plummer Would Go Seventh In The 2006 QB Draft - The Orange Mane

GonzoLays · 08-25-2006, 01:51 PM

If there was a mythical QB draft for your starting QB(not for Fantasy Football) for the 2006 and 2006 season only, Jake Plummer would go top seven (possibly as high as five but no later that seven). We are not drafting on potential, just for the 2006 season. We are basing this draft of last year's production, injuries, and age.

Top seven QBs for the 2006 season would be:

* Obviously, Peyton Manning
* Obviously, Tom Brady
* Donovan McNabb
* Matt Haselback
* Jake Delhomme
* Ben Rothliesberger
* Jake Plummer --- Jake Plummer 7th best QB in the league for the 2006 season? How can you say that? Well, let us go down the list of why the following players would not be selected before Plummer:

*Eli Manning -- All potential at this point. Had the worst completion precentage of all starting QB's last year. Until he puts it together, Plummer is above him.
*Michael Vick -- All potential at this point. Negatives: gets injured a lot, not that great of passer. For the 2006 season, you got to go with Plummer until Vick establishes himself as a legit QB.
* Trent Green -- He is a hell of a lot older, not as mobile and has benefited from playing behind a hall of fame line. He is due for a drop off.
* Carson Palmer -- He is coming back from a torn knee. You would want Palmer for the future, but if you were just playing for the 2006 season, you would have to take Plummer because he is healthy and Palmer is not.
*. Daunte Culpepper-- See above.
*. Chad Pennington -- See above, above.
*. Byron Leftwhich-- No one in their right mind thinks Leftwhich is a better QB than Plummer at this point. Has a troubling history of injuries. Stats aren't that good either.
*. Mark Brunell --- He's too old, not as mobile.
*. Steve McNair -- Has a bad history with injuries and he is getting older. Not a good combination.
*. Drew Bledsoe -- Much older, less mobile, and Plummer had better stats than him last year. I would pick Plummer over Bledsoe. I'm sure a lot of people would too.
*. Drew Brees -- Coming off a baaaaaaaad shoulder injury.

And the rest of the QB's are not even worth mentioning(Brooks, Warner, Griese etc) because Plummer is a much better QB.

Who would have thunk it? Jake Plummer is one of the best QBs in the entire league. WOW.

Soopa Bowl here we come, baby!

loborugger · 08-25-2006, 01:59 PM

Shhh... keep that Plummer stuff quiet.... No one wants to hear about him right now, with the annointed one waiting in the wings and all... Jake's just one INT from the bench, u just wait and see.

12th man · 08-25-2006, 02:08 PM

Plummer is great. I think this year is going to be his best year. He's got two pro bowl wr's, Rod won't get doubled teamed as much, and sheff is going to be better than putz this year, plus our running game. Jake is surrounded by great coahces and playmakers. There is no way he can fail, and it's going to be fun watchin him and this offense. and you're right. Super Bowl here we come!

Arkansas Bronco · 08-25-2006, 02:11 PM

I would gladly trade Plummer to anyone for Palmer.

OrangeShadow · 08-25-2006, 02:12 PM

id take carson palmer over jake in a HEARTBEAT

riiiiick · 08-25-2006, 02:14 PM

in wins the last 3 years, he is #3, behind manning and brady

BroncsRule · 08-25-2006, 02:19 PM

I think the Snake is the better of the Jakes - I'd take Plummer ahead of Delhomme.

I'd probably rate Jake slightly ahead of Haselback.

But I'm an unabashed homer.

BroncsRule · 08-25-2006, 02:20 PM

I would take Palmer over Jake.

GonzoLays · 08-25-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkansas Bronco

I would gladly trade Plummer to anyone for Palmer.

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

id take carson palmer over jake in a HEARTBEAT

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Originally Posted by BrncsRule

I would take Palmer over Jake.

Obviously, you boys didn't read the WHY Plummer would go over Carson Palmer. Palmer is coming off a devastating knee injury and might not even start the season for the Bengals. His knee is that torn up. Even if he does play, you don't know how good he is going to be because essentially he is playing on one leg. Like I said earlier, for the FUTURE, you would, without a doubt, select Palmer, but FOR THE 2006 SEASON, Plummer is your man.

Palmer can't be better than Plummer if ain't playing.

Plummer two knees better than Palmer one knee.

Dagmar · 08-25-2006, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Obviously, you boys didn't read the WHY Plummer would go over Carson Palmer. Palmer is coming off a devastating knee injury and might not even start the season for the Bengals. His knee is that torn up. Even if he does play, you don't know how good he is going to be because essentially he is playing on one leg. Like I said earlier, for the FUTURE, you would, without a doubt, select Palmer, but FOR THE 2006 SEASON, Plummer is your man.

