US Military Confirms Probe of Another Alleged Iraq Massacre

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Same way things started happening in Vietnam. These guys are over extended, tired of this sh*t and want to come home.

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US military confirms probe of another alleged Iraq massacre

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US military is investigating allegations that American soldiers deliberately killed Iraqi civilians in March, Brigadier General Donald Campbell said.

"We investigate all allegations of soldier misconduct and allegations that we may have killed an Iraqi civilian, or seriously injured (one)," Campbell, chief of staff of the international force in Iraq, said in a video news conference from Baghdad.

He confirmed a BBC report Thursday, citing a spokesman for the US military forces in Iraq, that the US military was investigating the alleged incident on March 15 in Ishaqi, about 100 kilometers (60 miles) north of Baghdad.

Campbell confirmed the inquiry was under way but provided no details of its progress.

The latest allegations of US military killings of Iraqi civilians came as the Pentagon is probing an alleged massacre by US Marines of unarmed Iraqi civilians in the town of Haditha.

The British Broadcasting Corporation aired video footage Thursday of a number of dead adults and children whom Iraqi police allege were among 11 civilians rounded up and deliberately shot dead by US troops in March.

he BBC, which reported it had received the video from a Sunni Muslim group opposed to US forces, said the evidence appeared to contradict the US version of events.

US officials said at the time that four people died when US troops became involved in a firefight after a tip-off that an Al-Qaeda supporter was visiting a house in Ishaqi, the BBC said.

US officials, it added, reported that the home collapsed under heavy fire, killing one suspected militant, two women and a child.

However, a report filed by Iraqi police accused US troops of rounding up and deliberately shooting 11 people in the house, including five children and four women, before blowing up the building.

The BBC aired video footage of several bodies, including those of three children, one of them covered in blood. The BBC's John Simpson said the images clearly show the dead adults and children suffered gunshot wounds.

The BBC's Ian Pannell in Baghdad said it has been cross-checked with other images taken at the time of events and is believed to be genuine.

The video footage follows news of the alleged massacre in Haditha, where US Marines are suspected of killing up to 24 Iraqi civilians in November last year.

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[defenseman]

I expected nothing less. Trust me, the terrorists WILL be doing their own massacre's and guess who will be framed for it, see it coming. Their wacking their own people anyway, why not blame the americans...dman

*the original massacre though, does not bode well for anyone. I appears anyway, some of our own were way out of the box.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by defenseman

I expected nothing less. Trust me, the terrorists WILL be doing their own massacre's and guess who will be framed for it, see it coming. Their wacking their own people anyway, why not blame the americans...dman

Yeah, I heard this same argument about 40 years ago.

Accusations against U.S. enrage Iraqis
By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A third set of allegations that U.S. troops have deliberately killed civilians is fueling a furor in
Iraq and drawing strong condemnations from government and human rights officials.

"It looks like the killing of Iraqi civilians is becoming a daily phenomenon," the chairman of the Iraqi Human Rights Association, Muayed al-Anbaki, said Friday after video ran on television of children and adults slain in a raid in March on the Iraqi village of Ishaqi north of Baghdad.

Al-Anbaki's comments came a day after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki upbraided the U.S. military over allegations that Marines killed two dozen unarmed civilians in the western city of Haditha, calling it "a horrible crime." They were his strongest public comments on the subject since his government was sworn in last month.

U.S. commanders have ordered new ethics training for all troops in Iraq. But the flow of revelations and investigations threatens to undermine Iraq's new government and public support in America for
President Bush's management of the war.

Iraq's government also began its own investigation of the deaths in Haditha.

In addition to the Haditha case, in which Marines are alleged to have gunned down 24 civilians in a rage of revenge for a bombing that killed a Marine in November, seven Marines and a Navy corpsman could face murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges as early as Friday in the April shooting death of an Iraqi man in yet another incident, a defense attorney said Thursday.

Military prosecutors plan to file the charges against the seven servicemen, who are being held in solitary confinement at Camp Pendleton, Calif., Marine Corps base, said Jeremiah Sullivan III, who represents one of the men.

The Iraqi man reportedly was dragged from his home west of Baghdad and shot. The Los Angeles Times and NBC News said troops may have planted an AK-47 and a shovel near the body to make it appear as if the man was an insurgent burying a roadside bomb. Neither suggested a possible motive.

