Lebanese President: "Israel lost the war"

[mhgaffney]

Mideast crisis
Israel lost the war and did not achieve its objectives, Lebanese President

Morocco TIMES 8/11/2006 | 5:35 pm
http://www.moroccotimes.com/Paper/ar...idr=6&id=16524

The Lebanese President, Emile Lahoud, affirmed that "Israel lost the war and did not achieve its objectives", adding that "for reasons related to its internal policy, it cannot retreat, thus persisting in its aggression".

During an interview with a Finnish television, the content of which was published Thursday by the Lebanese media, Lahoud affirmed that "for Israel, it is impossible to admit such a fiasco and that's why the Israelis continue their war by hoping to achieve a victory".

"Lebanon was surprised by the American-French draft Resolution because it does not include any point mentioned in the government plan supported by the whole of the Lebanese people," he said, underlining that "the decision, made by the government, to send 15,000 soldiers to southern Lebanon will help the amendment of this draft".

Lahoud explained that "sending such a number of soldiers is a guarantee presented by Lebanon", calling for the "return of the refugees, the number of which exceeds 1 million".

In an answer related to the position of military resistance (Hezbollah) on this subject, Lahoud said that it is "part of the government and it has given its acceptance".

“The preparations for sending Lebanese soldiers to the South started since the beginning of the aggression against Lebanon,” he added.

The Lebanese president did not draw aside the possibility of asking for compensations from Israel for the damage it has been causing since the outbreak of violence.

[mhgaffney]

My view is that everyone lost this war. The planet lost. The environment lost. We have all been impoverished by it. MG

[defenseman]

It hasn't stopped yet, Hezbollah hasn't will not disarm. Like Israel is going to standdown while these idiots take pot shots at them, Fat F*&kin chance. MORON ,....it's not over yet...dman

*little bit of cart before the horse here

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

My view is that everyone lost this war. The planet lost. The environment lost. We have all been impoverished by it. MG

My heart bleeds.....Hezbollah needs to be brought out behind the horse barn and shot through the noggin, every last one of them....terrorists with a diplomatic pass. The president of lebanon is a freakin idiot..dman

[Spider]

there is never a true winner in war , just one side comes out on top , and Hezbollah is far from being on top ..........

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by defenseman

My heart bleeds.....Hezbollah needs to be brought out behind the horse barn and shot through the noggin, every last one of them....terrorists with a diplomatic pass. The president of lebanon is a freakin idiot..dman

Agreed. I cant believe how we treat terrorists. Err..I mean for the UN treats them.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by DBruleU

Agreed. I cant believe how we treat terrorists. Err..I mean for the UN treats them.

so you agree we never should have enforced 1472 , after all the UN is useless ....I knew you would come around to see the light .......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by §Pide®

so you agree we never should have enforced 1472 , after all the UN is useless ....I knew you would come around to see the light .......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by defenseman

It hasn't stopped yet, Hezbollah hasn't will not disarm. Like Israel is going to standdown while these idiots take pot shots at them, Fat F*&kin chance. MORON ,....it's not over yet...dman

Rah rah rah!

Shake your pom poms like a good little cheerleader and shill for the military industrial complex.

If, tomorrow, the doofus in chief declares Greenland an enemy and a member of the axis of evil, you'll lock and load w/o asking any questions and w/o getting any of the facts.

You're no better than the Nazis who stood trial at Nuremberg.

That's why your takes are worthless here.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Rah rah rah!

Shake your pom poms like a good little cheerleader and shill for the military industrial complex.

If, tomorrow, the doofus in chief declares Greenland an enemy and a member of the axis of evil, you'll lock and load w/o asking any questions and w/o getting any of the facts.

You're no better than the Nazis who stood trial at Nuremberg.

That's why your takes are worthless here.

Well said.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Rah rah rah!

Shake your pom poms like a good little cheerleader and shill for the military industrial complex.

If, tomorrow, the doofus in chief declares Greenland an enemy and a member of the axis of evil, you'll lock and load w/o asking any questions and w/o getting any of the facts.

You're no better than the Nazis who stood trial at Nuremberg.

That's why your takes are worthless here.

That's just a bit ridiculous, LA. The same as Nazi's? You must not have done too well on the synonym portion of the SAT.

1.) Nazi is to defenseman as _______ is to LA BRONCOS FAN?

a) social conservative
b) Judge Samuel Alito
c) oil speculator
d) enron exec

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by angryllama

That's just a bit ridiculous, LA. The same as Nazi's? You must not have done too well on the synonym portion of the SAT.

