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Old 06-19-2006, 12:10 AM   #1226
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That rule is basic.
Obviously not basic enough for Mark Cuban.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:13 AM   #1227
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Game 5 of the mother****ing NBA FINALS is decided at the free throw line.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:14 AM   #1228
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OK, I just copied what seemed relevant. For the full rule, check out the link.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_8....av=ArticleList

RULE NO. 8-OUT-OF-BOUNDS AND THROW-IN

Section I-Player The player is out-of-bounds when he touches the floor or any object on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air, his position is that from which he last touched the floor.

This seemed relevant because I believe the argument being made is that since Wade jumped from the front court and landed in the backcourt, it was like he caught the ball in the front court. However, this rule applies for players going out of bounds. I didn't see anything about jumping and catching a ball inbounds.

Section III-The Throw-In
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e. Any ball out-of-bounds in a team's frontcourt or at the midcourt line cannot be passed into the backcourt. On all backcourt and midcourt violations, the ball shall be awarded to the opposing team at the midcourt line, and must be passed into the frontcourt.
EXCEPTION: During the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period, the ball may be passed anywhere (frontcourt or backcourt) on the court.


That's all it says on inbounding a ball. Seems like Cuban is reaching. I see what his argument is, but the only time that it matters where a guy jumped from is when he goes out of bounds, I think.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:19 AM   #1229
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There was no violation. Cuban is looking for anyone but his players & coaches to blame because that's how he runs his organization. There's no such thing as accountability in that franchise because the excuse making starts at the top and rolls downhill. That's obvious from watching Avery Johnson and Dirk Nowitzki get up in front of the press and go on and on about the officiating rather than what they need to do to win game 6.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:19 AM   #1230
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don't really care who wins. I hate Dallas nearly as much as any team.....but stern has turned the NBA into a laughing stock. Rules shmoolz.....let's get a bunch of retirees reffing a game so social security can be saved......whee.
I have been completely disillusioned by this series. I feel like the idiot who took the bait and got hooked. I dont know if I'll be able to stomach another year of this stuff. From the beginning, the league has marketed their superstar players in the finals. All of the media has concerned Wade and Shaq, with the Jordan comparisons flying wildly about. Then the ref gaffes begin...

One or two missed calls is not a big deal...you go on and you play through them. But continued imbalance and inconsistencies have added up over the course of the series to mount to something that shows me I'm an idiot for buying a ticket to an NBA game. The series opener saw Shaq elbow Nowitzki in the face when the two were alone under the basket. an elbow above the shoulders is an ejectable, suspendable offense. To make matters worse, Shaq elbows Stackhouse in the face later in the same game and opens a gash on his nose that requires three stitches to close. The league didnt address either instance. O'Neal has been allowed to throw players around in the lane using his hands and elbows throughout the entire series and has not been called for blocking fouls when sticking his arms out into shooters without making an attempt to block the shot. Later in the series, Udonis Haslem laid a hard blow across Terry's face while Terry dunked the ball. He knocked Terry off balance in the air, and Terry crashed onto his back. This play is no different than the one that Stackhouse hit Joe Johnson with in the playoffs last season. This is now a suspendable offense. Needless to say, neither O'Neal or Haslem were fined or suspended.

There is a double standard when the league addresses illegal play, and there is a double standard when whistling fouls on the floor. Miami has been allowed to hand check and slap at nowitzki for the run of the series, while a breath on Dwyane Wade is called a foul. The worst example of which was the final series of plays in game 5, where Dirk is mugged (fouled by O'Neal) while still hitting the shot with 9.1 left on the clock, and on the other end Wade throws up a shot between 3 players, and is given a "benefit of the doubt" whistle where Craword pegs Nowitzki with a foul, when Nowitzki was clearly playing good defense. The double standard is obvious. This was just one sequence where it was evident. Dwyane Wade shot more free throws than the entire Mavs team.

This series has been officiated with the benefit clearly and blatantly in the favor of the Miami Heat and their star players. The NBA is a joke. Bogus. Bunk. Fixed. A fraud.

They are in the business of selling product. Is it any wonder that the team that they are promoting so heavily is the one on the receiving end of the officiating? They are in the business of controlling consumers, in maintaining revenue, in selling shoes, in selling jerseys to kids.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:19 AM   #1231
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I will say what a game tonight. I do think the calls were typical NBA they don't call the game the same both ways. Miami only had 2 fouls in 3rd qtr playing that physical on D. Terry drove to the basket alot of times and was fouled and no call. The last foul was weak.
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Who didn't see that coming.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:25 AM   #1233
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I also find it odd that no one is talking about Josh Howard missing a pair of late free throws well before his timeout gaffe.

Nah, keep talking about the officiating. It's much easier.
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Don't you just love the sore loser?
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:29 AM   #1236
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They are in the business of selling product. Is it any wonder that the team that they are promoting so heavily is the one on the receiving end of the officiating? They are in the business of controlling consumers, in maintaining revenue, in selling shoes, in selling jerseys to kids.
That is so freakin' stupid I don't even know where to start.

But I will say this: The NBA enacted a dress code because they wanted their players to look and be able to relate to the people buying tickets, white business professionals. If this were truly all about controlling consumers and selling jerseys, wouldn't they want the WHITE player to succeed, be the next Bird, inspire white America to love the NBA like it does the NFL?