The U.S. military had no additional comment Friday on the accusations stemming from a raid March 15 in the village of Ishaqi, about 50 miles north of Baghdad.

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[Rohirrim]

If it wasn't so serious, I'd think this was a Monty Python movie. The military's response? Ethics classes.

Teacher: Now Bob, you can't shoot a baby.

Soldier Bob: Why not?

Teacher: Well, a baby can't possibly cause you any harm.

Soldier Bob: But they're stinky little things and they make weird noises.

Teacher: Still. Shooting them is frowned upon.

Soldier Bob: Even one?

Teacher: Not even one.

Soldier Bob: Well, you're certainly taking the fun out of this.

[Edskins_RVA]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Yeah, I heard this same argument about 40 years ago.

Accusations against U.S. enrage Iraqis
By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A third set of allegations that U.S. troops have deliberately killed civilians is fueling a furor in
Iraq and drawing strong condemnations from government and human rights officials.

"It looks like the killing of Iraqi civilians is becoming a daily phenomenon," the chairman of the Iraqi Human Rights Association, Muayed al-Anbaki, said Friday after video ran on television of children and adults slain in a raid in March on the Iraqi village of Ishaqi north of Baghdad.

Al-Anbaki's comments came a day after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki upbraided the U.S. military over allegations that Marines killed two dozen unarmed civilians in the western city of Haditha, calling it "a horrible crime." They were his strongest public comments on the subject since his government was sworn in last month.

U.S. commanders have ordered new ethics training for all troops in Iraq. But the flow of revelations and investigations threatens to undermine Iraq's new government and public support in America for
President Bush's management of the war.

Iraq's government also began its own investigation of the deaths in Haditha.

In addition to the Haditha case, in which Marines are alleged to have gunned down 24 civilians in a rage of revenge for a bombing that killed a Marine in November, seven Marines and a Navy corpsman could face murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges as early as Friday in the April shooting death of an Iraqi man in yet another incident, a defense attorney said Thursday.

Military prosecutors plan to file the charges against the seven servicemen, who are being held in solitary confinement at Camp Pendleton, Calif., Marine Corps base, said Jeremiah Sullivan III, who represents one of the men.

The Iraqi man reportedly was dragged from his home west of Baghdad and shot. The Los Angeles Times and NBC News said troops may have planted an AK-47 and a shovel near the body to make it appear as if the man was an insurgent burying a roadside bomb. Neither suggested a possible motive.

The U.S. military had no additional comment Friday on the accusations stemming from a raid March 15 in the village of Ishaqi, about 50 miles north of Baghdad.

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Well I heard about things (or arguments if you will) like this happening in WWII.. Is Iraq more like Vietnam or WWII since we've heard similar things about both?

[defenseman]

[QUOTE=Bronco_Beerslug]Yeah, I heard this same argument about 40 years ago.

Accusations against U.S. enrage Iraqis
By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer 21 minutes ago

Not arguing. This I truly believe will come to pass. the insurgency has made absolutely no bones about the fact that the everyday iraqi's citizens life is worth the price of one round from an AK 47 or instead of that, perhaps a dull knife beheading/disemboweling. They'll do it, and hang it on our guys. I have absolutely no doubt. I'll say it again, it appears anyway, some of our marines made a huge mistake. No reason to judge them ALL for the action of a few. But , that be case, so be it..dman

*Tactics are tactics. the insurgency WILL use this to their advantage.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Edskins_RVA

Well I heard about things (or arguments if you will) like this happening in WWII.. Is Iraq more like Vietnam or WWII since we've heard similar things about both?

It's more like Vietnam in the sense the U.S. attacked countries that were absolutely no threat to us and we sacrificed American lives for a political agenda without any possible chance of a "victory".

[Edskins_RVA]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

It's more like Vietnam in the sense the U.S. attacked countries that were absolutely no threat to us and we sacrificed American lives for a political agenda without any possible chance of a "victory".

No, you WANT it to be like Vietnam so you can say, "I told you so!".. How can you honestly say that Iraq was "absolutely no threat"? That is not only false, but clearly ignores reality..

