MLB awards so far: - The Orange Mane

OrangeShadow · 05-23-2006, 07:33 AM

Who gets your vote for the following so far in the MLB season?

AL

MVP- Thome
Cy Young- Scott Kazmir
ROY- Jonathon Papelbon

NL

MVP- Pujols
Cy Young- Pedro Martinez
ROY- Hanley Ramirez

DennisSmithHOF · 05-23-2006, 07:37 AM

ROY in the AL is Justin Verlander

OrangeShadow · 05-23-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DennisSmithHOF

ROY in the AL is Justin Verlander

15 for 15 in saves
era, a miniscule 0.40
19 strike outs in 22.1 innings

not to mention doing it in one of the toughest places, pressure and media wise.

nice try though

BroncoFiend · 05-23-2006, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeShadow

15 for 15 in saves
era, a miniscule 0.40
19 strike outs in 22.1 innings

not to mention doing it in one of the toughest places, pressure and media wise.

nice try though

Yes, the pressure of April and May must be crushing

.

Maybe that's the reason awards aren't given out in May!

Gcver2ver3 · 05-23-2006, 08:39 AM

AL

MVP- Thome
Cy Young- Scott Kazmir
ROY- Jonathon Papelbon

NL

MVP- Pujols
Cy Young- Tom Glavine
ROY- Hanley Ramirez[/QUOTE]

-Slap- · 05-23-2006, 08:46 AM

Brandon Webb should be the front runner for the Cy Young in the NL.

OrangeShadow · 05-23-2006, 08:51 AM

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Brandon Webb should be the front runner for the Cy Young in the NL.

Yeah IMO hes right behind pedro. Pedro should be 7-0 if it wasnt for wagner and a game where he had no run support

DBroncos4life · 05-23-2006, 09:13 AM

Mussina should get some love.

defenseman · 05-23-2006, 09:29 AM

mussina, will not end up near the cy young. Trust me on that one..dman

DennisSmithHOF · 05-23-2006, 10:22 AM

I realize that you are a Bosox homer, and I will admit that I am a Tigers homer. But Verlander is on pace for 22 wins. I realize that a quarter of the way through the season doesn't mean much; but if Verlander gets 20 wins in the AL as a rookie, he would win the ROY by a landslide (depending on if Kazmir still qualifies as a rookie). Nice try though

OrangeShadow · 05-23-2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DennisSmithHOF

I realize that you are a Bosox homer, and I will admit that I am a Tigers homer. But Verlander is on pace for 22 wins. I realize that a quarter of the way through the season doesn't mean much; but if Verlander gets 20 wins in the AL as a rookie, he would win the ROY by a landslide (depending on if Kazmir still qualifies as a rookie). Nice try though

Ok hes on pace for 22 wins,papelbon is on pace for 60 saves(15 through 1/4 of the season). Lets say papelbon breaks the rookie record for saves(37 held by Kazuhiro Sasaki)

Rookies have won 20 games a lot more than rookies saving that many games.

DennisSmithHOF · 05-23-2006, 10:37 AM

AL
MVP: Hafner/Thome
Cy: Kazmir/Kenny Rogers
Roy: Verlander/Papelbon

NL
MVP: Pujols (This might be unanimous-they should just give it to him now)

Cy: Pedro/Webb/Oswalt
ROy: Hanley Ramirez

DennisSmithHOF · 05-23-2006, 10:40 AM

I agree that winning 20 games is more common than getting 60 saves, but how many rookies have won 20 and not been ROY? If Papelbon gets 60 saves and Verlander gets 20+wins, then it will definetely be a 2 horse race. Kazmir doesn't quality anymore, correct?

NaptownChief · 05-23-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

Brandon Webb should be the front runner for the Cy Young in the NL.

Agreed...In one of my money leauges I have Webb, Kazmir and Verlander in my starting roto...I've gotten lucky on those guys coming through like they have. My only disappointment has been Felix Hernandez.

NaptownChief · 05-23-2006, 10:45 AM

Speaking of Kazmir....It is now official that the Kazmir for Zambrano is the dumbest trade in the history of sports. At the time it was made I thought it was the dumbest trade I had ever seen but after the start to this season it is now official.

-Slap- · 05-23-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Speaking of Kazmir....It is now official that the Kazmir for Zambrano is the dumbest trade in the history of sports. At the time it was made I thought it was the dumbest trade I had ever seen but after the start to this season it is now official.

The Giants made a worse trade when they sent Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano to Minnesota for A.J. Pierzynski. Liriano is basically Santana Jr. With all the dynamite young pitchers in the majors right now, he may well have the nastiest stuff.

DBroncos4life · 05-23-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

Speaking of Kazmir....It is now official that the Kazmir for Zambrano is the dumbest trade in the history of sports. At the time it was made I thought it was the dumbest trade I had ever seen but after the start to this season it is now official.

Delino DeShields for Pedro Martinez

NaptownChief · 05-23-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

The Giants made a worse trade when they sent Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano to Minnesota for A.J. Pierzynski.

That is horrible...I didn't realize that Liriano was thrown in on that deal. He just got bumped into the starting rotation so he will finally get to show his stuff.

OrangeShadow · 05-23-2006, 11:08 AM

the sox got tek and lowe for heacliff(sp) slocumb but the liriano deal trumps that

and im pretty sure kazmir doesnt qualify as a rookie

-Slap- · 05-23-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

That is horrible...I didn't realize that Liriano was thrown in on that deal. He just got bumped into the starting rotation so he will finally get to show his stuff.

