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Old 06-19-2006, 01:26 AM   #1276
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MILWAUKEE -- Stopping just short of alleging an outright anti-Bucks conspiracy, Ray Allen said Thursday that the NBA would prefer to see the Philadelphia 76ers face the Los Angeles Lakers in the finals. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=2>
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</TD><TD width=65>Allen</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>"I think there's no question about that. The league, as a marketing machine, the bottom line is about making money," Allen said. "It behooves everybody for the league to make more money, and the league knows that Philadelphia is going to make more money with L.A. than we would with L.A." Coming off a crushing one-point Game 5 loss in which two flagrant fouls and a technical foul cost the Bucks dearly, Milwaukee now faces a must-win situation in Game 6 Friday night. The best-of-seven series is tied 3-3, with the winner of Sunday's finale in Philadelphia moving on to face the Los Angeles Lakers in the NBA Finals beginning next Wednesday. The Bucks have complained about the officiating since Game 4, when they felt Glenn Robinson was fouled on a crucial possession late in the fourth quarter that turned into a breakaway layup for the 76ers. In Game 5, Sam Cassell's technical foul and flagrant fouls on Robinson and Tim Thomas resulted in a five-point possession and two four-point possessions for Philadelphia, and the Bucks admitted that those three mistakes cost them the game. <!---------------------PULL-QUOTE TABLE (BEGIN)---------------------><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD width=4><SPACER height="1" width="3" type="block"></TD><TD></TD><TD width=225>It behooves everybody for the league to make more money, and the league knows that Philadelphia is going to make more money with L.A. than we would with L.A.</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD width=4><SPACER height="1" width="3" type="block"></TD><TD>
</TD><TD width=225>Ray Allen</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!---------------------PULL-QUOTE TABLE (END)--------------------->But aside from what they felt was the questionable nature of those calls, the Bucks also had a problem with several other whistles -- touch fouls on Cassell and Ervin Johnson early in the game and a moving screen call on Jason Caffey late in the fourth quarter. Cassell's complaining began in the first quarter when he pump-faked Allen Iverson off his feet and Iverson whacked him hard on the arm. No foul was called, even though the play happened directly in front of referee Ronnie Nunn. "Nine times out of 10 when you have a referee you know there's no biases," Allen said. "But in the back of everybody's minds it's like Philadelphia and the MVP needs to play in the finals. "I used to always think the series were fixed when I was in high school, then when I got to the NBA I said there's no way they could be fixed. But even last year against Indiana in Game 5 (of Milwaukee's first-round series) it seemed like everything went against us," Allen said. The NBA assigns its veteran referees to work playoff games based upon merit. Different teams have complained throughout the years that superstars receive preferential treatment from the officials, and the Bucks are merely the latest upstarts to learn that playoff games at the end of May are often called differently than regular-season games. Complaining about specific calls is one thing; alleging a conspiracy is another. And though nobody on the Bucks came right out and said it, all the questions about a conspiracy theory found a welcoming audience. Allen said members of his family had told him that they were sitting across from NBA commissioner David Stern on Sunday and noticed him stand up to watch a replay after it appeared Allen got away with committing a foul against Iverson that wasn't called. "He jumped up real mad like he was cheering for Philly," Allen said. Bucks coach George Karl said conspiracy theories were "summer talk," although he claimed three other NBA coaches had called him after Game 5 to raise that very issue. "Sam Cassell said that Kevin Garnett and Rod Strickland had called him, so it's out there," Karl said. The NBA has always laughed off the charge, but conspiracy theorists often point to Game 7 of the 1993 Western Conference finals in making their case -- saying Phoenix got an inordinate number of calls against Seattle because the league wanted to see a Suns-Chicago Bulls final. "Here was the scenario: A Barkley-Jordan final, and Barkley did a commercial for NBC three weeks before the finals -- and he told me about it. And then they shoot 67 free throws in the final game," said Karl, who coached the SuperSonics in that game. There were 100 foul shots taken in that game, 64 by the Suns. Seattle was called for 38 personal fouls and had three players disqualified; Phoenix was whistled for 27 fouls and had no one foul out. "So there's a little paranoia there, but tomorrow night that means nothing," Karl said. "The board room is behind closed doors in New York City, so no one's ever going to know. NBA spokesman Brian McIntyre said the league had no comment on the Bucks' remarks. Supervisor of officials Ed Rush did not return a phone call to his Phoenix office. In the history of the NBA playoffs, teams that have taken a 3-2 lead in Game 5 have gone on to win the series 83 percent of the time. One of the exceptions was this year's Bucks, who dropped three straight games to the Charlotte Hornets in the second round before coming back and winning Games 6 and 7. The Bucks continue to defiantly insist they are the better team, and they believe they will win Games 6 and 7 if they continue to hold Iverson in check. Iverson has shot just 33-for-120 (27 percent) from the field during the series as the Bucks have hugely overplayed him to his right, forcing Iverson to go to his left. "In the Toronto series everybody said you had to double-team him, but have you seen him go left and score?" Allen asked. "That's all he wants to do is go right, and if he goes left he's going to jump back to the right. "So he can't score going to his left unless he passes the ball, but if he goes right he's the biggest scoring threat in the world." Only Game 6 will tell if that strategy will continue to work -- and whether people will continue to believe that an anti-Bucks conspiracy exists. "I'm not alleging a conspiracy, I'm not getting caught up in anything that I think the league has going on or what they might want," Allen said. "I'm just saying if we control what we can control, we'll be in L.A. playing the Lakers. "If we play like we're capable of playing and not let the referees have a hand in the outcome of the game, then we'll have nothing to worry about."

