Four Hurricanes suspended for Florida State game - The Orange Mane

shakenbake · 08-01-2006, 02:09 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2536340

CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Four Miami Hurricane players, including running back Tyrone Moss and receiver Ryan Moore, were suspended for the Sept. 4 season opener against Florida State because they violated team policy.

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Tyrone Moss ran for 701 yards last season.

Linebacker James Bryant and receiver Rashaun Jones also were suspended, coach Larry Coker said Tuesday.

Moore's suspension will include the second game of the season against Florida A&M. He was suspended for the Peach Bowl at the end of last season.

Coker declined to say what prompted the punishment.

"It's all the same incident," he said. "The message is pretty clear: We have high standards here. We're a program of quality kids. And these kids are good kids. They're not bad kids. But we've got to get this message across."

I wonder what they were involved in.

youcandoit1687 · 08-02-2006, 12:35 PM

SoCal, what are your thoughts. it makes things look pretty bleak for the FSU game. IMO, it will be a sloppy(hurricane weather and first game play) game and the canes gameplan would be to pound the ball with moss and when they pass, to pass to moore since he is a returning starter and would have a connection with wright.

Kaylore · 08-02-2006, 09:56 PM

I think it's strange only because I didn't know think there was a Coach at Miami who would do this. Larry Coker will probably get fired this year.

youcandoit1687 · 08-03-2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

I think it's strange only because I didn't know think there was a Coach at Miami who would do this. Larry Coker will probably get fired this year.

haha yeah good point. sorry SoCal, the record does speak that way. esp with jimmy johnson. bobby bowden hasnt had an iron fist lately either.

over/under for players in "trouble"(law or team or grades or w/e) that cant play for this game...ill set it at 10

Northman · 08-04-2006, 03:16 PM

Man, Miami is starting to spiral out of control down there. Could leave the door open for other teams to take the top dog spot.

SoCalBronco · 08-09-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Larry Coker will probably get fired this year.

I certainly hope so.

But we don't have the cash to buy him out. We are still paying Perry Clark (fired Mens BBall coach) and Ferne Labati (fired Womens BBall coach) and despite the football program doing a good job of making a yearly profit, the athletic department as a whole is not awash in cash.

Miami is a small private university with poor fan support despite our great success in the last 23 years.

Coker has dragged us into mediocrity. He is a complete incompetent as a head football coach. He's very smart though. He cozies up to the University President and has a great relationship with her. And he is genuinely a nice guy and projects a great grandfatherly image and keeps the program clean. In exchange, the administration seems to look the other way when we have consecutive 9-3 seasons without so much as a single conference title in those last two years. The last two years have been an utter abomination and like a gutless coward, Coker fires longtime Miami assistants who have defined Miami football and have been part of the program before he even got here.

He is a poor motivator. He knows how to do nothing but adjust his hat on the sideline and clap. He's a ****ing joke. He deserves to be fired. Being a nice guy and keeping us clean doesnt get you a get out of jail free card when we go 9-3 in back to back years without a conference title. It's a ****ing joke.

youcandoit1687 · 08-10-2006, 08:59 PM

ya but socal, the university cant and wont fire him with a 52-6 record or w/e, it would be suicide for the program a la nebraska frank solich. no coach will want to be in that hot seat. i agree that he is a poor motivator and that the talent level is slowly dying down from the shockey/reed/winslow/DJ/Vilma, etc. era. no players in the first round this year, that has been the miami expectation lately to atleast have guys in the first round. the team was very unmotivated for the peach bowl and it showed, they didnt want to be there for a second straight year and the coach needs to recognize his players morale needs a boost but theres no way that he can be fired. he needs probably two losing season before you can fire him just from the standpoint of hiring a new coach who wont feel like hell be outed for a couple "mediocre" seasons

SoCalBronco · 08-10-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by youcandoit1687

ya but socal, the university cant and wont fire him with a 52-6 record or w/e, it would be suicide for the program a la nebraska frank solich. no coach will want to be in that hot seat. i agree that he is a poor motivator and that the talent level is slowly dying down from the shockey/reed/winslow/DJ/Vilma, etc. era. no players in the first round this year, that has been the miami expectation lately to atleast have guys in the first round. the team was very unmotivated for the peach bowl and it showed, they didnt want to be there for a second straight year and the coach needs to recognize his players morale needs a boost but theres no way that he can be fired. he needs probably two losing season before you can fire him just from the standpoint of hiring a new coach who wont feel like hell be outed for a couple "mediocre" seasons

Many coaches would love to coach for us. There are so many built in advantages, most importantly that of location (and I am not even talking about the beaches or the babes either, although those definitely help). South Florida is one of the most perennially rich recruiting areas in the country, if not the richest collection of talent in an area. And there is not another major university for hundreds of miles. It is a huge advantage.