Everything you're saying would suggest that Dirk should be getting every single call, if this were about revenue.
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I also find it odd that no one is talking about Josh Howard missing a pair of late free throws well before his timeout gaffe.
Nah, keep talking about the officiating. It's much easier.
It wouldnt matter if Howard made those free throws or not. Wade would have gotten to the line no matter how many times he shot the ball. Dirk made the shot that should have won the game. Wade countered it by bricking an ill advised low percentage shot among three players and was given an anticipation whistle.

What's much easier is for you to continue to ignore something that is as obvious as daylight in front of your face for the sake of continuing a jealousy-based grudge.
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They haven't lost anything yet. They get to go home for game 6 and possibly game 7. As I said before, they're down but not out.
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I just think the game should be called the same way on both ends. I don't care if Dallas or Miami wins.
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I also find it odd that no one is talking about Josh Howard missing a pair of late free throws well before his timeout gaffe.

Nah, keep talking about the officiating. It's much easier.
Forget Howard, I really enjoy the fact that the Mav-Faithful are dancing around the fact that for the second game in this series Dirk "The Almighty God And Should Have Been MVP" Nowitzki has missed an important free throw late in the game.
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That is so freakin' stupid I don't even know where to start.

But I will say this: The NBA enacted a dress code because they wanted their players to look and be able to relate to the people buying tickets, white business professionals. If this were truly all about controlling consumers and selling jerseys, wouldn't they want the WHITE player to succeed, be the next Bird, inspire white America to love the NBA like it does the NFL?

Everything you're saying would suggest that Dirk should be getting every single call, if this were about revenue.
No, because white players dont sell merchandise. How many white players are in the top ten in jersey sales? What about in shoe sales? How about commercial advertising? None there either? This stuff is marketed to inner city black kids and adults.

I hope that you're not a marketing major because your business sense is awful.
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:33 AM   #1242
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I also find it odd that no one is talking about Josh Howard missing a pair of late free throws well before his timeout gaffe.

Nah, keep talking about the officiating. It's much easier.
Nope. Over and back. And the NBA is on Wade's jock. They're either racist or xenophobic.
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If this were truly all about controlling consumers and selling jerseys, wouldn't they want the WHITE player to succeed, be the next Bird, inspire white America to love the NBA like it does the NFL?

Everything you're saying would suggest that Dirk should be getting every single call, if this were about revenue.
Foreigners don't count as white in sports marketing. Poor Dirky is despised by the League, and all media outlets, in a strikingly well coordinated conspiracy campaign.
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No, because white players dont sell merchandise. How many white players are in the top ten in jersey sales? What about in shoe sales? How about commercial advertising? None there either? This stuff is marketed to inner city black kids and adults.

I hope that you're not a marketing major because your business sense is awful.
No doubt that young kids, whether black or white, buy the jerseys and shoes by the dozen.

But you don't think that the NBA would be interested in having a white icon to promote like the NFL does? You're delusional if you don't think the NBA would love that.

The NBA would love white america to embrace the NBA after many people stopped watching. And furthermore, it's all about ad sales, and ticket sales, and TV revenue. It ain't just throwback jerseys.

Why do you think the NFL is so successful? It's a great game, no doubt. But a huge part of that is because the two most identifiable positions in the game, the QB and the Head Coach, are predominantly white.

But you're right, I'm the one with a terrible business sense.
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It wouldnt matter if Howard made those free throws or not. Wade would have gotten to the line no matter how many times he shot the ball. Dirk made the shot that should have won the game. Wade countered it by bricking an ill advised low percentage shot among three players and was given an anticipation whistle.

What's much easier is for you to continue to ignore something that is as obvious as daylight in front of your face for the sake of continuing a jealousy-based grudge.
First, I want to congratulate you for having the courage to actually show up after a loss, llama. That's very big and unexpected of you.

If you honestly believe that anyone is jealous of you or your team, you must be living 4 feet up your own ass these days instead of the 3 I estimated before. Your classless organization is the envy of no one.

You won't talk about Howard gagging on his own balls or your hero turning back into a soft jump shooter. Nah, you're a Mark Cuban sheep through and through. You're now just rehashing your conspiracy theories from earlier in the playoffs when the Mavs were on the brink of elimination. Funny to see how you've come back to this after all your chest thumping about breaking out the brooms before.

Proof positive that there is no such thing as accountability with the Mavs. That goes for the organization and the fanbase.
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He wasn't even fouled. All night. Wade was getting the call when Dallas breathed on him.

There's some home cookin' going on when ONE PLAYER gets to the line as many times as the entire other team.
it MIGHT have had to do with the fact that the mavs were telling the ref they were going to foul shaq. if i were a ref id penalize them for that and probly call an intentional
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No doubt that young kids, whether black or white, buy the jerseys and shoes by the dozen.
But you don't think that the NBA would be interested in having a white icon to promote like the NFL does? You're delusional if you don't think the NBA would love that.
he NBA would love white america to embrace the NBA after many people stopped watching. And furthermore, it's all about ad sales, and ticket sales, and TV revenue. It ain't just throwback jerseys.
Why do you think the NFL is so successful? It's a great game, no doubt. But a huge part of that is because the two most identifiable positions in the game, the QB and the Head Coach, are predominantly white.
But you're right, I'm the one with a terrible business sense.
The NBA fan on average is from a different demographic. You still cant tell me whose shoes and jerseys are the most popular. Why not? Is it because they prove your juvenile trust wrong?
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