60 Minutes Expose on Staged Palestinian Battle Scenes and Injuries

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think that this video is the only one I have ever seen that truly makes an attempt to get to the bottom of the 3rd world terror strategy of western media manipulation. It's too bad that this video is years old. You can also include the use of civilian buildings as bases by modern terror groups as a method of western media manipulation.

Does anyone have an idea of why the western outlets havent regulated on these types of manipulations?

http://break.com/index/what_really_h...pallywood.html

[mosca]

Just another instance of not being able to believe everything that you see on TV. That's the world these days... Some of it was actually pretty laughable. Comparing the "injured" Palestinians to football players faking injury, and especially the ambulances that conveniently show up outta nowhere, right on time!

[SteveTensi13]

This is nothing new. During WWI some of the combat footage shown are actually reenactments of the same battle using the same shoulders! Even the defeated German regiment got involved, albeit using empty weapons of course.

[Barry Ramey]

The problem is most of the media in this country and around the world it seems is so eager to comply with terrorist propaganda, which is a strategy for terrorists to get what they want. They are nothing but a tool for these terrorists and much of the media doesn't seem to mind one bit. Yeah, let's believe Israel knowingly goes around killing innocent people on purpose, while Hezbollah cares so much about saving and protecting people. Ridiculous!

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

The problem is most of the media in this country and around the world it seems is so eager to comply with terrorist propaganda, which is a strategy for terrorists to get what they want. They are nothing but a tool for these terrorists and much of the media doesn't seem to mind one bit. Yeah, let's believe Israel knowingly goes around killing innocent people on purpose, while Hezbollah cares so much about saving and protecting people. Ridiculous!

Blasphemy!!!!! You can't say that here on the mane!!!!!This is the exclusive right of the "liberal" media to force feed the "facts" to us all, along with the left here on the mane of course. Better watch out, you get a "POLL" started on you and the "kids" will start passing notes around and my goodness, you'll be in big trouble then there buster brown. Oh my goodness ...dman

[epicSocialism4tw]

So...why are the Palestinians staging these battles and injuries?

The one where they drop the dead guy and he gets back on the stretcher (to the dismay of the children following the stretcher) is especially delicious.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by angryllama

I think that this video is the only one I have ever seen that truly makes an attempt to get to the bottom of the 3rd world terror strategy of western media manipulation.

Actually, it's the Western media that's doing the manipulating of American perception.

Our corporate media is painting a completely different picture of our involvement in the ME for us than the picture the rest of the world sees.

Rashid Khalidi is a Palestinian-American and is one of the top Arab scholars in the US, indeed, the world. He was formerly at the U of Chicago, and now is at Columbia U.

Anger In the Arab World

by Rashid I. Khalidi

In what passes for analysis of the war involving Israel, Lebanon and Palestine in US and Israeli government circles, in the well-oiled PR machine that shills for them, and in much of the US media, we are told about a struggle against terrorism by a state under siege. The basic argument is that Israel is "responding to terrorist violence," and that the only real question is, How soon will Israeli force, backed by American determination, prevail? But this scenario has little to do with reality in the Middle East.

There will be no "destruction" of Hezbollah, and no "uprooting" of its infrastructure or that of Hamas, whatever the results of Israel's siege of Gaza and its merciless attacks against Lebanon. The rhetoric about "terrorism" has mesmerized those who parrot it, blinding them to the fact that Hezbollah and Hamas are deeply rooted popular movements that have developed as a response to occupation--of the West Bank and Gaza for nearly forty years, and of southern Lebanon from 1978 to 2000. Whatever one might say about the two movements' callousness in targeting civilians (a subject on which Israel's defenders are hardly in a position to preach), both have won impressive victories in elections and have provided social services and protection to their people.