Palmer can't be better than Plummer if ain't playing.

Plummer two knees better than Palmer one knee.

Palmer is starting on Monday Vs the Packers.

I would take Palmer over Jake, Palmer is gonna be the best QB this year I think (as long as his knee holds up!)

GonzoLays · 08-25-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagmar

Palmer is starting on Monday Vs the Packers.

I would take Palmer over Jake, Palmer is gonna be the best QB this year I think (as long as his knee holds up!)

Palmer is going to best QB this year? You are out on an island on that one. The guy tore every ligament in his knee and you think he is going to play the full 16 game schedule at a level higher than anyone in the league? Whooooooo. Good luck with that one.

Hercules Rockefeller · 08-25-2006, 02:57 PM

So Denver's got a Top 7 QB only because 2 guys who are absolutely better than him when healthy, aren't, and Eli still hasn't put it together yet? Wow, let the celebration begin.

Dagmar · 08-25-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Palmer is going to best QB this year? You are out on an island on that one. The guy tore every ligament in his knee and you think he is going to play the full 16 game schedule at a level higher than anyone in the league? Whooooooo. Good luck with that one.

orange 4 life · 08-25-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

id take carson palmer over jake in a HEARTBEAT

well sure, if the FUTURE was what you were thinking of.

the point was for THIS SEASON ONLY, and considering this season and ONLY this season is what matters, you'd be pretty crazy to want palmer over plummer, even moreso considering our offense.

also, i'd take plummer over delhomme, hasselback, and roethlisburger.

the steelers have largely won DESPITE roethlisburger and not because of him.
even in his "masterful" afc championship performance, he threw FOUR interceptions.
we just didnt catch any of them.

plummer is one of the best qb's in the league right now, though there are many out there who will surpass him in the next couple/three years.

jake

Taco John · 08-25-2006, 03:01 PM

The rationalization for taking Plummer over Palmer doesn't hold up. Or Eli for that matter.

GonzoLays · 08-25-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

The rationalization for taking Plummer over Palmer doesn't hold up. Or Eli for that matter.

How come?

Taco John · 08-25-2006, 03:03 PM

Also, why isn't Chris Simms on the list? He should at least get mentioned.

Taco John · 08-25-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

How come?

Because Palmer outperformed every quarterback in the league last year, regardless of his injury, and by all accounts, he'll be starting in week one.

And also, the fact that you're not factoring potential kind of defeats the purpose of what a draft is about in the first place.

FADERPROOF · 08-25-2006, 03:05 PM

If you're going to use the injury excuse for Carson Palmer, you shouldn't but Ben Roethlisberger in front of Plummer, considering that Ben is coming off a motorcycle accident and now an injured throwing hand.

GonzoLays · 08-25-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Also, why isn't Chris Simms on the list? He should at least get mentioned.

Oh, I don't know, because he barely had a .500 record as the starter for the Bucs last season and threw 10tds and 7ints? What's so great about that?

epicSocialism4tw · 08-25-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

Also, why isn't Chris Simms on the list? He should at least get mentioned.

Chris Simms is Brian Greise. No wonder you consider him worthy of attention.

Taco John · 08-25-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GonzoLays

Oh, I don't know, because he barely had a .500 record as the starter for the Bucs last season and threw 10tds and 7ints? What's so great about that?

Fair enough... If we absolutely cant factor in potential, then so be it... I just like the way Gruden handles his quarterbacks and think the Simms is going to be alright.

orange 4 life · 08-25-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FADERPROOF

If you're going to use the injury excuse for Carson Palmer, you shouldn't but Ben Roethlisberger in front of Plummer, considering that Ben is coming off a motorcycle accident and now an injured throwing hand.

...and considering that roethlisburger has been protected by the steelers by having to only throw 15 times a game.

the guy will be a great nfl qb (if he comes back strong), but right now he's nothing more than a good qb (who can make a play in a pinch) on a great TEAM.

Taco John · 08-25-2006, 03:10 PM

I wouldn't take Simms over Plummer by any stretch. I just think he deserves mention based on potential.

Beantown Bronco · 08-25-2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by angryllama

Chris Simms is Brian Greise. No wonder you consider him worthy of attention.

Wow....I felt that one all the way over here. I officially love this thread.

