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Old 06-19-2006, 12:51 PM   #1301
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Miracles? I don't look at them as such. Wade is uber clutch, I expect him to make those shots now. Besides, that banker wasn't a miracle, it was just a nice move going to his right (can't let him go right in that situation), and he stopped and hung in the air. Really wasn't a difficult shot, its his insane athleticism that got him to beat Griffith and then stop and elevate as Griffith did his best to stay with him, but the incidental contact and momemtum made him hit the deck. Just a great move by a great player. I expect him to make these kind of plays now, Wade has elevated himself the last 2 years into elite superstar status. They could have beaten the Pistons last year if he wasnt hurt.

I meant to say that Wade's performance wasn't a miracle, but to say that two incredible performances from a great player for the Heat to win by the slimmest of margins.

Wade's sensational and downright amazing to watch.
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Old 06-19-2006, 01:36 PM   #1302
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I have been completely disillusioned by this series. I feel like the idiot who took the bait and got hooked. I dont know if I'll be able to stomach another year of this stuff. From the beginning, the league has marketed their superstar players in the finals. All of the media has concerned Wade and Shaq, with the Jordan comparisons flying wildly about. Then the ref gaffes begin...

One or two missed calls is not a big deal...you go on and you play through them. But continued imbalance and inconsistencies have added up over the course of the series to mount to something that shows me I'm an idiot for buying a ticket to an NBA game. The series opener saw Shaq elbow Nowitzki in the face when the two were alone under the basket. an elbow above the shoulders is an ejectable, suspendable offense. To make matters worse, Shaq elbows Stackhouse in the face later in the same game and opens a gash on his nose that requires three stitches to close. The league didnt address either instance. O'Neal has been allowed to throw players around in the lane using his hands and elbows throughout the entire series and has not been called for blocking fouls when sticking his arms out into shooters without making an attempt to block the shot. Later in the series, Udonis Haslem laid a hard blow across Terry's face while Terry dunked the ball. He knocked Terry off balance in the air, and Terry crashed onto his back. This play is no different than the one that Stackhouse hit Joe Johnson with in the playoffs last season. This is now a suspendable offense. Needless to say, neither O'Neal or Haslem were fined or suspended.

There is a double standard when the league addresses illegal play, and there is a double standard when whistling fouls on the floor. Miami has been allowed to hand check and slap at nowitzki for the run of the series, while a breath on Dwyane Wade is called a foul. The worst example of which was the final series of plays in game 5, where Dirk is mugged (fouled by O'Neal) while still hitting the shot with 9.1 left on the clock, and on the other end Wade throws up a shot between 3 players, and is given a "benefit of the doubt" whistle where Craword pegs Nowitzki with a foul, when Nowitzki was clearly playing good defense. The double standard is obvious. This was just one sequence where it was evident. Dwyane Wade shot more free throws than the entire Mavs team.

This series has been officiated with the benefit clearly and blatantly in the favor of the Miami Heat and their star players. The NBA is a joke. Bogus. Bunk. Fixed. A fraud.

They are in the business of selling product. Is it any wonder that the team that they are promoting so heavily is the one on the receiving end of the officiating? They are in the business of controlling consumers, in maintaining revenue, in selling shoes, in selling jerseys to kids.


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It wouldnt matter if Howard made those free throws or not. Wade would have gotten to the line no matter how many times he shot the ball. Dirk made the shot that should have won the game. Wade countered it by bricking an ill advised low percentage shot among three players and was given an anticipation whistle.

What's much easier is for you to continue to ignore something that is as obvious as daylight in front of your face for the sake of continuing a jealousy-based grudge.

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Meltdown! I thought this team was the "worst team Dallas has faced in the playoffs."

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Old 06-19-2006, 01:44 PM   #1303
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You want the Sole reason why the Mavs lost last night? Ill give it too ya. Finesse vs Physical play. Its that simple.


First things first, before i get into why the Mavs really lost lets look at some of the other things. The Officiating in these playoffs has been atrocious beyond belief but it has worked against all teams not just one here or there. Mavs fans say that Wade got to the line too much. Well, duh. Wade is a physical offensive player and thus will get hacked a lot. But.. If it wasnt for the Mavs playing Hack a Shaq the Mavs would have never been in the penalty as much as they were. They just kept fouling Shaq throughout the game so there is no shock as too why the Heat were shooting free throws all night.

Not only that but the Heat missed 17 free throws to boot as opposed to 10 missed free throws by the Mavs. Technically, the Heat should have won this game by a mile anyway. But that is still not why the Mavs lost this game. This game hinged on two similiar plays made by two different players.