The Lebanese government will not do Israel's bidding in south Lebanon. The deep divisions in Lebanon over Hezbollah's military presence before Israel's blitz began are rapidly disappearing. Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, Lebanese Speaker Nabih Berri, Saad Hariri (son of assassinated Prime Minister Rafik Hariri), Gen. Michel Aoun, President Émile Lahoud and other major leaders of the country of all sects and all political persuasions and Lebanese public opinion have been horrified at Israel's ravaging of their country's infrastructure and its defenseless civilian population, yet again. Few indeed will be the Lebanese voices to support the Israeli-US position as this savaging of Lebanon goes on--and just because it is largely absent from US television does not mean that it is invisible to the rest of the world.

Iran and Syria, Hezbollah's principal allies, will not come out of this conflict weaker, even if it develops into a regional war involving either. The United States has been threatening both for several years, since 9/11 released the cowboy in George W. Bush. Their positions have been strengthened by the bulldozer-like obtuseness of US policy on Hamas and Hezbollah, never more so than since Israel fell into Hezbollah's trap and overreacted to the capture of two of its soldiers and the wounding of several of its civilians in mid-July. A war with either of these countries, or a serious effort to overthrow either of their unsavory regimes, will in the end weaken either Israel or the United States or both, should they escalate this dangerous international crisis.

The pro-American Arab regimes that initially foolishly aligned themselves with the United States and Israel over the Lebanese crisis have shown their regret by backpedaling as fast as they can. Public opinion in their countries is massively against their position (Al Jazeera's viewership is way up; that of the Saudi-run Al Arabiya is way down) and is making itself felt. Fortunately for the Bush Administration and Israel, none of these countries have a functioning democracy. The net result of this crisis, however it comes out, will be a further weakening of these regimes. They may temporarily increase their dependence on the United States. But they are weaker than they were before this crisis began, and their oppositions, whether in Cairo, Amman or Riyadh, are stronger.

Israel's regional power decreases when it escalates the use of force against Palestinians and Lebanese. This has been the case for the last couple of decades--the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, the first intifada of 1987-90 and Hezbollah's defeat of Israel in south Lebanon in the years leading up to 2000 are all examples--and it will happen again. The United States has discovered the same thing (at least the majority of the population in the reality-based community, not in the never-never land of the crazies who run our Middle East policy), as the use of massive force in Iraq has produced a similarly massive weakening of the US position throughout the Middle East. The United States has experienced a decline in its power and influence in the region unparalleled in the post-World War II era.

Much depends on whether an Israeli, American or Israeli-American war with Syria and, much more serious, Iran can be avoided. If escalation of what is already a major war in Gaza and Lebanon can be prevented, the conflict's regional effects will be mitigated. Much depends on how fast European public opinion, turning rapidly, expresses its revulsion at what is happening in Lebanon. Tales of the massive destruction and civilian casualties are being carried home by tens of thousands of French, British, Italian and German evacuees, many of them dual nationals, appearing on French and British TV talking about the atrocities they have seen. Much also depends on how adventurous Iran and Syria choose to be, how much punishment Hezbollah can take and still keep fighting, and how wise the Palestinians are in dealing with their difficult internal situation. And much depends on how far the man in the White House will go with his instincts. If he reins in his darker impulses and those of the Israeli general staff, which is running the show on that end of the alliance, the current slide into the abyss can yet be halted. If not, the Middle East and the United States are headed for catastrophe.

Rashid Khalidi, Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia, is author of the forthcoming "The Iron Cage: The Story of the Palestinian Struggle for Statehood."

© 2006 The Nation

[Spider]

Originally Posted by defenseman

Blasphemy!!!!! You can't say that here on the mane!!!!!This is the exclusive right of the "liberal" media to force feed the "facts" to us all, along with the left here on the mane of course. Better watch out, you get a "POLL" started on you and the "kids" will start passing notes around and my goodness, you'll be in big trouble then there buster brown. Oh my goodness ...dman

so why the drama queen act ?
are you one of those you better kiss israels ass every turn or you are pro terrorist anti semite ?
We Already know that Bush uses turnsignals so you dont bust your nose if he makes a sudden turn .........But even so that doesnt mean Israel cant make mistakes ..............