08-25-2006, 01:51 PM	#1
GonzoLays Five Tool Poster Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,650 Adopt-a-Bronco: #3 DJ	Check This Out: Jake Plummer Would Go Seventh In The 2006 QB Draft If there was a mythical QB draft for your starting QB(not for Fantasy Football) for the 2006 and 2006 season only, Jake Plummer would go top seven (possibly as high as five but no later that seven). We are not drafting on potential, just for the 2006 season. We are basing this draft of last year's production, injuries, and age. Top seven QBs for the 2006 season would be: * Obviously, Peyton Manning * Obviously, Tom Brady * Donovan McNabb * Matt Haselback * Jake Delhomme * Ben Rothliesberger * Jake Plummer --- Jake Plummer 7th best QB in the league for the 2006 season? How can you say that? Well, let us go down the list of why the following players would not be selected before Plummer: Eli Manning -- All potential at this point. Had the worst completion precentage of all starting QB's last year. Until he puts it together, Plummer is above him. Michael Vick -- All potential at this point. Negatives: gets injured a lot, not that great of passer. For the 2006 season, you got to go with Plummer until Vick establishes himself as a legit QB. * Trent Green -- He is a hell of a lot older, not as mobile and has benefited from playing behind a hall of fame line. He is due for a drop off. * Carson Palmer -- He is coming back from a torn knee. You would want Palmer for the future, but if you were just playing for the 2006 season, you would have to take Plummer because he is healthy and Palmer is not. . Daunte Culpepper-- See above. . Chad Pennington -- See above, above. . Byron Leftwhich-- No one in their right mind thinks Leftwhich is a better QB than Plummer at this point. Has a troubling history of injuries. Stats aren't that good either. . Mark Brunell --- He's too old, not as mobile. . Steve McNair -- Has a bad history with injuries and he is getting older. Not a good combination. . Drew Bledsoe -- Much older, less mobile, and Plummer had better stats than him last year. I would pick Plummer over Bledsoe. I'm sure a lot of people would too. *. Drew Brees -- Coming off a baaaaaaaad shoulder injury. And the rest of the QB's are not even worth mentioning(Brooks, Warner, Griese etc) because Plummer is a much better QB. Who would have thunk it? Jake Plummer is one of the best QBs in the entire league. WOW. Soopa Bowl here we come, baby!

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08-25-2006, 01:59 PM	#2
loborugger lost in the ether Did we finally get a FB??? Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The 'cuse Posts: 5,793 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Shhh... keep that Plummer stuff quiet.... No one wants to hear about him right now, with the annointed one waiting in the wings and all... Jake's just one INT from the bench, u just wait and see.

08-25-2006, 02:08 PM	#3
12th man Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Trinidad Colorado Posts: 1,634	Plummer is great. I think this year is going to be his best year. He's got two pro bowl wr's, Rod won't get doubled teamed as much, and sheff is going to be better than putz this year, plus our running game. Jake is surrounded by great coahces and playmakers. There is no way he can fail, and it's going to be fun watchin him and this offense. and you're right. Super Bowl here we come!

08-25-2006, 02:11 PM	#4
Arkansas Bronco Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,237 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	I would gladly trade Plummer to anyone for Palmer.

08-25-2006, 02:12 PM	#5
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	id take carson palmer over jake in a HEARTBEAT

08-25-2006, 02:14 PM	#6
riiiiick Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 238	in wins the last 3 years, he is #3, behind manning and brady

08-25-2006, 02:19 PM	#7
BroncsRule Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 843 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I think the Snake is the better of the Jakes - I'd take Plummer ahead of Delhomme. I'd probably rate Jake slightly ahead of Haselback. But I'm an unabashed homer.

08-25-2006, 02:20 PM	#8
BroncsRule Perennial Pro-bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 843 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I would take Palmer over Jake.

08-25-2006, 02:57 PM	#12
Hercules Rockefeller Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 16,013 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ Williams	So Denver's got a Top 7 QB only because 2 guys who are absolutely better than him when healthy, aren't, and Eli still hasn't put it together yet? Wow, let the celebration begin.

08-25-2006, 03:01 PM	#15
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	The rationalization for taking Plummer over Palmer doesn't hold up. Or Eli for that matter.

08-25-2006, 03:03 PM	#17
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Also, why isn't Chris Simms on the list? He should at least get mentioned.

08-25-2006, 03:05 PM	#19
FADERPROOF Bucknuts Colossus Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Eastlake OH Posts: 17,338	If you're going to use the injury excuse for Carson Palmer, you shouldn't but Ben Roethlisberger in front of Plummer, considering that Ben is coming off a motorcycle accident and now an injured throwing hand.

08-25-2006, 03:10 PM	#24
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I wouldn't take Simms over Plummer by any stretch. I just think he deserves mention based on potential.