Is Wie ever going to make the cut? Women alongside men?

[Dagmar]

Michelle Wie put on a show Monday that those lucky enough to see won’t soon forget.

Trying to become the first woman to qualify for the U.S. Open, the 16-year-old from Hawaii sent an overflow gallery into a frenzy by chipping in for birdie on the last hole of the first round for a 2-under 68. That matched her best score competing against men and left some 3,500 people wondering if they would see her at Winged Foot in two weeks along with Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson.

But the birdie putts she missed throughout the day began to catch up with her as shadows stretched across the fairways of Canoe Brook Country Club late in the afternoon. Three consecutive bogeys on her back nine dropped her back to 1-over par through 35 holes, leaving her on the outside looking in for one of 18 spots in the open up for grabs at this sectional qualifying tournament.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13133990/




What are peoples thoughts regarding women competing alongside the men?
It seems like it is inevitable it will happen...

Personally I'm worried who's gonna be left to do the cooking and ironing...but that may just be me.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

She's already made a cut in a men's tourney.

[Garcia Bronco]

She was inches away...still a great accomplishment to even try at her age....as she progresses...she'll be very competitive amongst the men IMO. She can hit a ball 300 yards. Seh just needs the short game.

I don't have a problem with it. In some sports it just wouldn't work out right in this era...but one day....who knows.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by Dagmar

Michelle Wie put on a show Monday that those lucky enough to see won’t soon forget.

Trying to become the first woman to qualify for the U.S. Open, the 16-year-old from Hawaii sent an overflow gallery into a frenzy by chipping in for birdie on the last hole of the first round for a 2-under 68. That matched her best score competing against men and left some 3,500 people wondering if they would see her at Winged Foot in two weeks along with Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson.

But the birdie putts she missed throughout the day began to catch up with her as shadows stretched across the fairways of Canoe Brook Country Club late in the afternoon. Three consecutive bogeys on her back nine dropped her back to 1-over par through 35 holes, leaving her on the outside looking in for one of 18 spots in the open up for grabs at this sectional qualifying tournament.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13133990/




What are peoples thoughts regarding women competing alongside the men?
It seems like it is inevitable it will happen...

Personally I'm worried who's gonna be left to do the cooking and ironing...but that may just be me.

Personally I think Golf is a little different than other sports. In golf Its really you Vs. the course. I mean in golf where are you going to see Tiger Woods tackle Phil Meckelson or watch someone need to box out on a inside post. My point is that there is no phyiscal contact between opponents.

[Dagmar]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

Personally I think Golf is a little different than other sports. In golf Its really you Vs. the course. I mean in golf where are you going to see Tiger Woods tackle Phil Meckelson or watch someone need to box out on a inside post. My point is that there is no phyiscal contact between opponents.

I'm not suggesting women as linebackers or anything. Men competing against women in tennis, or golf... Not sure about any of the big 4 sports over here in the States...

[Archie]

She may get there.... She's pretty unique but really the key for women on the tour comes down (I think) to the drives. If you can get to the point where you are not playing 70 yards behind the men on your second shot then you have a real shot - everything else is pretty normal.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by Archie

She may get there.... She's pretty unique but really the key for women on the tour comes down (I think) to the drives. If you can get to the point where you are not playing 70 yards behind the men on your second shot then you have a real shot - everything else is pretty normal.

She's longer off the tee than most of the men, she falls in to the middle of the pack. I wish she would try and win something on the womens tour first then maybe try for the mens. She will get into a major at some point in her career because she's 16 or 17.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by Dagmar

I'm not suggesting women as linebackers or anything. Men competing against women in tennis, or golf... Not sure about any of the big 4 sports over here in the States...

Not saying that you were saying that. Just saying that Golf is unique and if there is a place for women to compete against men would be Golf.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

Personally I think Golf is a little different than other sports. In golf Its really you Vs. the course. I mean in golf where are you going to see Tiger Woods tackle Phil Meckelson or watch someone need to box out on a inside post. My point is that there is no phyiscal contact between opponents.

