2006 NBA Finals: Miami Heat Vs. Dallas Mavericks - Page 49 - The Orange Mane

The Big E · 06-18-2006, 10:20 PM

I can't believe Dallas lost all three games in Miami. Wade got a lot of generous calls tonight for sure. Who fell down for Dallas when they could have had him trapped on the sidelilne? Was it a flop? If so, very weak. If he just fell down, just bad luck.

After Howard did his C-Webb impression, I thought back to the 1976 finals, game 5, at the end of the second OT. Phoenix was behind by one with a second left and had to inbounds it in full court from the baseline. Paul Westphal had the idea to call a timeout that they didn't have, which led to a T. They gave up the point, BUT, because of the T, they were then allowed to throw the ball in from mid-court. Gar Heard then hit one of the greatest shots of all time and sent the game to a third OT. Would the rules today have allowed Dallas to do the same thing tonight? If so, they should have.

Did I just age myself? Hey, I was only 13 then and a die-hard Suns fan, so I'm not too ancient.

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-18-2006, 10:40 PM

Yet another screw job by the officials:

Wade was established in the front court and then went into the backcourt to catch the in-bounds pass. That is a backcourt violation.

Clockwork Orange · 06-18-2006, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Yet another screw job by the officials:

Wade was established in the front court and then went into the backcourt to catch the in-bounds pass. That is a backcourt violation.

No it isn't, not on an out of bounds play.

Learn the rules before you start whining, frontrunning fag.

DarkHorse30 · 06-18-2006, 10:43 PM

The NBA is a joke.

-Slap- · 06-18-2006, 10:43 PM

El mergo chango!

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-18-2006, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

No it isn't, not on an out of bounds play.

Learn the rules before you start whining, frontrunning fag.

I'm just quoting Mark Cuban. Those were his words. Apparently you know the rules better than NBA owner.

Clockwork Orange · 06-18-2006, 10:44 PM

In before this gets merged into the existing thread.

You and Bob can cry on each others shoulders.

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-18-2006, 10:47 PM

He wasn't even fouled. All night. Wade was getting the call when Dallas breathed on him.

There's some home cookin' going on when ONE PLAYER gets to the line as many times as the entire other team.

Clockwork Orange · 06-18-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

I'm just quoting Mark Cuban. Those were his words. Apparently you know the rules better than NBA owner.

Apparently I do. You're allowed to use the entire court to inbound the ball, frontcourt and backcourt.

Cuban is just doing what he always does, whining and crying. I'm sure he appreciates you taking up his cause regardless of the fact that it makes you both look like idiots.

I also know that if you call your last timeout before the 2nd free throw, you don't get to advance the ball. I guess I know the rulebook better than Josh Howard too.

Rulon Velvet Jones · 06-18-2006, 10:50 PM

**** me.

Gutty performance by Dallas tonight. Mental mistakes did them in.

It's amazing to see that Wade as many FTs as the entire Mavericks team. I don't think Dallas shot a single one in the 3rd quarter. Now, I don't like to call out the refs as I feel that's a crutch - but there's some friggin' in the riggin'. You can say that Miami shot so many because they were the aggressor, but that wouldn't apply in this game. Dallas was taking it as hard as Miami was. Homecooking, preferential treatment, whatever. I don't know what it is exactly, but there's some bull**** going down in the NBA. It's not just in the series. It's running rampant and looks to get worse unless someone calls them out on the inconsistency (paging Cuban's blog, paging Mark Cuban's blog).

The final timeout called by Howard (or whatever it is that happened) might not have made that much of a difference. I know people will say that that error did them in, but really - were they going to score with the 1.9 left? It was unlikely.

Well, back to Dallas. I think the team will get a huge boost from coming home and maybe get a bit of the home cooking. I think Dallas blows them out big in Game 6 to force a showdown for Thursday. The absence of Stack hurt a bit tonight as the bench didn't come up as big as was needed (though Quis did play well in his time covering Wade).

I can't believe the playoffs have been going on for almost 2 months now and amount to about an additional 25% of play. I'm a young lad and have had about 4 heart attacks in that time.

DarkHorse30 · 06-18-2006, 10:50 PM

don't really care who wins. I hate Dallas nearly as much as any team.....but stern has turned the NBA into a laughing stock. Rules shmoolz.....let's get a bunch of retirees reffing a game so social security can be saved......whee.

watermock · 06-18-2006, 10:50 PM

The game was called tight all night Boob, because of the hack job Stackhouse gave Shaq. Your not even remotely in touch with reality. I like both teams, but the team that wins game 5...

Now you have conflicting history. Since 2-3-2 only two teams have overcome an 0-2 basement. I can't wait for the talking heads at ESPN to splain this one away. I still give the edge to Dallas, but just barely.