Let's see:
Invades his neighbors and threatens the worlds largest active oil reserve, gases and abuses his own people and neighbors, regularly shoots at our planes patrolling the no-fly zone (which the Iraqi's agreed to at the end of Gulf War), was obviously trying to produce WMD (otherwise why were the inpectors there?), and was willing to work with terrorists if it suited his purposes (see paying families of suicide bombers and ties to AQ affiiliated groups)

"Absolutely no threat".. That's a good one!

Was the threat of WMD as dire as we thought?! No.. But it's more than ridiculous to say there was no threat.. (FYI - Michael Moore does not tell the truth!! ) If you were President, would you be willing to take that chance after 9-11? On second thought, you probably don't need to answer that...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Edskins_RVA

No, you WANT it to be like Vietnam so you can say, "I told you so!"..

Typical right-wing tactic: Attack the messenger.

Your tactics are getting tired, and the American people aren't buying them anymore.

Originally Posted by Edskins_RVA

How can you honestly say that Iraq was "absolutely no threat"? That is not only false, but clearly ignores reality..

You've obviously been living in a cave for the past three years.

[Edskins_RVA]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Typical right-wing tactic: Attack the messenger.

Your tactics are getting tired, and the American people aren't buying them anymore.



You've obviously been living in a cave for the past three years.

Are you serious?! Have youseen any of my previous posts?! Got any points, facts, examples, comparisons, or for that matter, logic and reason to offer?

"Look son.. Never go to a gun fight armed with a knife.." - Dad

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Edskins_RVA

Got any points, facts, examples, comparisons, or for that matter, logic and reason to offer?

You're obviously new here.

[Edskins_RVA]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

You're obviously new here.

What kind of response is that?! I've been here since Oct. 2005... What exactly is your point?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Edskins_RVA

What kind of response is that?! I've been here since Oct. 2005... What exactly is your point?

You asked if I had any "points, facts, examples, comparisons, or for that matter, logic and reason to offer?"

I've been offering all of the above by the truckload for the last six years.

You, on the other hand, don't seem to be aware of the fact that BushCo's case for invading Iraq has been so thoroughly discredited on all fronts that you'd have to have been living in a cave for the past three years not to be aware of the fact.

[Edskins_RVA]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

You asked if I had any "points, facts, examples, comparisons, or for that matter, logic and reason to offer?"

I've been offering all of the above by the truckload for the last six years.

You, on the other hand, don't seem to be aware of the fact that BushCo's case for invading Iraq has been so thoroughly discredited on all fronts that you'd have to have been living in a cave for the past three years not to be aware of the fact.

So where are your "points, facts, examples, comparisons, or for that matter, logic and reason to offer?" Anyone can say anything "has been thoroughly discredited on all front".. Back it up.. I've been here for pages! Where have you been?

And no, I have not been living in a cave. I am an avid student of politics, history, and current events, etc. I am constantly learning and educating myself on a daily basis..

How much time do you put into papers (online or hard copy), books, documentaries, education programs, radio shows, etc. on a daily basis?

[spdirty]

And I take it that a lot of people, including some on these boards, will condemn these soldiers before they have even had their day in court. Sickening.

[spdirty]

here you go...now stfu, close the thread and stop condemning our boys.
http://newsmax.com/archives/articles...432.shtml?s=br
U.S. Troops Cleared in Iraqi Raid Probe

NewsMax.com Wires
Saturday, June 3, 2006

WASHINGTON -- A military investigation into allegations that U.S. troops intentionally killed Iraqi civilians in a March 15 raid in a village north of Baghdad has cleared the troops of misconduct, two defense officials said Friday.

The investigation concluded that the U.S. troops followed proper procedures in raising the level of force as they came under attack upon approaching a building where they believed an al-Qaida terrorist was hiding, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the results had not been publicly released.

The investigation concluded that no troops committed acts that merited disciplinary action, they added.
The Army's Criminal Investigation Division reviewed the results of the investigation and found no reason to probe further, the officials said.


The nighttime raid was conducted in the village of Ishaqi, about 50 miles north of Baghdad, by a ground assault force. After being fired upon from the targeted building, the soldiers pulled back and called in airstrikes by an Air Force AC-130 gunship, which attacked and collapsed the building, the defense officials said.
Local Iraqis said there were 11 total dead, and contended that they were killed by U.S. troops before the house was leveled.