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Barry Ramey

The problem is most of the media in this country and around the world it seems is so eager to comply with terrorist propaganda, which is a strategy for terrorists to get what they want. They are nothing but a tool for these terrorists and much of the media doesn't seem to mind one bit. Yeah, let's believe Israel knowingly goes around killing innocent people on purpose, while Hezbollah cares so much about saving and protecting people. Ridiculous!

Sofa King we todd did ..pretty much somes up this post

[NOLA Bronco]

It is interesting to see how the opinion of the media on here gets turned based on the story. Generally it is assumed that the media leans left on most issues, except when it comes to reporting war. Which is it? Is the media liberal or conservative? Maybe their politics aren't as clearly defined as some on both sides would hope.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by NOLA Bronco

It is interesting to see how the opinion of the media on here gets turned based on the story. Generally it is assumed that the media leans left on most issues, except when it comes to reporting war. Which is it? Is the media liberal or conservative? Maybe their politics aren't as clearly defined as some on both sides would hope.

what it boils down to is , there are 2 sides to every story , no one is a 100% right or wrong , it takes 2 to tangle ...........
but you take some of the posters here , and if the news isnt 100% pro israel , some of these posters here hike up thier skrits and go off on some rant as if they have been violated ..................

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by NOLA Bronco

It is interesting to see how the opinion of the media on here gets turned based on the story. Generally it is assumed that the media leans left on most issues, except when it comes to reporting war. Which is it? Is the media liberal or conservative? Maybe their politics aren't as clearly defined as some on both sides would hope.

This video is from 2001 0r 2002, when it wasnt against their interest to spin the Palestinians in a realistic light.

[errand]

Originally Posted by angryllama

Does anyone have an idea of why the western outlets havent regulated on these types of manipulations?

Because the majority of those in the media...specifically printed news and the 3 majors like ABC, NBC, CBS are made up of liberals. go to any journalism class and ask them why they want to be reporters....and the most common answer you'll get is they want to make a difference, to change the world.

Well, Hell...I thought a reporter's job was to just tell you what happened. I didn't realize that their job entailed showing the world how you think it happened and why. But being liberals, they just can't help themselves.

Liberals are invested in defeat, and seek to blame America for all the world's ills......

I doubt guys like LABF or Spider actually read or listen to the words of these clowns. They think Bush is the most evil guy in the world...they think our military is the most evil one in the world, doing the evil GW Bush's bidding.

There is never a feel good story of one of our soldier's bravery posted by these guys....never a story posted by the likes of them showing our charitable nation helping out other nations with medical supplies, food, money, etc.

Their seething hatred for Bush specifically has clouded their minds. Those in the media are virtually the same kind of person....invested in defeat, never happy about anything.

Look at that Dan Rather blunder. They actually tried to sway our national election with a fabricated story....using forged documents. and when the forgeries were evident, they stuck to the story claiming that even if the documents were forgeries, the story is true. Why?

Because they have a template of how the world should be, and if the news doesn't fit that template, they'll make it fit....be it forged documents...or staged atrocities and clips of "victims"

[epicSocialism4tw]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Actually, it's the Western media that's doing the manipulating of American perception.

Our corporate media is painting a completely different picture of our involvement in the ME for us than the picture the rest of the world sees.

The "rest of the world"? I didnt know that the rest of the world was comprised of angry arabs.

I asked a simple question. Why does our media spread these blatant manipulations without checking themselves? Why is the myth perpetuated? Save the "Israel is a terrorist" stuff for another thread, please.

[Mile High Shack]

stupid Jews, they are the cause of every war

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Mile High Shack

stupid Jews, they are the cause of every war

Two people in history I truly dislike are Nixon and Kissinger, but I'll tell you one thing, they would never have allowed Israel to lead them around by the nose the way Bush/Rice are letting them.

Come to think of it, living through the Bush Regime is making even Nixon look better. Nixon may have been an evil paranoid, but at least he was competent.

[NOLA Bronco]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Two people in history I truly dislike are Nixon and Kissinger, but I'll tell you one thing, they would never have allowed Israel to lead them around by the nose the way Bush/Rice are letting them.