You must not have done too well in elementary ethics.

(But we already knew that.)

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

You must not have done too well in elementary ethics.

(But we already knew that.)

My ethics are fine. And, I desire peace in the ME as much as the next guy. However, I am not willing to turn a blind eye to terrorism and will engage said fools whenever possible. They don't deserve to be breathing air given their need to carry out the death/destruction of israel and western civilization. I stand by my thoughts, israel won't totally and should not stand down, UNLESS hezbollah decides to play ball, that includes DISARMING. If they don't , I'd continue to take the fight to them. They do understand that, and will eventually capitulate if the israeli's don't back off.....dman

*TOO many people are inclined to stick their heads in the sand and think wishing for it to go away is the answer. It's not, and never will be. The terrorists aren't going to standdown, nor should we or the israeli's. A Nazi?, far from it. But, have gotten used to being classed with various evil groups because I endorse taking the fight to the bad guys. Tell you what, you keep your head stuck deep in the sand, we'll cover your backside while you suck dirt, fair enough?..

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Well said.

Trust me, yours and LABF's takes are considered just as worthless by numerous folks here. So right back at ya...dman

[RaiderH8r]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Rah rah rah!

Shake your pom poms like a good little cheerleader and shill for the military industrial complex.

If, tomorrow, the doofus in chief declares Greenland an enemy and a member of the axis of evil, you'll lock and load w/o asking any questions and w/o getting any of the facts.

You're no better than the Nazis who stood trial at Nuremberg.

That's why your takes are worthless here.

I can't believe it took you nine whole posts to go to the Nazi well. You're slipping off your game a bit. Perhaps you should just make your first post in every thread a Nazi reference just to get it out of the way and move on with the rest of your day. Just a time saving suggestion.

[SteveTensi13]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Well said.

You should talk;

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by defenseman

My ethics are fine. And, I desire peace in the ME as much as the next guy.

Good one!

Originally Posted by defenseman

However, I am not willing to turn a blind eye to terrorism and will engage said fools whenever possible.

But you're more than willing to turn a blind eye to the policies that fuel hatred of America and do more to grow terrorist orginizations than anything Bin Laden could manage on his own.

Originally Posted by defenseman

They don't deserve to be breathing air given their need to carry out the death/destruction of israel and western civilization.

If you continue to buy into the simpleton "they just hate us for our freedom and our way of life" propaganda, and if you refuse to see how our policies in their back yards are the real reason for their hatred for us (even your own government says so) then you are essentially voting for never-ending war, and your claim that you want peace in the ME is total BS.

Here is a report written by the Defense Science Board for the Pentagon and Donald Rumsfeld:

http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2...munication.pdf

You'll see that the board states quite unequivocally that they hate us because of our policies in their back yard - not because of our freedom or our way of life.

Originally Posted by defenseman

Tell you what, you keep your head stuck deep in the sand...

Oh, the irony.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by RaiderH8r

I can't believe it took you nine whole posts to go to the Nazi well. You're slipping off your game a bit. Perhaps you should just make your first post in every thread a Nazi reference just to get it out of the way and move on with the rest of your day. Just a time saving suggestion.

I'm just as surprised that it took you just as long to knee-jerk when confronted with the similarities of mindset between the "I was just following orders" defendants and the apologists for the disaster monkey's Iraq policy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by SteveTensi13

You should talk;

Says the Nazi who openly denounces all Muslims and homosexuals.

[mhgaffney]

Originally Posted by defenseman

My ethics are fine. And, I desire peace in the ME as much as the next guy. However, I am not willing to turn a blind eye to terrorism and will engage said fools whenever possible. They don't deserve to be breathing air given their need to carry out the death/destruction of israel and western civilization. I stand by my thoughts, israel won't totally and should not stand down, UNLESS hezbollah decides to play ball, that includes DISARMING. If they don't , I'd continue to take the fight to them. They do understand that, and will eventually capitulate if the israeli's don't back off.....dman

*TOO many people are inclined to stick their heads in the sand and think wishing for it to go away is the answer. It's not, and never will be. The terrorists aren't going to standdown, nor should we or the israeli's. A Nazi?, far from it. But, have gotten used to being classed with various evil groups because I endorse taking the fight to the bad guys. Tell you what, you keep your head stuck deep in the sand, we'll cover your backside while you suck dirt, fair enough?..

