US has the biggest prison population - The Orange Mane

alkemical · 05-19-2006, 11:34 AM

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps...-list-2005.pdf

This is interesting, but why?

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-19-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps...-list-2005.pdf

This is interesting, but why?

Gang bangers and drugs.

Hotrod · 05-19-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Gang bangers and drugs.

Kind of what I was thinking actually. It prolly has something to do with the fact we have so much freedom people cant fricking control themselves. Also violent movies/music videos/violent video games/porn everywhere/lack of christian religion in our schools and government

alkemical · 05-19-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Gang bangers and drugs.

Because of what's seen on cops?

alkemical · 05-19-2006, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

Kind of what I was thinking actually. It prolly has something to do with the fact we have so much freedom people cant fricking control themselves. Also violent movies/music videos/violent video games/porn everywhere/lack of christian religion in our schools and government

I disagree, strongly.

Hotrod · 05-19-2006, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

I disagree, strongly.

So you think more porn & drugs are the answer

alkemical · 05-19-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

So you think more porn & drugs are the answer

It's the problem for the prison population as a whole.

You have root causes to problems that aren't blanketed statems - not to mention that prisons are a big business -

For a 'free' country we dwarf just about anyother country with our prison population -

Hotrod · 05-19-2006, 12:32 PM

Are they taking into account countrys where they just shoot you and put you in a mass grave instead of jail

alkemical · 05-19-2006, 12:35 PM

Of course not, you aren't in prison then.

But over 2million people incarcerated - and most of them non-violent offenders.

Hotrod · 05-19-2006, 12:37 PM

I still think my reasons are a major contributing factor. Especially the removal of Christian values from peoples lives.

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-19-2006, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

Because of what's seen on cops?

Cops?

Hotrod · 05-19-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Cops?

You know the show on TV where the cops are always arresting someone whos sporting a mullet goes about 325lbs and has no shirt or shoes

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-19-2006, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

You know the show on TV where the cops are always arresting someone whos sporting a mullet goes about 325lbs and has no shirt or shoes

Well, I don't watch network TV besides sports but I think I know that show.

I said drugs and gang bangers because...

# Over 60% of inmates are minorities.
# Half of jail inmates in 2002 were held for a violent or drug offense, almost unchanged from 1996.
# Drug offenders, up 37%, represented the largest source of jail population growth between 1996 and 2002.
# More than two-thirds of the growth in inmates held in local jails for drug law violations was due to an increase in persons charged with drug trafficking.

Lifetime likelihood of going to State or Federal prison

* If recent incarceration rates remain unchanged, an estimated 1 of every 15 persons (6.6%) will serve time in a prison during their lifetime.

* Lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for

-- men (11.3%) than for women (1.8%)
-- blacks (18.6%) and Hispanics (10%) than for whites (3.4%)

* Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

alkemical · 05-19-2006, 01:32 PM

That's the man, man.

Old Dude · 05-19-2006, 02:27 PM

We have more people in prisons nowadays because it's cheaper.

The privatized prison system makes some big money, and they haven't missed many tricks. For example, knowing that the primary means of family communication for most prisoners is over the phone, almost all private prisons have worked out special deals with the applicable phone companies ... where the business gets the discount and the inmates pay more.

Nifty, huh?

Prisoners are pretty cheap labor ... even cheaper than illegal immigrants if you don't count the room & board.

Prisons also make nice pork-barrel projects for rural towns that would otherwise wilt up and blow away in the wind.

Oh, and can you say Haliburton?

I knew you could.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 05-19-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/rel/icps...-list-2005.pdf

This is interesting, but why?

One of the main reasons is that we put so little effort into understanding the various factors that cause kids to grow up to be criminals and even less effort into prevention.

Instead of identifying the factors that go into creating criminals and doing something to alleviate or eliminate those factors, we put all of our focus on putting out fires and punishment.

DBruleU · 05-19-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

One of the main reasons is that we put so little effort into understanding the various factors that cause kids to grow up to be criminals and even less effort into prevention.

Instead of identifying the factors that go into creating criminals and doing something to alleviate or eliminate those factors, we put all of our focus on putting out fires and punishment.

Proper Parenting.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 05-19-2006, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DBruleU

Proper Parenting.

Yep - that's probably the most important thing.