I've been praying they would put him in the rotation. They only have three SP with ERAs over 7.00 right now.

NaptownChief · 05-23-2006, 11:13 AM

What made the Kazmir trade so stupid is you didn't just give up what many thought was the top young arm in the game in exchange for immediate contribution but he was already able to contribute more at that time in a playoff run than Zambrano. Zambrano was a proven 4.00+ ERA guy with no upside and Kazmir was ready to be thrown into a big league rotation at the time of the trade. A lot of bad trades get made where teams give up a lot more in future value in exchange for immediate contribution to try and make a post season run but this was a deal where he was already able to contribute at a higher level at the time of the deal. I can't imagine how good my Mets would be right now if Kazmir was in that rotation along with Pedro and Glavine.

NaptownChief · 05-23-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

I've been praying they would put him in the rotation. They only have three SP with ERAs over 7.00 right now.

Unbelievable how long they waited to make that move considering they had the worst starting rotation in baseball.

-Slap- · 05-23-2006, 11:18 AM

The Red Sox traded away hometown stud Jeff Bagwell to rent journeyman RP Larry Anderson for one pennant drive.

NaptownChief · 05-23-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by -Slap-

The Red Sox traded away hometown stud Jeff Bagwell to rent journeyman RP Larry Anderson for one pennant drive.

Yeah...wasn't there another quality player or two that Houston got along with Bagwell?

DennisSmithHOF · 05-23-2006, 11:53 AM

The Tigers traded John Smoltz to the Braves for Doyle Alexander in 1987. Smoltz was only at A ball at the time.

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DennisSmithHOF Groovy Baby Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West side of Michigan Posts: 236	ROY in the AL is Justin Verlander

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Gcver2ver3 Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Posts: 6,629 Adopt-a-Bronco: not Lance Ball	AL MVP- Thome Cy Young- Scott Kazmir ROY- Jonathon Papelbon NL MVP- Pujols Cy Young- Tom Glavine ROY- Hanley Ramirez[/QUOTE]

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-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	Brandon Webb should be the front runner for the Cy Young in the NL.

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DBroncos4life Hey pic Mod!?!?! FU Why yes, that is Bacon Bacon. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The wrong side of right. Posts: 26,522	Mussina should get some love.

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defenseman Ring of Famer 2007 record pred. (7-9) Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,232	mussina, will not end up near the cy young. Trust me on that one..dman

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DennisSmithHOF Groovy Baby Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West side of Michigan Posts: 236	I realize that you are a Bosox homer, and I will admit that I am a Tigers homer. But Verlander is on pace for 22 wins. I realize that a quarter of the way through the season doesn't mean much; but if Verlander gets 20 wins in the AL as a rookie, he would win the ROY by a landslide (depending on if Kazmir still qualifies as a rookie). Nice try though

05-23-2006, 10:37 AM	#12
DennisSmithHOF Groovy Baby Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West side of Michigan Posts: 236	AL MVP: Hafner/Thome Cy: Kazmir/Kenny Rogers Roy: Verlander/Papelbon NL MVP: Pujols (This might be unanimous-they should just give it to him now) Cy: Pedro/Webb/Oswalt ROy: Hanley Ramirez

05-23-2006, 10:40 AM	#13
DennisSmithHOF Groovy Baby Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West side of Michigan Posts: 236	I agree that winning 20 games is more common than getting 60 saves, but how many rookies have won 20 and not been ROY? If Papelbon gets 60 saves and Verlander gets 20+wins, then it will definetely be a 2 horse race. Kazmir doesn't quality anymore, correct?

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NaptownChief Donkeys Nightmare Football Pimp Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,490	Speaking of Kazmir....It is now official that the Kazmir for Zambrano is the dumbest trade in the history of sports. At the time it was made I thought it was the dumbest trade I had ever seen but after the start to this season it is now official.

05-23-2006, 11:08 AM	#19
OrangeShadow armed and dangerous Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,771	the sox got tek and lowe for heacliff(sp) slocumb but the liriano deal trumps that and im pretty sure kazmir doesnt qualify as a rookie

05-23-2006, 11:13 AM	#21
NaptownChief Donkeys Nightmare Football Pimp Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,490	What made the Kazmir trade so stupid is you didn't just give up what many thought was the top young arm in the game in exchange for immediate contribution but he was already able to contribute more at that time in a playoff run than Zambrano. Zambrano was a proven 4.00+ ERA guy with no upside and Kazmir was ready to be thrown into a big league rotation at the time of the trade. A lot of bad trades get made where teams give up a lot more in future value in exchange for immediate contribution to try and make a post season run but this was a deal where he was already able to contribute at a higher level at the time of the deal. I can't imagine how good my Mets would be right now if Kazmir was in that rotation along with Pedro and Glavine.

05-23-2006, 11:18 AM	#23
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	The Red Sox traded away hometown stud Jeff Bagwell to rent journeyman RP Larry Anderson for one pennant drive.

05-23-2006, 11:53 AM	#25
DennisSmithHOF Groovy Baby Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: West side of Michigan Posts: 236	The Tigers traded John Smoltz to the Braves for Doyle Alexander in 1987. Smoltz was only at A ball at the time.