Fact 1: At the end of regulation Jason Terry receives the ball and puts up the final shot in which he has to arch it over 3 defenders. Not only that but Terry decides to perform a fade jumper in order to clear the ball over the defenders. Terry's biggest mistake here is that the game was tied. He had nothing to lose whatsover so why not try to jump into the defenders and draw the foul? I have more of a problem with this but ill get into it after my next point.

Fact 2: At the end of OT Dwayne Wade receives the ball and continues to drive towards the basket. Keep in mind that the Mavs are already in the penalty so ANY kind of body foul or reach in can send Wade to the free throw line. For the most part the Mavs play Wade well but Wade being the Superstar he is drives between 3 defenders and puts the ball up and draws the foul. Wade hits both free throws, end of game.


Now, this is where im confused with Llama and anyone who has been giving me the Dirk is a Superstar response. If you have a SUPERSTAR on your team and the game is on the line wouldnt you do ANYTHING you could to get the ball into that person's hands? Now before i get ridiculed for coming down on Dirk im not saying he isnt a great player. Im merely pointing out a fact of either bad coaching or a player not playing up to his potential. If im Avery Johnson i set up a play to get Dirk the ball at the end of regulation, not Terry. Dirk had some monster shots towards the end of the game and was clutch.

So why did Johnson choose not too put the ball into his best player's hands? Even if Dirk didnt have a great look he could have passed it to someone who was open as Dirk had been making great passes all night. On the other hand, Riley knew to put the ball into his best player's hands. Sure, Shaq is a HOF and Allstar but Shaq also hasnt been a factor in this series. Wade was the hot hand just like Dirk was for the Mavs only one guy got the ball while the other didnt. Although Dirk is distributing the ball well he really isnt taking charge of his team. If Dirk is going to be the face of the Dallas Mavericks he is going to have to at times put that team on his back and run with it. Not just in a game during the regular season but when it matters most.

But i read last night someone say that the Mavs are a soft team. Commentators today reiterated that same fact by saying the Mavs are getting too comfortable shooting jumpers instead of taking it to the basket. The last 3 games have seen the Heat playing much more physical than Dallas. Overall, there are 2 games left in which the Mavs will more than likely win them. They have much more firepower than the Heat and will be at home which they love. But to whine about officiating or claiming it to be the reason they lost is bogus. The proof is in the pudding, the Mavs had multiple chances to win last night and didnt get it done.
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:22 PM   #1304
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I meant to say that Wade's performance wasn't a miracle, but to say that two incredible performances from a great player for the Heat to win by the slimmest of margins.

Wade's sensational and downright amazing to watch.
True, kid is fun to watch.
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:22 PM   #1305
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I wonder who wins in a meltdown contest.... orange 4 life and jakeplummer/jay cutler, or llama and this series (and believe me, if the Heat take a game in Dallas it's gunna be epic)??
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I wonder who wins in a meltdown contest.... orange 4 life and jakeplummer/jay cutler, or llama and this series (and believe me, if the Heat take a game in Dallas it's gunna be epic)??

I doubt Llama has the kind of breakdown that O4L did. Llama has already warmed up his excuse in case they do lose to the Heat. O4L just didnt see the draft pick coming and thus vented.
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:27 PM   #1307
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I wonder who wins in a meltdown contest.... orange 4 life and jakeplummer/jay cutler, or llama and this series (and believe me, if the Heat take a game in Dallas it's gunna be epic)??
Well, since Llama is no longer watching the series and does not care I would have to go with orange 4 life
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:33 PM   #1308
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Well, since Llama is no longer watching the series and does not care I would have to go with orange 4 life

You really dont believe that do you? If the Mavs win Llama will be in here and wont leave until every maner knows that the Mavs have won the NBA Championship.
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You really dont believe that do you? If the Mavs win Llama will be in here and wont leave until every maner knows that the Mavs have won the NBA Championship.
I was being completely facetious. He's been conspicuously absent from this thread since game 4.
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Old 06-19-2006, 04:53 PM   #1310
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Meltdown! I thought this team was the "worst team Dallas has faced in the playoffs."

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Old 06-19-2006, 11:42 PM   #1311
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Turns out that this wasn't the first time that Josh Howard has had timeout issues.

Wake loses after calling timeout it didn't have

COLLEGE PARK, Md. (AP) -- Josh Howard sat in front of his locker, sobbing uncontrollably with his head buried in a towel.

Playing with a painful sprained left ankle, Howard had 18 points and 15 rebounds in 25 gritty minutes for Wake Forest (No. 21 ESPN/USA Today, No. 20 AP)on Sunday. But the junior forward also made a mistake that will haunt him for the rest of his life.