Unfortunately, any public scrutiny of how people raise their kids is taboo in our culture. There's still a prevalent mentality that says "how I raise my kid is nobody's business but my own."

Nothing could be further from the truth insofar as society as a whole pays the price when kids who are abused grow up to be Ted Bundys or BTKs.

DBruleU · 05-19-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Yep - that's probably the most important thing.

Unfortunately, any public scrutiny of how people raise their kids is taboo in our culture. There's still a prevalent mentality that says "how I raise my kid is nobody's business but my own."

Nothing could be further from the truth insofar as society as a whole pays the price when kids who are abused grow up to be Ted Bundys or BTKs.

I agree.

Parents these day's don't really care what their kids are doing, and are not informed with what their kids do on a consisten basis. And alot of them just want to be the "cool parent."

Complete opposite way I was raised.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 05-19-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DBruleU

I agree.

Parents these day's don't really care what their kids are doing, and are not informed with what their kids do on a consisten basis. And alot of them just want to be the "cool parent."

Complete opposite way I was raised.

There isn't a sufficient "social infrastructure," if you will, to identify kids who are being abused or neglected at an early age. The rightards scoffed at Hillary's famous "it takes a village" comment, but she was spot-on on that occasion, IMO.

Jesterhole · 05-19-2006, 09:25 PM

Because we treat drugs as a law enforcement problem, instead of a health problem.

It's been said many times, but worth saying again. Legalize drugs and you destroy the black market. Our courts get unclogged, and the police have time to catch real criminals...the rapists, robbers and murderers.

Get people with addictions treatment, and let other adults use whatever they want responsibly. Alcohol is still the worst drug I've ever used...and I've used my fair share...

gunns · 05-19-2006, 11:37 PM

Over 70% of the people are in prison because of drugs. And they do nothing for them in prison and then release them, a revolving door. In prison you can put a kid who gets messed up on drugs and never had a problem before the drugs and this kid is going to come out having learned more than he ever needed to know.

spdirty · 05-20-2006, 10:22 AM

Nobody has mentioned the fact that 29% of our prison population is occupied by illegal aliens.

Bronco_Beerslug · 05-20-2006, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spdirty

Nobody has mentioned the fact that 29% of our prison population is occupied by illegal aliens.

Because it's 4%?

I forgot to link the previous numbers I posted.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

DBruleU · 05-20-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Because it's 4%?

You use google very well.

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05-19-2006, 12:32 PM	#8
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	Are they taking into account countrys where they just shoot you and put you in a mass grave instead of jail

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alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Of course not, you aren't in prison then. But over 2million people incarcerated - and most of them non-violent offenders.

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Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	I still think my reasons are a major contributing factor. Especially the removal of Christian values from peoples lives.

05-19-2006, 01:32 PM	#14
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	That's the man, man.

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Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,155	We have more people in prisons nowadays because it's cheaper. The privatized prison system makes some big money, and they haven't missed many tricks. For example, knowing that the primary means of family communication for most prisoners is over the phone, almost all private prisons have worked out special deals with the applicable phone companies ... where the business gets the discount and the inmates pay more. Nifty, huh? Prisoners are pretty cheap labor ... even cheaper than illegal immigrants if you don't count the room & board. Prisons also make nice pork-barrel projects for rural towns that would otherwise wilt up and blow away in the wind. Oh, and can you say Haliburton? I knew you could.

05-19-2006, 09:25 PM	#21
Jesterhole Ring of Famer Ridin' the McFailboat... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,036	Because we treat drugs as a law enforcement problem, instead of a health problem. It's been said many times, but worth saying again. Legalize drugs and you destroy the black market. Our courts get unclogged, and the police have time to catch real criminals...the rapists, robbers and murderers. Get people with addictions treatment, and let other adults use whatever they want responsibly. Alcohol is still the worst drug I've ever used...and I've used my fair share...

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gunns I WANT DEFENSE! Defense, defense, defense Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Always Hoping Posts: 11,660 Adopt-a-Bronco: Defense	Over 70% of the people are in prison because of drugs. And they do nothing for them in prison and then release them, a revolving door. In prison you can put a kid who gets messed up on drugs and never had a problem before the drugs and this kid is going to come out having learned more than he ever needed to know.

05-20-2006, 10:22 AM	#23
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,903 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	Nobody has mentioned the fact that 29% of our prison population is occupied by illegal aliens.