Come to think of it, living through the Bush Regime is making even Nixon look better. Nixon may have been an evil paranoid, but at least he was competent.

How is the US letting Israel lead them around?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by NOLA Bronco

How is the US letting Israel lead them around?

It seems to me, given conditions in Iraq, that the last thing the U.S. needed right now was Israel launching an incursion into Lebanon. It appears now that hundreds of thousands of Shiites in Iraq are publicly protesting in the streets against America/Israel. Doesn't that seem counterproductive to you?

I suppose you could hypothesize that Israel's incursion is part of some neocon conspiracy to inflame war throughout the region as a buildup for an excuse to go after Syria and Iran, but again, it seems to me that if the U.S. had been aware of Israel's plans, we wouldn't have had to scramble to rent some cruise ship to evacuate our embassy personnel. We would have gotten a tip from Israel and secretly evacuated our most important personnel from Beirut before they bombed the runways.

So, it appears that, once again - as in the past - Israel shot from the hip without informing the U.S. of its plans, and instead of the U.S. getting pissed and calling for an immediate ceasefire, we just meekly played along, with Rice finding everywhere else in the world to visit, except the ME.

Also, it was in our strategic interests to support the fledgling democracy in Lebanon, rather than sit by and watch it turned into a radical Shiite state (just wait until the next Lebanese elections when Hizbollah wins control in the parliament). So, either the U.S. wants Israel to inflame the ME beyond all comprehension into a general conflagration, or the Bush regime has no fundamental foreign policy whatsover and is just blindly holding onto Israel's shirt tails and hoping for the best. Judging by Rummy's blithering, double-talk performance before Congress yesterday, and the Bush administration's six years of showing no interest whatsover in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, it sounds logical to me. NTM, Rice was fuddling around and looked like someone who was in way over her head. I couldn't imagine Kissinger or George Mitchell ever looking that befuddled in a crisis.

There are many who want to ascribe grand, nefarious designs to the Bush regime. From what I've seen this last six years, their basic MO is incompetence. These are a bunch of oil executives. They're in way over their heads.

[Barry Ramey]

Yes, the media is doing all it can to find out what happened in Qana alright. And as the this story points out, the staging of bodies and wrongly accusing Israel was tried before, which the media bought of course until the truth finally came out.

August 03, 2006
Journalists Fail to Explain Qana

By David Warren

My reader may be wondering what happened to all the coverage from Qana. As usual, when the "liberal" media begin to realize they've been had, the story disappears. But it is never properly corrected. We get a few days of blazing headlines, and round-the-dial TV coverage of an "Israeli massacre", laden with innuendos, and then -- the fade-out. This will not do.
What happened at Qana was, almost certainly, what happened at Jenin in 2002, what happened on a beach in Gaza a few weeks ago, and what has happened on innumerable other occasions. The Israelis are instantaneously accused and convicted of a monstrous and perhaps intentional act of butchery, by people quite incurious about the facts. Their pathological hatred of "Zionism" is all the proof they need. These are people who seldom bother to shed even crocodile tears when Jews are blown to pieces by suicide bombers, or rockets are fired indiscriminately into their homes; but become tremendously excited when the news breaks that some Israeli retaliation may have gone wrong.