Exactly right, golf is not your average sport. It is kind of a wussy sport anyway so why not let women play. Some might say golf is not even a sport. Bowling would be another example.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by UltimateSoldier

Not saying that you were saying that. Just saying that Golf is unique and if there is a place for women to compete against men would be Golf.

Not really because you could take any nationwide tour player and he would dominate the LPGA. If the women can qualify more power too them, I just don't like see them giving them sponsor exemptions in place of someone who could win the tourny.

[broncohaven]

Wie needs to take a lesson from Earl Woods who taught Tiger to dominate at each successive level before moving on. By the time Tiger got to the PGA Tour he knew how to be a dominant player. Wie has won only a single tournament in her life, and none against professional women. I think her focus is a little off, and I think that the Nike machine has ahold of her and are turning her into more of a sideshow as opposed to letting her develop into the great player that she could be.

To me a win on the LPGA Tour would be worlds more impressive than making the cut at the Hee Haw Asian open.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by broncohaven

Wie needs to take a lesson from Earl Woods who taught Tiger to dominate at each successive level before moving on. By the time Tiger got to the PGA Tour he knew how to be a dominant player. Wie has won only a single tournament in her life, and none against professional women. I think her focus is a little off, and I think that the Nike machine has ahold of her and are turning her into more of a sideshow as opposed to letting her develop into the great player that she could be.

To me a win on the LPGA Tour would be worlds more impressive than making the cut at the Hee Haw Asian open.

I hope it's because she truely wants to do this stuff and not because of a swoosh.

[Jason in LA]

Golf is a non-athletic sport, and the fact that a woman can compete with the men proves that. Before you golf fans jump on me, I'm not saying that golf is easy. It's an extremely hard sport to play. It's just played by highly skilled non-athletes. If golfers were athletes, then a woman wouldn't be able to play on their tour.

The only other sports that I can think of where a woman can compete with the men are pool and bowling, which are both non-athletic sports. I've never seen a woman compete with them, but I'd think that men wouldn't hold much of an advantage over women in those sports, if any advantage at all.

In any athletic sport, women cannot compete with men. Take the top woman in the WNBA. No way she could make an NBA roster. You'll never see a woman playing pro football, not even college unless it's as a kicker. And that hasn't really worked. Women won't be able to play baseball. Not track. The top high school boys run faster times than the women's world records.

Tennis was brought up as a possible sport that women could play with the men. Sorry, but that doesn't work either. The top women would struggle against men who aren't even close to being ranked.

Now, I'm not here bashing women. I'm just answering the question. I enjoy some women's sports. Women's tennis is more exciting than the mens. I like watching women run at track events. Women have every right to play sports. The point is that we won't see any women playing with the men in any athletic sport.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Golf is a non-athletic sport, and the fact that a woman can compete with the men proves that. Before you golf fans jump on me, I'm not saying that golf is easy. It's an extremely hard sport to play. It's just played by highly skilled non-athletes. If golfers were athletes, then a woman wouldn't be able to play on their tour.

The only other sports that I can think of where a woman can compete with the men are pool and bowling, which are both non-athletic sports. I've never seen a woman compete with them, but I'd think that men wouldn't hold much of an advantage over women in those sports, if any advantage at all.

In any athletic sport, women cannot compete with men. Take the top woman in the WNBA. No way she could make an NBA roster. You'll never see a woman playing pro football, not even college unless it's as a kicker. And that hasn't really worked. Women won't be able to play baseball. Not track. The top high school boys run faster times than the women's world records.

Tennis was brought up as a possible sport that women could play with the men. Sorry, but that doesn't work either. The top women would struggle against men who aren't even close to being ranked.

Now, I'm not here bashing women. I'm just answering the question. I enjoy some women's sports. Women's tennis is more exciting than the mens. I like watching women run at track events. Women have every right to play sports. The point is that we won't see any women playing with the men in any athletic sport.

I agree with most of what you said there but women cannot compete with men in the world of golf.