We still have a great deal of talent, but the problem is that the vast majority of it is on the defense. We have not done a good job recruiting on offense, especially on the Offensive Line the last 4 years. Another problem, more generally in recruiting is that Coker can't close in the last two weeks. We still end up with good classes, but the close calls at the last second almost always go against us. I can't tell you how many times we have finished No. 2 for a big time prospect during the last week of recruiting. As just one small example, it has now become an annual ritual for us to be leading for a top notch LB prospect from the Northeast all the way up to the last minute before losing him. This has happened three years in a row. We had Brian Toal in the bag till the last second and then Coker couldnt close. He is now a stud at BC. Cushing, the same thing. Last year we lost him at the last second to USC and as a true freshman he started in the national title game against Texas. This is just one example of the failure to close at the last second in recruiting.

Coker has made so many mistakes the last few years that it has been just mind numbing. The problem is not talent. There is alot of talent there.

youcandoit1687 · 08-10-2006, 09:28 PM

oh i know there is talent and florida is a hotbed for talent plus THE U has a reputation for playmakers which sparks some interest, my case is that coaches will be scared off by the "automatic hot seat" that a coach who goes 52-6, wins a national championship, and had a 26 game win streak(correct me if those are wrong) can get fired, there is no job security, at all.

if you can get coker to resign and not make it look like a forced resignation, however, that would sound like a great situation for the university

shakenbake · 08-10-2006, 09:35 PM

Hey Socal, do you think playing in the ACC for the past 2 years has anything to do with thier win/loss record ? They had it pretty good in the Big East as far as conf. schedule goes.

SoCalBronco · 08-10-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by youcandoit1687

oh i know there is talent and florida is a hotbed for talent plus THE U has a reputation for playmakers which sparks some interest, my case is that coaches will be scared off by the "automatic hot seat" that a coach who goes 52-6, wins a national championship, and had a 26 game win streak(correct me if those are wrong) can get fired, there is no job security, at all.

if you can get coker to resign and not make it look like a forced resignation, however, that would sound like a great situation for the university

His record of 53-9 is misleading. All that was propelled by 01-02. The last three years have been painful. Even in 03 when they were 11-2, it was painful to watch. The last two years have been garbage. What is most relevant is 18-6 the last two years with no conference titles. That is absolute garbage and unnacceptable. As far as pressure, there is pressure at every major Div 1 power. Every single one. No one is going to be scared by that.

SoCalBronco · 08-10-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shakenbake

Hey Socal, do you think playing in the ACC for the past 2 years has anything to do with thier win/loss record ? They had it pretty good in the Big East as far as conf. schedule goes.

It has hurt them a little. It doesnt help that we have to play in the tougher of the two ACC divisions and in order to win the ACC, we would have to beat FSU twice in the same year. But the losses that have really ****ed us up last year has been to middle of the road ACC teams. We lost to Clemson, North Carolina, Georgia Tech. Sure, they are tougher than middle of the road Big East teams but not by much. Losing to NC is just flat out unacceptable. And we almost lost to Clemson again this year. Actually, the Big East is starting to get kind of tough this year. West Virginia has emerged as a power now and so has Louisville.

shakenbake · 08-10-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

It has hurt them a little. It doesnt help that we have to play in the tougher of the two ACC divisions and in order to win the ACC, we would have to beat FSU twice in the same year. But the losses that have really ****ed us up last year has been to middle of the road ACC teams. We lost to Clemson, North Carolina, Georgia Tech. Sure, they are tougher than middle of the road Big East teams but not by much. Losing to NC is just flat out unacceptable. And we almost lost to Clemson again this year. Actually, the Big East is starting to get kind of tough this year. West Virginia has emerged as a power now and so has Louisville.