Juan Dixon made a technical foul shot with 1.3 seconds left after Howard called a timeout the Demon Deacons didn't have, giving No. 2 Maryland a 90-89 comeback victory.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:56 PM   #1312
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Dallas would have already wrapped up this series had Bob not jumped on the bandwagon.

He's basically going to ruin it for RVJ and the Llama. He's going to singlehandedly mess it up for Dallas fans. You might not like Dallas, but that's just wrong.

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If Wade goes to the hole and not to the line, the Heat are done.For Dallas, it's foul trouble -- they have the right guys to guard Shaq and Wade, but you can't predict those games when all the calls start going Miami's way. And that's the thing that bothers me about this series: No team depends on the refs quite like the Heat. When the refs are calling all the bumps on Shaq and protecting Wade on every drive, they're unstoppable. When they're calling everything fairly, they're eminently beatable. If they're not getting any calls, they're just about hopeless. I could see the refs swinging two games in Miami's favor during this series, possibly three. In fact, I'm already depressed about it and the series hasn't even started yet.
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Blame Johnson then, he is the one calling for the intentional fouls on Shaq. If your going to influence the refs by intentionally fouling a player your going to be in the penalty real quick. Dallas should just man up and play them and quit being being scared.
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Whatever. I didn't predict anything in the finals. I've been nothing but good luck.
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You know, lets go back a month and see how the Spurs talked in the media about the officiating (which was questionable at best during the Spurs-Mavs series), did Pop ever complained about it - NO.

Sure, there were a couple of comments from Bowen and TD, but its wasnt a whiny comment.

Remember how Llama and Bob would potray the Spurs as being whiners and complainers but never insist their team, the Mavs, whine and complain.

All I have to say is once again: WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.

Stop the complaining and just play. Tell your owner to stop his whining and immature facial reactions and tell your coach, AJ, who I admire a lot, to act like a professional in the media room.

And tell Dirk to stop kicking exercise bikes on his way out.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/quickie

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STOP. WHINING.

If the Mavs did less whining and more concentrating, maybe they wouldn't be facing elimination in the NBA Finals.

Start with the most glaring: Josh Howard insists he didn't call that timeout in between Dwayne Wade's free throws at the end of OT.

Stop whining! Don't you think that if the refs could possibly have waved off Howard's hand signal, they would have?

("Forced to call it, simple as that," ref Joey Crawford told Marc Stein.)

Back up from there: Coach Avery Johnson spent his postgame press conference complaining that Wade wasn't fouled by Dirk on that final play. "What do you think?" he kept repeating.

Stop whining! Maybe Johnson should have been worrying less about that particular call and more about stopping Wade generally. Dwyane scorched Dallas for 43, including 15 of the Heat's final 19 points.

(Wade's 23 free throws prior to that call should also have been an indication that he was drawing fouls and was going to get that call if it was close.)

Even owner Mark Cuban got into it: Heading into Sunday night, the weekend's biggest whine from the Mavs was over Jerry Stackhouse's suspension, so Cuban wore a Mavericks "42" jersey, presumably in solidarity.

Stop whining! It might have shown solidarity with Stack, but it didn't show much faith in the rest of the players, who managed to scrap together their most spirited effort of the Finals -- without the aid of any intentional fouling.

Now, compare all that griping to the way the Heat handled themselves after those first two losses in Dallas:

Shaq wouldn't talk to the media after his awful Game 2, but at least he wasn't making excuses; Pat Riley kept saying the Heat simply have to play better.

There might be two games left (both in Dallas, no less), but psychologically this series is over, based on the Mavs' defeatist, "we wuz robbed" whining.

Dallas' game plan for the rest of the Finals should be simple:

Get over it.
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In other NBA news, from Page 2:

-Chris Bosh: Reportedly will sign 6-year ext. with Raptors

-Cuban Blog Report: No update on the blog after Sunday night's debacle. Have to imagine he'll weigh in on the TO controversy today.

-Quickie fave Jordan Farmar will stay in the NBA draft, perhaps after posting a 42-inch(!) vertical. Teammate Arron Afflalo will go back to school.

-More NBA draft: Pitt 7-footer Aaron Gray will go back to school; Texas PG Daniel Gibson will stay in the draft (enjoy that second round, dude).

-Sixers chairman Ed Snider denies the newspaper report that he has ordered the trade of Allen Iverson. Why back away from it? The Sixers should trade AI.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/quickie

The Lead Item
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STOP. WHINING.