The incident came months after an alleged massacre by Marines of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha last November. The military is still conducting two investigations into the Haditha case, one to see if U.S. troops committed crimes there and a second to see if the actions were covered up.

One defense official said the investigation into the circumstances of the Ishaqi attack found that four people in the building were killed by U.S. forces, including two women and a child. The main target of the attack, said by U.S. intelligence to be an al-Qaida figure, ran from the building but was later captured, the official said.

Although it has been known that U.S. air power was involved in the assault on the building in Ishaqi, it was not previously reported that there was an AC-130 gunship, a devastating weapon capable of operating at night and pummeling its target with side-firing guns, including a 105mm cannon. The gunship is flown by Air Force Special Operations crews.

Footage shot by an AP Television News cameraman at the location showed at least five children dead and at least one adult male and four of the children with deep head wounds that could have been caused by bullets or shrapnel. The inside of the walls left standing were pocked with bullet holes.

Iraqi Police Capt. Laith Mohammed said the March 15 attack that hit Ishaqi involved U.S. warplanes and armor.

Riyadh Majid, who identified himself as the nephew of Faez Khalaf, the household head who was killed, told AP at the time that U.S. forces landed in helicopters and raided the home.

Khalaf's brother, Ahmed, said nine of the victims were family members who lived at the house and two were visitors.

© 2006 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[Edskins_RVA]

- Nice!

Just wait! They'll be on here in a sec to condemn and deride this report because "it came from the Pentagon"..

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by spdirty

And I take it that a lot of people, including some on these boards, will condemn these soldiers before they have even had their day in court. Sickening.

You, like some others, can't seem to distinguish the difference of attacking the premise and liars that put our soldiers in this position. U.S. soldiers murdering women and children is horrible and despicable! I've been through this before. This isn't a "war". This is a nation building attempt by a few politicians at the expense of soldiers they use and abuse and every other American citizen.

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by Edskins_RVA

- Nice!

Just wait! They'll be on here in a sec to condemn and deride this report because "it came from the Pentagon"..

well, the source i gave was newsmax, so they'll automatically call it a lie then rip me for putting the link up.

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

U.S. soldiers murdering women and children is horrible and despicable!.

These soldiers you claim in this thread that did this were exonerated. You are making my blood boil.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Edskins_RVA

- Nice!

Just wait! They'll be on here in a sec to condemn and deride this report because "it came from the Pentagon"..

Don't be a moron. NO ONE wants to see soldiers killing civilians there. Hopefully, this "military report" is true unlike the military report that was issued on Haditha!

Originally Posted by spdirty

These soldiers you claim in this thread that did this were exonerated. You are making my blood boil.

Hopefully! But it's obvious they killed numerous women and children in Haditha.

It doesn't take a genius to understand the fallout from collateral deaths of women and children over there though.

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by Edskins_RVA

So where are your "points, facts, examples, comparisons, or for that matter, logic and reason to offer?" Anyone can say anything "has been thoroughly discredited on all front".. Back it up.. I've been here for pages! Where have you been?

And no, I have not been living in a cave. I am an avid student of politics, history, and current events, etc. I am constantly learning and educating myself on a daily basis..

How much time do you put into papers (online or hard copy), books, documentaries, education programs, radio shows, etc. on a daily basis?

Don't bother LABF. He'll just pull the only copout the right have left. That is to discredit the article while they swallow every talking point the moron in the white house tells them.

[Edskins_RVA]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Don't be a moron. NO ONE wants to see soldiers killing civilians there. Hopefully, this "military report" is true unlike the military report that was issued on Haditha!

Hopefully! But it's obvious they killed numerous women and children in Haditha.

It doesn't take a genius to understand the fallout from collateral deaths of women and children over there though.

Ahem.. We're NOT talking about Haditha!.. (jeez)

[Edskins_RVA]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Don't bother LABF. He'll just pull the only copout the right have left. That is to discredit the article while they swallow every talking point the moron in the white house tells them.

Talk about cop-outs! I haven't even seen you try yet..

[DBruleU]

Originally Posted by Rigs11

Don't bother LABF. He'll just pull the only copout the right have left. That is to discredit the article while they swallow every talking point the moron in the white house tells them.

we discredit each news story? Do you pay attention to any of LABF's outbursts when a republican posts a news story here?