I never said you were a Nazi -- just a hypocrite.

If it's true that Bush sees himself in Churchillian terms, our problems in the Mideast are far from over.

We have disasters in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Lebanon. What next?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha!

I can just see W*GS' and SteveCoulter13's heads about to explode here...

"Um, um, um, can I call 'em 'anti-Semites,' or not?"

Israelis want independent probe into war - poll

JERUSALEM, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Most Israelis want an independent investigation into the Lebanon war, an opinion poll showed on Thursday, putting further pressure on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who has ordered a low-level inquiry instead.

Olmert on Monday announced two committees would look into the handling of the war against Hizbollah, rejecting a full state probe headed by a retired judge that could have led to resignations in the government and military.

Some cabinet ministers have criticised the decision and urged a state inquiry. Olmert will seek a vote on his decision at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday and is likely to get agreement despite the misgivings, one political source said.

A poll of 500 people commissioned by Israel Radio said 64 percent of Israelis wanted a full, independent inquiry into the government's conduct, the army's preparedness and its failure to crush a relatively small guerrilla force.

Olmert has acknowledged shortcomings in the way the 34-day campaign against Hizbollah was pursued but said he did not wish to expose the army to a drawn-out investigation.

A shaky ceasefire came into effect on Aug. 14.

The poll also showed poor support for Olmert in his centrist Kadima party.

Some 39 percent of Kadima voters would prefer Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to be the party's candidate for prime minister over Olmert if new elections were held. Only 15 percent would choose Olmert, while 46 percent were undecided.

Despite calls for his resignation over the Lebanon war and a series of government scandals, many political analysts expect Olmert to survive for now, partly because there is no alternative leader waiting in the wings.

There is also little appetite for new elections so soon after polls in March.

The Lebanon war began on July 12 when Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L31328123.htm

[Rohirrim]

"War doesn't prove who's right. Just who's left." Stephen Wright

[Stuck In Texas]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Ha ha ha!

I can just see W*GS' and SteveCoulter13's heads about to explode here...

"Um, um, um, can I call 'em 'anti-Semites,' or not?"

Israelis want independent probe into war - poll

JERUSALEM, Aug 31 (Reuters) - Most Israelis want an independent investigation into the Lebanon war, an opinion poll showed on Thursday, putting further pressure on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert who has ordered a low-level inquiry instead.

Olmert on Monday announced two committees would look into the handling of the war against Hizbollah, rejecting a full state probe headed by a retired judge that could have led to resignations in the government and military.

Some cabinet ministers have criticised the decision and urged a state inquiry. Olmert will seek a vote on his decision at a cabinet meeting on Wednesday and is likely to get agreement despite the misgivings, one political source said.

A poll of 500 people commissioned by Israel Radio said 64 percent of Israelis wanted a full, independent inquiry into the government's conduct, the army's preparedness and its failure to crush a relatively small guerrilla force.

Olmert has acknowledged shortcomings in the way the 34-day campaign against Hizbollah was pursued but said he did not wish to expose the army to a drawn-out investigation.

A shaky ceasefire came into effect on Aug. 14.

The poll also showed poor support for Olmert in his centrist Kadima party.

Some 39 percent of Kadima voters would prefer Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni to be the party's candidate for prime minister over Olmert if new elections were held. Only 15 percent would choose Olmert, while 46 percent were undecided.

Despite calls for his resignation over the Lebanon war and a series of government scandals, many political analysts expect Olmert to survive for now, partly because there is no alternative leader waiting in the wings.

There is also little appetite for new elections so soon after polls in March.

The Lebanon war began on July 12 when Hizbollah guerrillas captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L31328123.htm

It's my understanding that the Isreali public is upset at the conduct and the military strategy while the war was being fought - not against the war itself. My question is how did Hezbollah get that many rockets with a U.N. force supposedly in the area to monitor the situation?

[Stuck In Texas]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

"War doesn't prove who's right. Just who's left." Stephen Wright

Well put. Wright is a genius.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Stuck In Texas

It's my understanding that the Isreali public is upset at the conduct and the military strategy while the war was being fought - not against the war itself.

The point was that neo-cons on this board, e.g., W*GS, SteveCoulter13, et al, have been unrelenting in their attempts to deliberately mischaracterize anyone who criticizes Israel's policies or actions as an "anti-Semite."

But, to address the issue you raise here, it's certainly not true that "the Israeli public" unanimously supported the war.