Quarterbacks and 4th quarter comebacks - Page 4 - The Orange Mane

2KBack · 06-26-2006, 01:21 PM

I think the fact that you haven't been as vocal on other threads, that would fall under your category of pointless, leads others to believe that you are actually just using it as an excuse to bash. I mean it's the offseason, threads are stretching for relevance everywhere, why choose this one to rant in?

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-26-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Wrong.

How am I wrong?

Northman · 06-26-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

I think the fact that you haven't been as vocal on other threads, that would fall under your category of pointless, leads others to believe that you are actually just using it as an excuse to bash. I mean it's the offseason, threads are stretching for relevance everywhere, why choose this one to rant in?

Personally, i wasnt ranting. I was merely pointing it out and then got flamed. Its just when the flaming starts then im going to start getting heated about it. Its a two way street on here man. I know there are guys who waste no time on attacking plummer but there are also guys who waste no time bashing myself or other posters who are just trying to point out certain quailities about our Qb.

Kaylore · 06-26-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Many people claim it on here, does O4L come to mind? Granted, he is over the top anyway but there are a few who fall right in line with his thinking. Again, i was debating ( or stating ) that i would like to see some of those great comebacks that he did. I find him to be average ( or good according to BI ) i just dont find him great and i find this thread to be irrelevant to the Broncos. Thats why im debating it.

I think "many people" is pushing it. Most people here either think he's pretty good to totally suck. O 4 Life is in his own category.

Florida_Bronco · 06-26-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Many people claim it on here, does O4L come to mind? Granted, he is over the top anyway but there are a few who fall right in line with his thinking. Again, i was debating ( or stating ) that i would like to see some of those great comebacks that he did. I find him to be average ( or good according to BI ) i just dont find him great and i find this thread to be irrelevant to the Broncos. Thats why im debating it.

Not to add to the dogpile here...but there is a pretty big difference between "many" people and "a few" people...which is it?

Bronco_Beerslug · 06-26-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

How am I wrong?

Because you are. But it really wasn't because of anything Plummer did in the SD game last year that brought us back, it was D and special teams.

2KBack · 06-26-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Personally, i wasnt ranting. I was merely pointing it out and then got flamed. Its just when the flaming starts then im going to start getting heated about it. Its a two way street on here man. I know there are guys who waste no time on attacking plummer but there are also guys who waste no time bashing myself or other posters who are just trying to point out certain quailities about our Qb.

True enough, but that's the culture. Point out what you want, but someone is going to point back, be they right or wrong.

At least this thread managed to squeeze a little football talk out in these dark weeks though

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-26-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Because you are. But it really wasn't because of anything Plummer did in the SD game last year that brought us back, it was D and special teams.

My mistake. Make it 3, then.

Northman · 06-26-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

Not to add to the dogpile here...but there is a pretty big difference between "many" people and "a few" people...which is it?

Dead issue now dude just drop it. There are plenty of people on both sides of the fence when it comes to Jake.

Florida_Bronco · 06-26-2006, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Dead issue now dude just drop it. There are plenty of people on both sides of the fence when it comes to Jake.

Getting defensive are we?

Northman · 06-26-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

Getting defensive are we?

Not at all. Why?

Florida_Bronco · 06-26-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Not at all. Why?

You sure sound like it. It's ok though, I'd get defensive if every person in a thread jumped my ass too.

Steve Sewell · 06-26-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Plummer is no Elway but Elway isn't God either.

Blasphemy!

Steve Sewell · 06-26-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

You forgot "drunken".

And why can't anyone post something possitive about Jake without a quarter of board whining about how "Elway did this all the time." That's why he's John freaking Elway. Plummer isn't and never will be the calibur of Elway, but he is sure more clutch than Griese ever was.

Griese let himself get sacked too often, couldn't throw the ball with any velocity and had all the ecitement of late-night C-SPAN with the leadership qualities of Bill Lumbergh.

Lumberg had excellent leadership qualities...how else do you think Intertech got to where it was before it burned down? He also boned Jennifer Aniston.

12th man · 06-26-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lidderer

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/200...analysis/3978/

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Right on. I knew he was one of the best qb's in terms of come from behind wins, But I didn't know he was number one. The thing about this is, he did it mostly in Arizona. He dosn't have to do that here, but it's comforting to know that he is a qb who can win a game for us in the final quarter. If he was a good come from behind qb in arizona, he definatley can be one here. I think he did it a few times here too.