RhymesayersDU · 06-18-2006, 10:51 PM

I'd actually want to look that call up, because it looked fishy to me at first.

Yes, you're allowed to catch the ball in the backcourt on an out of bounds, but Wade jumped from the front court and caught the ball in the backcourt. Not sure if that matters, but for argument's sake, if you were to catch the ball in the front court on an out of bounds play, you wouldn't be able to dribble it into the backcourt.

I don't know for sure on this, I think Wade was allowed to catch the ball in mid-air like he did because what matters is the ball, not the player, and the ball was never in the frount court, technically. But again, I'd have to look it up.

Clockwork Orange · 06-18-2006, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

There's some home cookin' going on when ONE PLAYER gets to the line as many times as the entire other team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260513006

Dirk Nowitzki: 21-24 (team attempted 50) from the line
San Antonio 22-32 from the line

So was there some "home cookin'" going on in that game too?

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-18-2006, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Apparently I do. You're allowed to use the entire court to inbound the ball, frontcourt and backcourt.

That wasn't the issue. The issue was that Wade had established himself in the frontcourt first. That was what Cuban said anyway.

watermock · 06-18-2006, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

I'm just quoting Mark Cuban. Those were his words. Apparently you know the rules better than NBA owner.

He was at the right place at the right time. I loved his consternation. It rivaled Al Davis after the Tuck. Asking for Validation from Texas isn't allowed here.

Clockwork Orange · 06-18-2006, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

That wasn't the issue. The issue was that Wade had established himself in the frontcourt first. That was what Cuban said anyway.

Cuban's full of ****, but then what else is new.

Sour grapes.

RhymesayersDU · 06-18-2006, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260513006

Dirk Nowitzki: 21-24 (team attempted 50) from the line
San Antonio 22-32 from the line

So was there some "home cookin'" going on in that game too?

Clockwork, you know better than to bring in actual facts when dealing with Mavs fans.

-Slap- · 06-18-2006, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

I'd actually want to look that call up, because it looked fishy to me at first.

Yes, you're allowed to catch the ball in the backcourt on an out of bounds, but Wade jumped from the front court and caught the ball in the backcourt. Not sure if that matters, but for argument's sake, if you were to catch the ball in the front court on an out of bounds play, you wouldn't be able to dribble it into the backcourt.

I don't know for sure on this, I think Wade was allowed to catch the ball in mid-air like he did because what matters is the ball, not the player, and the ball was never in the frount court, technically. But again, I'd have to look it up.

You explained it correctly just now. Had he dribbled into the backcourt, he would have turned over the ball. Running from the frontcourt to the backcourt to receive the pass was completely legal.

Clockwork Orange · 06-18-2006, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhymesayersDU

Clockwork, you know better than to bring in actual facts when dealing with Mavs fans.

Just want to make sure that they're introduced at some point. The Mavs have benefitted from some pretty ticky tack officiating themselves at times in these playoffs, so they really don't have much room to complain.

Breck Bronc · 06-18-2006, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkHorse30

The NBA is a joke.

Quoted for truth.

Bob's your Information Minister · 06-18-2006, 11:03 PM

This violation is being termed an "over and back" on the Mavs board.

BTW, yes Dirk shot 24 free throws. That wasn't as many as the entire Spurs team!

Clockwork Orange · 06-18-2006, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

This violation is being termed an "over and back" on the Mavs board.

BTW, yes Dirk shot 24 free throws. That wasn't as many as the entire Spurs team!

You found a board of homers like yourself? Awesome, go cry with them.

If you're looking for sympathy, check somewhere between $hit and syphilis in the dictionary. Loser.

Pendejo · 06-18-2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

This violation is being termed an "over and back" on the Mavs board.

BTW, yes Dirk shot 24 free throws. That wasn't as many as the entire Spurs team!

Which is completely wrong dumbass. You have to actually have the ball...cross over the half court line...and then go back over it.

You can run like the Chiefs from a playoffs victory in the front court...establish the hell out of yourself...and then receive the inbounds pass back at the other baseline and you're fine.

That rule is basic.

Rulon Velvet Jones · 06-18-2006, 11:10 PM

It wasn't over and back at the end. You see that same kind of play all the time.

Now, if you want to talk about that last "foul" then we can talk.

I love it when the "players" aren't allowed to "play" and Game 5 of the mother****ing NBA FINALS is decided at the free throw line. So ballsy.

06-18-2006, 10:43 PM	#1204
DarkHorse30 Smith Rules Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,091 Adopt-a-Bronco: wolf pot roast	a "foul" in the last 2 seconds? The NBA is a joke.