Yea the Big East is looking better this year. Louisville should be real soild and alot of people are picking W. Virgina. Im interested to see how they play in thier non-conf games. How has being in the ACC affected recruiting. Having some teams come down from neighboring states has got to hurt a little. Little more access to the area ect. I know here in Texas they are talking about getting rid of the Red River Shoot-out because of the so called recruiting oportunities it gives OU.

youcandoit1687 · 08-13-2006, 09:39 PM

i dont know SoCal, if a coach is having to worry about his job security after a 9-3 season, he might not want to take that job when he can take a job will be a little more accepting(not lower expectations but a little more understanding that things can go wrong). hard to explain but thats how id feel.

if coker is fired, who would you like as a realistic replacement?

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shakenbake Texas Homer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shanghai, China Posts: 3,136	Four Hurricanes suspended for Florida State game http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2536340 CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- Four Miami Hurricane players, including running back Tyrone Moss and receiver Ryan Moore, were suspended for the Sept. 4 season opener against Florida State because they violated team policy. Doug Benc/Getty Images Tyrone Moss ran for 701 yards last season. Linebacker James Bryant and receiver Rashaun Jones also were suspended, coach Larry Coker said Tuesday. Moore's suspension will include the second game of the season against Florida A&M. He was suspended for the Peach Bowl at the end of last season. Coker declined to say what prompted the punishment. "It's all the same incident," he said. "The message is pretty clear: We have high standards here. We're a program of quality kids. And these kids are good kids. They're not bad kids. But we've got to get this message across." I wonder what they were involved in.

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08-02-2006, 12:35 PM	#2
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	SoCal, what are your thoughts. it makes things look pretty bleak for the FSU game. IMO, it will be a sloppy(hurricane weather and first game play) game and the canes gameplan would be to pound the ball with moss and when they pass, to pass to moore since he is a returning starter and would have a connection with wright.

08-02-2006, 09:56 PM	#3
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,012 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	I think it's strange only because I didn't know think there was a Coach at Miami who would do this. Larry Coker will probably get fired this year.

08-04-2006, 03:16 PM	#5
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	Man, Miami is starting to spiral out of control down there. Could leave the door open for other teams to take the top dog spot.

08-10-2006, 08:59 PM	#7
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	ya but socal, the university cant and wont fire him with a 52-6 record or w/e, it would be suicide for the program a la nebraska frank solich. no coach will want to be in that hot seat. i agree that he is a poor motivator and that the talent level is slowly dying down from the shockey/reed/winslow/DJ/Vilma, etc. era. no players in the first round this year, that has been the miami expectation lately to atleast have guys in the first round. the team was very unmotivated for the peach bowl and it showed, they didnt want to be there for a second straight year and the coach needs to recognize his players morale needs a boost but theres no way that he can be fired. he needs probably two losing season before you can fire him just from the standpoint of hiring a new coach who wont feel like hell be outed for a couple "mediocre" seasons

08-10-2006, 09:28 PM	#9
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	oh i know there is talent and florida is a hotbed for talent plus THE U has a reputation for playmakers which sparks some interest, my case is that coaches will be scared off by the "automatic hot seat" that a coach who goes 52-6, wins a national championship, and had a 26 game win streak(correct me if those are wrong) can get fired, there is no job security, at all. if you can get coker to resign and not make it look like a forced resignation, however, that would sound like a great situation for the university

08-10-2006, 09:35 PM	#10
shakenbake Texas Homer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Shanghai, China Posts: 3,136	Hey Socal, do you think playing in the ACC for the past 2 years has anything to do with thier win/loss record ? They had it pretty good in the Big East as far as conf. schedule goes.

08-13-2006, 09:39 PM	#14
youcandoit1687 homer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,602 Adopt-a-Bronco: Chris Myers	i dont know SoCal, if a coach is having to worry about his job security after a 9-3 season, he might not want to take that job when he can take a job will be a little more accepting(not lower expectations but a little more understanding that things can go wrong). hard to explain but thats how id feel. if coker is fired, who would you like as a realistic replacement?