If the Mavs did less whining and more concentrating, maybe they wouldn't be facing elimination in the NBA Finals.

Start with the most glaring: Josh Howard insists he didn't call that timeout in between Dwayne Wade's free throws at the end of OT.

Stop whining! Don't you think that if the refs could possibly have waved off Howard's hand signal, they would have?

("Forced to call it, simple as that," ref Joey Crawford told Marc Stein.)

Back up from there: Coach Avery Johnson spent his postgame press conference complaining that Wade wasn't fouled by Dirk on that final play. "What do you think?" he kept repeating.

Stop whining! Maybe Johnson should have been worrying less about that particular call and more about stopping Wade generally. Dwyane scorched Dallas for 43, including 15 of the Heat's final 19 points.

(Wade's 23 free throws prior to that call should also have been an indication that he was drawing fouls and was going to get that call if it was close.)

Even owner Mark Cuban got into it: Heading into Sunday night, the weekend's biggest whine from the Mavs was over Jerry Stackhouse's suspension, so Cuban wore a Mavericks "42" jersey, presumably in solidarity.

Stop whining! It might have shown solidarity with Stack, but it didn't show much faith in the rest of the players, who managed to scrap together their most spirited effort of the Finals -- without the aid of any intentional fouling.

Now, compare all that griping to the way the Heat handled themselves after those first two losses in Dallas:

Shaq wouldn't talk to the media after his awful Game 2, but at least he wasn't making excuses; Pat Riley kept saying the Heat simply have to play better.

There might be two games left (both in Dallas, no less), but psychologically this series is over, based on the Mavs' defeatist, "we wuz robbed" whining.

Dallas' game plan for the rest of the Finals should be simple:

Get over it.

That speaks the truth. For a team that is really damn good like Dallas, I havent seen a team that good b*tch and complain in many years of watching the game closely.

They need to get over it.

You can tell they are acting like Finals rookies and not veterans because they havent been in this position before.

Remember when the Spurs lost to the Mavs after game 7, did Pop complain? No. All of the players commended the Mavs for winning and they went on towards the off-season.

Another just another DAMN example on which team is more classy, the Spurs or Mavs.

The Heat havent offered any excuses to why they lost the first two except to say they need to play better.

I havent heard a lot of talk from the Mavs players giving the Heat credit.

All I hear is crying, crying and more crying.
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In other NBA news, from Page 2:

-Chris Bosh: Reportedly will sign 6-year ext. with Raptors

-Cuban Blog Report: No update on the blog after Sunday night's debacle. Have to imagine he'll weigh in on the TO controversy today.

-Quickie fave Jordan Farmar will stay in the NBA draft, perhaps after posting a 42-inch(!) vertical. Teammate Arron Afflalo will go back to school.

-More NBA draft: Pitt 7-footer Aaron Gray will go back to school; Texas PG Daniel Gibson will stay in the draft (enjoy that second round, dude).

-Sixers chairman Ed Snider denies the newspaper report that he has ordered the trade of Allen Iverson. Why back away from it? The Sixers should trade AI.
Pitt is going to be strong next season w/ Gray coming back.
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The Mavs whining reminds me of the Broncos after the game in KC.
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I dont think its whining. According to that article the Heat did well by 1) shaq not doing a post game interview [fined for $10k], and 2) Riley stating that they just need to play better.

So, the heat either refused to talk or took the political stance by saying the "right thing." I understand that some of it on the mavs side might be considered whining, but at the same time I applaud them for standing up for whats going on. a lot of people hate cuban. I attribute that to the fact that people are fans of other teams. Cuban has done a TON to revitalize the game and if he was your owner, you know you'd love him too. Theres NO other owner like him, and being part of the new generation (sorry baby boomers) I think its great.
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All I hear is crying, crying and more crying.
Oh, come on. They give plenty of credit to Miami. And as much as we hear Avery gripe after the games, he makes sure to turn it around to give Miami credit. Dirk and Terry do the same thing. Miami shouldn't need credit from the other team anyway. The 3-2 series lead should speak for itself.
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I'm predicting a blowout tonight. I have no idea who will win, but if the Mavs come out pissed off and pumped up, they'll roll over Miami. If they come out pissed off and sulking, it's over.
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Oh, come on. They give plenty of credit to Miami. And as much as we hear Avery gripe after the games, he makes sure to turn it around to give Miami credit. Dirk and Terry do the same thing. Miami shouldn't need credit from the other team anyway. The 3-2 series lead should speak for itself.

AJ has and Dirk has but their whining overshadows the compliments (few) they hand out.

Maybe Cuban's fuse overshadows everything else.
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