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Old 06-19-2006, 02:53 AM   #1277
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:31 AM   #1278
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It wouldnt matter if Howard made those free throws or not. Wade would have gotten to the line no matter how many times he shot the ball. Dirk made the shot that should have won the game. Wade countered it by bricking an ill advised low percentage shot among three players and was given an anticipation whistle.

What's much easier is for you to continue to ignore something that is as obvious as daylight in front of your face for the sake of continuing a jealousy-based grudge.

So let me get this straight? You have two games at home and your already writing off your team? Typical of you lama. When things dont go your way your so quick to blame somone else other than your team not stepping up when they need too. Dallas has been a monster at home so why you would abandon your team now is sad and pathetic. Obviously anything can happen but the chance of Miami winning in Dallas is almost nil. Lets face it, Miami just has a better D than Dallas and have played more physical ( at least at home ) than Dallas. Even with all that Dallas still had a chance to pull out that game last night.
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:33 AM   #1279
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Forget Howard, I really enjoy the fact that the Mav-Faithful are dancing around the fact that for the second game in this series Dirk "The Almighty God And Should Have Been MVP" Nowitzki has missed an important free throw late in the game.

Wait? didnt you see the ref jump up behind Dirk and make him miss that?
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:37 AM   #1280
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Now, watch and see if the Mavs win the series. Llama will be in here with the " I told you so's and spewing about how his Mavs overcame adversity yada yada yada ".
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Old 06-19-2006, 07:33 AM   #1281
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Mavs fans complaining about the officiating. What a novel concept. Their team whine and complains so much but yet they insist the Spurs do it more.

But what goes around comes around. The Spurs after they lost, gave all the credit to the Mavs for beating them and most of its fans did as well (I did).

But to see the Mavs fans complaining, come on, get over it. They blew leads in games 3 and 5.
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Old 06-19-2006, 07:34 AM   #1282
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I hate to agree with Llama, but that foul call was atrocious. Wade was not touched.

EDIT: OK, I see all his whining and threats to stop watching b-ball (what I call the the "you-made-me-mad-I'm-taking the ball-home-and-tell-Mommy!" syndrome); my sympathy is rescinded.

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Old 06-19-2006, 07:43 AM   #1283
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:00 AM   #1284
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Llama needs to get over it.

The Mavs still have a good chance to win the series but they whine too much.
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Old 06-19-2006, 08:35 AM   #1285
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This thread delivers on so many levels it's not even funny.

Mavs "fans" (and by that I mean Bob and Llama, not the good Mavs fans) -- shut up. I never heard any of you b**** about the officiating up to this point. The same officiating that has given Dirk an NBA record free throw attempts in the playoffs. And llama, if you're that ****ing dilusional about the NBA being corrupt, stop watching, stop b****ing and unplug your computer so we don't have to hear about it. You just sound like a whiny little b****.

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Old 06-19-2006, 09:22 AM   #1286
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Mavs "fans" (and by that I mean Bob and Llama, not the good Mavs fans) -- shut up. I never heard any of you b**** about the officiating up to this point. The same officiating that has given Dirk an NBA record free throw attempts in the playoffs. And llama, if you're that ****ing dilusional about the NBA being corrupt, stop watching, stop b****ing and unplug your computer so we don't have to hear about it. You just sound like a whiny little b****.
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Old 06-19-2006, 09:27 AM   #1287
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The foul they called with 1:30 to go in OT was so blatantly wrong, I've never seen a worse call in my life. But it was D. Wade...pfff
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The foul they called with 1:30 to go in OT was so blatantly wrong, I've never seen a worse call in my life. But it was D. Wade...pfff
The one where Wade dribbled from the three point line and spun around the free throw line? I can't remember the players for the Mavs on that one, but the player that was closer to the three point line bumped Wade pretty good.

I am surprised Mav fan have not accused Bennet Salvatore of handing the Heat a bucket when Wade fell out of bounds on Salvatore, stayed down for a couple of momments and then was wide open under the hoop for an easy dunk.
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Old 06-19-2006, 09:38 AM   #1289
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The one where Wade dribbled from the three point line and spun around the free throw line? I can't remember the players for the Mavs on that one, but the player that was closer to the three point line bumped Wade pretty good.
I play a ton of basketball, and that was not a foul. It was a pick and roll, Harris got picked as Wade went left around it. Then Howard whose man set the pick, stepped up and was set right at the FT line, Wade who was going left spun back to his right, his backside slammed into Howard at the FT line who was set. Wade was out of control, and Howard got called for a foul...for what I have no idea.