[watermock]

She havn't proven anything and never has made a cut once. Her days of exemptions are coming to an end. It was very convienient to have Nike throw 20 million in her pockets but it doesn't give her a PGA cut.

[Flyboy063]

I think if women are going to be allowed to play in the PGA, then they should get rid of the LPGA plain and simple. If men can't have a men's league then women shouldn't have a women's league. Just to clarify I have no problem with women competing against men. I do have a problem with women wanting to join a men's league, but not wanting to give up there league.

For example of what I'm talking about bowling use to be ABC (Men's) and WIBC (Women's) leagues, now there is the USBC (mixed) which is good in theory. However, the thing I don't agree with is they have a Women's only tournament and replaced the Men's only tournament with a mixed tournament.

[No1BroncoFan]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

The only other sports that I can think of where a woman can compete with the men are pool and bowling, which are both non-athletic sports.

You're dead wrong about bowling, as anyone who's bowled seriously can tell you. There's more athleticism needed than the laymen think. Most women also can't compete at the same level as men, which is why you see few, if any women on the PBA tour.

Ben

[Garcia Bronco]

What about billiards?...Or Darts?...huh?

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by No1BroncoFan

You're dead wrong about bowling, as anyone who's bowled seriously can tell you. There's more athleticism needed than the laymen think. Most women also can't compete at the same level as men, which is why you see few, if any women on the PBA tour.

Ben

Bowling is a non-athletic sport. There are guys who are out of shape who are great at that game. It's a skill.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

Bowling is a non-athletic sport. There are guys who are out of shape who are great at that game. It's a skill.

Baseball could be considered a non-athletic sport then, John Kruk, Boomer, the closer Beck.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by azbroncfan

I agree with most of what you said there but women cannot compete with men in the world of golf.

One already is.

Wie nearly making the cut is like a woman making it to the final cut down date in football. Or a woman being fast enough to run with the men in the Olympic trials.

The gap between men and women is much larger in athletic sports than in non-athletic sports like golf. In golf a woman can at least be on the playing field and beat some of the men. In a sport like track, you could take the fastest woman on the planet and she wouldn't be able to make the 100 meter finals for the boys high school state finals in California.

[Jason in LA]

Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Baseball could be considered a non-athletic sport then, John Kruk, Boomer, the closer Beck.

Those guys had enough power to hit the ball out of the park. And they had to have strong throwing arms. Being an athlete doesn't mean being slim and fast. I don't think a bowler can do much of anything outside of rolling that ball down the lane. Well, he probably could carry a keg all by himself. But that's pure motivation.

[rbackfactory80]

Originally Posted by azbroncfan

I agree with most of what you said there but women cannot compete with men in the world of golf.

For real she is a freak of nature. In golf 99.9 percent of women can't compete with men. I think you could say the same about almost any sport. Golf takes extreme coordination, I do not know any unathletic people who are good at golf. Mentally it can be extremely tough. There will always be that guy that comes in and says golf is not a sport, and as an avid golfer, I just laugh to myself as I am so used to hearing it.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Not really because you could take any nationwide tour player and he would dominate the LPGA. If the women can qualify more power too them, I just don't like see them giving them sponsor exemptions in place of someone who could win the tourny.

Then it wouldn't be a competition would it. Part of sports is competing against somebody that can challenge you skills. You don't want to be a two legged guy in a one legged ass kicking contest.

[azbroncfan]

Originally Posted by Jason in LA

One already is.

Wie nearly making the cut is like a woman making it to the final cut down date in football. Or a woman being fast enough to run with the men in the Olympic trials.

The gap between men and women is much larger in athletic sports than in non-athletic sports like golf. In golf a woman can at least be on the playing field and beat some of the men. In a sport like track, you could take the fastest woman on the planet and she wouldn't be able to make the 100 meter finals for the boys high school state finals in California.

She's getting in on sponsors exemptions, not Q school or monday qualifiers. She not getting in playing against college men let alone nationwide or PGA tour players. The most dominant female golfer ever didn't even sniff the cut, they are also picking easier courses, there isn't a women who could break 80 in a US open in my opinion.