It took several months to clarify what had happened at Jenin -- a staged massacre. It will take several months before something like the true story emerges, from Qana. By which time no one will be listening. (The ideologues will continue citing the original lies, regardless.) And yet in both these cases -- Jenin and Qana -- indications of fakery were visible from the beginning.
The Israelis quickly released real-time aerial reconnaissance footage to show the Hezbollah firing rockets from between houses in Qana; then pulling the launchers immediately afterwards into civilian buildings. The Israeli military logged three air strikes around Qana in the course of the evening in question, including one next to the houses that were destroyed. So while it was possible the Israelis had dropped the bombs that killed 54 people -- coincidentally all women and children -- it was, at the worst, unintended "collateral damage" near a valid military target.
The Israelis had extensively leafleted Qana for more than a week before the air strikes, telling civilians to evacuate, and warning just what would happen. Over the same period, Hezbollah pumped 150 Katyusha rockets into northern Israel from in and around this village. Hezbollah are notorious for refusing to allow civilians to evacuate (as U.N. observers have attested), and even preventing their flight at gunpoint. The argument that people "could not get out because the Israelis had wrecked the infrastructure" is rubbish. Once invited by Hezbollah, journalists got into the village quickly, all the way from Beirut. It follows that Hezbollah bears not some, but all of the moral responsibility for civilian deaths at Qana.
But we are still assuming the Israeli air strikes collapsed the houses. That theory begins to crumble, itself, when you look at the times logged for the Israeli air strikes. The houses were first reported to have been destroyed more than seven hours after the air strike next to them (the other strikes were about half a kilometre away). And even if they collapsed by delayed effect, why were women and children allowed to spend the night in a building on the point of collapsing?
Now look at the media pictures. Immediately you see several fishy things. For one, bodies displayed to media are removed, successively, from a single neat hole in the ruins. There is no evidence of a rescue mission having been mounted, or of a continuing search for bodies elsewhere under the rubble. The battered bodies do not resemble those which are seen after most real explosions and building collapses: their wounds do not look recent. All the blood and gore seems to be on just one body.
Moreover, as bloggers such as "Eureferendum" have demonstrated, by juxtaposing press photos from various newspapers, the men showing off the bodies -- and identified in captions as "Lebanese rescue workers" -- are the same as had been present at previous alleged atrocities. They are obviously not rescue workers, but Hezbollah propaganda agents.
The way they are handling and displaying the bodies is entirely inconsistent with rescue work. For instance, they hold up a dead child's head for the cameras; they point to a pacifier still strung around his neck. But notice: the child's body is covered in plaster dust, but the pacifier is clean. Such evidence of staging is glaring, everywhere.
Obvious questions: Did all or any of the victims die at this site? Was the event staged to produce exactly the effect on "world opinion" that was achieved? And in a symbolic location, last used to a similar purpose in 1996?
I do not see how full-time journalists, specializing in the Middle East, can excuse themselves for not asking such questions immediately. I do not see why they cannot spot with their own eyes, what bloggers can spot in their photographs and reporting, thousands of miles away.
We know all about Hezbollah. It is for the journalists now to explain what they were doing, playing the clowns in an Hezbollah circus.
*
Update: Since this was written, I see the Lebanese Red Cross has reported the number of bodies at the site was 28, not the 54 or 57 that our press and TV took on faith from Hezbollah. And, persons presented as survivors adjusted the time of the incident to coincide better with the proximate air strike the Israelis logged. I have no idea what actually happened. But in the absence of a credible investigation, nobody else has, either; and the dramatic media presentation of the story "as told by Hezbollah" must be assigned to the annals of anti-Israeli propaganda, not journalism.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...xplain_qa.html

[Meck77]

Yeah it's all fake. The israelis never shoot at the Palestinians and vice versa. Like someone said earlier...Both sides are insane.

I wonder why the Israelis didn't release the footage of the Palestinian family that was blown to bits on the beach a month or so ago.

There is a propoganda machine on both sides. One side has BILLIONS of dollars to spend the other has a couple cam corders. You decided which side you want to believe. I know for a fact they are both full of it.

[Rohirrim]

I don't think that we should forget that Hizbollah killed 241 Marines. When they are patting American newsmen on the back and smiling for the cameras, we might want to take that with a grain of salt.

[NOLA Bronco]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

It seems to me, given conditions in Iraq, that the last thing the U.S. needed right now was Israel launching an incursion into Lebanon. It appears now that hundreds of thousands of Shiites in Iraq are publicly protesting in the streets against America/Israel. Doesn't that seem counterproductive to you?