Steve Sewell · 06-26-2006, 02:06 PM

This is the classic Orange Mane offseason pissing match. We should have a separate board called "Pissing Matches" that this can be moved to...lol

BroncoInferno · 06-26-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Sewell

This is the classic Orange Mane offseason pissing match. We should have a separate board called "Pissing Matches" that this can be moved to...lol

Eh, your piss is just too yellow to get inviolved

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-26-2006, 02:29 PM

Here are the 4th-quarter comeback totals of some other quarterbacks in the last 3 years:

Trent Green - 7

Peyton Manning - 5

Donovan McNabb - 7

Matt Hasselbeck - 4

2KBack · 06-26-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Here are the 4th-quarter comeback totals of some other quarterbacks in the last 3 years:

Trent Green - 7

Peyton Manning - 5

Donovan McNabb - 7

Matt Hasselbeck - 4

Green and Manning have played with suspect defenses, but the Mcnabb stat is pretty impressive.

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-26-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 2KBack

Green and Manning have played with suspect defenses, but the Mcnabb stat is pretty impressive.

It's more impressive when you lead your team to fewer points?

Northman · 06-26-2006, 02:46 PM

I didnt really understand his post either. A comeback is a comeback regardless of how your defense is playing. The other team still needs to stop you.

2KBack · 06-26-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

It's more impressive when you lead your team to fewer points?

It's not that, but a solid all around team will have fewer opportunities for comebacks, and the eagles have dominted 2 of the last 3 years. That says to me, that the eagles Success was more Donovan than I gave it credit for. If a team is strong offensivly but weak defensivly you will play in many see saw battle which would lead to more wins coming in the fourth quarter or final drive.

Bronco Billy · 06-26-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rascal

Who said he was great?

And you never answered the question about Elway coming back from 3 TD's (playoff or non-playoff).

I cannot find anything of Elway coming back from 3 TD's. However, the Broncos have come back from 24 points twice in their history.

October 23, 1960
Boston Patriots 10 7 7 0 - 24
Denver Broncos 0 0 14 17 - 31

Frank Tripuka threw 4 TDs in the second half and Mingo capped it off with a
9-yd FG.

September 23, 1979
Seattle Seahawks 10 10 14 0 - 34
Denver Broncos 0 10 21 6 - 37

Craig Morton threw 3 TDs and Rob Lytle had a 1-yd TD run.

source: 2005 NFL Record and Fact Book: 86th Season

Bronco_Beerslug · 06-26-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 12th man

Right on. I knew he was one of the best qb's in terms of come from behind wins, But I didn't know he was number one. The thing about this is, he did it mostly in Arizona. He dosn't have to do that here, but it's comforting to know that he is a qb who can win a game for us in the final quarter.

Yeah, 3 in 3 years, awesome!

12th man · 06-26-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Yeah, 3 in 3 years, awesome!

Plummer hasn't had to come back much here. That's what happens when you have a good supporting cast.

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06-26-2006, 01:21 PM	#76
2KBack Rumblin' Bumblin' Cake is delicious Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Wash DC Posts: 7,275	I think the fact that you haven't been as vocal on other threads, that would fall under your category of pointless, leads others to believe that you are actually just using it as an excuse to bash. I mean it's the offseason, threads are stretching for relevance everywhere, why choose this one to rant in?

06-26-2006, 02:06 PM	#91
Steve Sewell Oh Tyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! Patrick and Ty's pimp Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,666 Adopt-a-Bronco: Reggie Rivers	This is the classic Orange Mane offseason pissing match. We should have a separate board called "Pissing Matches" that this can be moved to...lol

06-26-2006, 02:29 PM	#93
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,921 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Here are the 4th-quarter comeback totals of some other quarterbacks in the last 3 years: Trent Green - 7 Peyton Manning - 5 Donovan McNabb - 7 Matt Hasselbeck - 4

06-26-2006, 02:46 PM	#96
Northman The Enigma Prognosis Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 17,925 Adopt-a-Bronco: Bryci	I didnt really understand his post either. A comeback is a comeback regardless of how your defense is playing. The other team still needs to stop you.