Hubie Browns apologetic sorry ass goes "And you can see the player is moving", as if by telling you what you are seeing is going to make the video display his words.

Memo to Hubie Brown, you are not Bruce Almighty!!!

It was clearly a charge on Wade, or a travel, but not a foul on Howard which led to 2 points, the difference in the game being 1 pt. Worst call ever imo.
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I play a ton of basketball, and that was not a foul. It was a pick and roll, Harris got picked as Wade went left around it. Then Howard whose man set the pick, stepped up and was set right at the FT line, Wade who was going left spun back to his right, his backside slammed into Howard at the FT line who was set. Wade was out of control, and Howard got called for a foul...for what I have no idea.

Hubie Browns apologetic sorry ass goes "And you can see the player is moving", as if by telling you what you are seeing is going to make the video display his words.

Memo to Hubie Brown, you are not Bruce Almighty!!!

It was clearly a charge on Wade, or a travel, but not a foul on Howard which led to 2 points, the difference in the game being 1 pt. Worst call ever imo.

Huh.... I was watching the game but listening to music so I did not here the commentators. Howard did not look set to me, but that's just my take. Hardly the worst call ever. I thought is was a travel, block on Howard or a foul on Harris. Could have gone either way. Reminds me of the Champ Bailey INT return against the Pats. That call could have gone either way, but either way it was going to be called was not going to be "the worst call ever"

And since how much B-Ball a poster has played is relevant to this thread, I too play a lot of basketball.
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And since how much B-Ball a poster has played is relevant to this thread, I too play a lot of basketball.
Because an experianced ball player recognizes a player out of control. Howard was set because Wade spun back underneath the pick, where Howard was coming from. I'm trying to find a replay of it, it was an awful call.
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Because an experianced ball player recognizes a player out of control. Howard was set because Wade spun back underneath the pick, where Howard was coming from. I'm trying to find a replay of it, it was an awful call.
Freak you could very well be correct, I saw the play live and the ensuing replay that's it just two times. As I said before I would not have been surprised by any of the calls that could have beeen made. I certainly did not think it was the worst call ever....iffy maybe but not even awful.

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Old 06-19-2006, 10:37 AM   #1293
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Because an experianced ball player recognizes a player out of control. Howard was set because Wade spun back underneath the pick, where Howard was coming from. I'm trying to find a replay of it, it was an awful call.
Howard may have been set, though I didn't think so from the replay, but I certainly don't think Wade was out of control. That's a hard thing to tell with reckless abandon players like him.
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Howard may have been set, though I didn't think so from the replay, but I certainly don't think Wade was out of control. That's a hard thing to tell with reckless abandon players like him.
Anytime a player spins hard like that, and his backside slams into a set player, it is a charge. It's one of the those plays that noone remembers. Like Sharpe's holding penalty in SB32 that TD broke to the goalline. Noone remembers that call, because Mike called the same play again, and it worked even better the 2nd time. I think that is when Eddie Mac got that block and pointed at that LB he tattooed. Anyway, plays like that decide games, it's not just the last second shots.

I can't find the replay, it's buried, but if you saw it again, you'd see what a bs call it was.
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I think it was the best call ever.
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I just hate seeing superstars get bail out calls because of who they are. That is the best example of a bail out call I've ever seen.
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I just hate seeing superstars get bail out calls because of who they are. That is the best example of a bail out call I've ever seen.

Just like Bruce Bowen's foul on Dirk in game 4 and TD's sixth foul on Dirk in game 3.

Dirk got the calls and now Wade is. Sweet Justice if you ask me as a Spurs fan.

Mavs fans now know what its like to feel like the calls go against you.

But thats not the reason the Spurs lost to the Mavs, Dallas outplayed them in game 7 when it mattered.

Dallas should stop its whining and just focus on the task at hand. They have two home games, are tough to beat down there and it took two Wade miracles for Miami to be up 3-2.
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They have two home games, are tough to beat down there and it took two Wade miracles for Miami to be up 3-2.
Miracles? I don't look at them as such. Wade is uber clutch, I expect him to make those shots now. Besides, that banker wasn't a miracle, it was just a nice move going to his right (can't let him go right in that situation), and he stopped and hung in the air. Really wasn't a difficult shot, its his insane athleticism that got him to beat Griffith and then stop and elevate as Griffith did his best to stay with him, but the incidental contact and momemtum made him hit the deck. Just a great move by a great player. I expect him to make these kind of plays now, Wade has elevated himself the last 2 years into elite superstar status. They could have beaten the Pistons last year if he wasnt hurt.
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Wait.. So you are telling me that the biggest star players get the best calls? No way, that'd be like the star pitchers of Major League Baseball getting a little bit of a bigger strike zone.

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