I suppose you could hypothesize that Israel's incursion is part of some neocon conspiracy to inflame war throughout the region as a buildup for an excuse to go after Syria and Iran, but again, it seems to me that if the U.S. had been aware of Israel's plans, we wouldn't have had to scramble to rent some cruise ship to evacuate our embassy personnel. We would have gotten a tip from Israel and secretly evacuated our most important personnel from Beirut before they bombed the runways.

So, it appears that, once again - as in the past - Israel shot from the hip without informing the U.S. of its plans, and instead of the U.S. getting pissed and calling for an immediate ceasefire, we just meekly played along, with Rice finding everywhere else in the world to visit, except the ME.

Also, it was in our strategic interests to support the fledgling democracy in Lebanon, rather than sit by and watch it turned into a radical Shiite state (just wait until the next Lebanese elections when Hizbollah wins control in the parliament). So, either the U.S. wants Israel to inflame the ME beyond all comprehension into a general conflagration, or the Bush regime has no fundamental foreign policy whatsover and is just blindly holding onto Israel's shirt tails and hoping for the best. Judging by Rummy's blithering, double-talk performance before Congress yesterday, and the Bush administration's six years of showing no interest whatsover in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, it sounds logical to me. NTM, Rice was fuddling around and looked like someone who was in way over her head. I couldn't imagine Kissinger or George Mitchell ever looking that befuddled in a crisis.

There are many who want to ascribe grand, nefarious designs to the Bush regime. From what I've seen this last six years, their basic MO is incompetence. These are a bunch of oil executives. They're in way over their heads.

Fair enough. Good answer.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by angryllama

I think that this video is the only one I have ever seen that truly makes an attempt to get to the bottom of the 3rd world terror strategy of western media manipulation. It's too bad that this video is years old. You can also include the use of civilian buildings as bases by modern terror groups as a method of western media manipulation.

Does anyone have an idea of why the western outlets havent regulated on these types of manipulations?

http://break.com/index/what_really_h...pallywood.html

$

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by angryllama

The "rest of the world"? I didnt know that the rest of the world was comprised of angry arabs.

I asked a simple question. Why does our media spread these blatant manipulations without checking themselves? Why is the myth perpetuated? Save the "Israel is a terrorist" stuff for another thread, please.

Because the caliber of reporters out there in the world is less than half of what it used to be. American TV journalism was once made up of people who paid their dues at newspapers. They were a hell of a lot more cynical. Plus, the news media itself has been sold out to entertainment. There's no money in news. So the networks don't want to invest much in it. Most of the people you see now are graduates of TV charm school. If you rely on TV over print journalism, you're cheating yourself.

[ant1999e]

Originally Posted by errand

Because the majority of those in the media...specifically printed news and the 3 majors like ABC, NBC, CBS are made up of liberals. go to any journalism class and ask them why they want to be reporters....and the most common answer you'll get is they want to make a difference, to change the world.

Well, Hell...I thought a reporter's job was to just tell you what happened. I didn't realize that their job entailed showing the world how you think it happened and why. But being liberals, they just can't help themselves.

Liberals are invested in defeat, and seek to blame America for all the world's ills......

I doubt guys like LABF or Spider actually read or listen to the words of these clowns. They think Bush is the most evil guy in the world...they think our military is the most evil one in the world, doing the evil GW Bush's bidding.

There is never a feel good story of one of our soldier's bravery posted by these guys....never a story posted by the likes of them showing our charitable nation helping out other nations with medical supplies, food, money, etc.

Their seething hatred for Bush specifically has clouded their minds. Those in the media are virtually the same kind of person....invested in defeat, never happy about anything.

Look at that Dan Rather blunder. They actually tried to sway our national election with a fabricated story....using forged documents. and when the forgeries were evident, they stuck to the story claiming that even if the documents were forgeries, the story is true. Why?

Because they have a template of how the world should be, and if the news doesn't fit that template, they'll make it fit....be it forged documents...or staged atrocities and clips of "victims"

You just summed it all up. Especially about LABF. They are consumed with hate and it controlls everything they do. They are very bitter and unhappy.