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06-18-2006, 10:20 PM	#1201
The Big E Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hermosa Beach Posts: 1,910	I can't believe Dallas lost all three games in Miami. Wade got a lot of generous calls tonight for sure. Who fell down for Dallas when they could have had him trapped on the sidelilne? Was it a flop? If so, very weak. If he just fell down, just bad luck. After Howard did his C-Webb impression, I thought back to the 1976 finals, game 5, at the end of the second OT. Phoenix was behind by one with a second left and had to inbounds it in full court from the baseline. Paul Westphal had the idea to call a timeout that they didn't have, which led to a T. They gave up the point, BUT, because of the T, they were then allowed to throw the ball in from mid-court. Gar Heard then hit one of the greatest shots of all time and sent the game to a third OT. Would the rules today have allowed Dallas to do the same thing tonight? If so, they should have. Did I just age myself? Hey, I was only 13 then and a die-hard Suns fan, so I'm not too ancient.

06-18-2006, 10:40 PM	#1202
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	Yet another screw job by the officials: Wade was established in the front court and then went into the backcourt to catch the in-bounds pass. That is a backcourt violation.

06-18-2006, 10:43 PM	#1205
-Slap- Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 31,895	El mergo chango!

06-18-2006, 10:44 PM	#1207
Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	In before this gets merged into the existing thread. You and Bob can cry on each others shoulders.

06-18-2006, 10:47 PM	#1208
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	He wasn't even fouled. All night. Wade was getting the call when Dallas breathed on him. There's some home cookin' going on when ONE PLAYER gets to the line as many times as the entire other team.

06-18-2006, 10:50 PM	#1210
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	** me. Gutty performance by Dallas tonight. Mental mistakes did them in. It's amazing to see that Wade as many FTs as the entire Mavericks team. I don't think Dallas shot a single one in the 3rd quarter. Now, I don't like to call out the refs as I feel that's a crutch - but there's some friggin' in the riggin'. You can say that Miami shot so many because they were the aggressor, but that wouldn't apply in this game. Dallas was taking it as hard as Miami was. Homecooking, preferential treatment, whatever. I don't know what it is exactly, but there's some bull** going down in the NBA. It's not just in the series. It's running rampant and looks to get worse unless someone calls them out on the inconsistency (paging Cuban's blog, paging Mark Cuban's blog). The final timeout called by Howard (or whatever it is that happened) might not have made that much of a difference. I know people will say that that error did them in, but really - were they going to score with the 1.9 left? It was unlikely. Well, back to Dallas. I think the team will get a huge boost from coming home and maybe get a bit of the home cooking. I think Dallas blows them out big in Game 6 to force a showdown for Thursday. The absence of Stack hurt a bit tonight as the bench didn't come up as big as was needed (though Quis did play well in his time covering Wade). I can't believe the playoffs have been going on for almost 2 months now and amount to about an additional 25% of play. I'm a young lad and have had about 4 heart attacks in that time.

06-18-2006, 10:50 PM	#1211
DarkHorse30 Smith Rules Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,091 Adopt-a-Bronco: wolf pot roast	don't really care who wins. I hate Dallas nearly as much as any team.....but stern has turned the NBA into a laughing stock. Rules shmoolz.....let's get a bunch of retirees reffing a game so social security can be saved......whee.

06-18-2006, 10:50 PM	#1212
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	The game was called tight all night Boob, because of the hack job Stackhouse gave Shaq. Your not even remotely in touch with reality. I like both teams, but the team that wins game 5... Now you have conflicting history. Since 2-3-2 only two teams have overcome an 0-2 basement. I can't wait for the talking heads at ESPN to splain this one away. I still give the edge to Dallas, but just barely.

06-18-2006, 10:51 PM	#1213
RhymesayersDU Go Broncos, Nuggets, Rox GANGNAM STYLE Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Back In The 303! Posts: 14,813 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ty Lawson	I'd actually want to look that call up, because it looked fishy to me at first. Yes, you're allowed to catch the ball in the backcourt on an out of bounds, but Wade jumped from the front court and caught the ball in the backcourt. Not sure if that matters, but for argument's sake, if you were to catch the ball in the front court on an out of bounds play, you wouldn't be able to dribble it into the backcourt. I don't know for sure on this, I think Wade was allowed to catch the ball in mid-air like he did because what matters is the ball, not the player, and the ball was never in the frount court, technically. But again, I'd have to look it up.

06-18-2006, 11:03 PM	#1222
Bob's your Information Minister Chiefs > Broncos Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,920 Adopt-a-Bronco: CHRIS KUPER!!!	This violation is being termed an "over and back" on the Mavs board. BTW, yes Dirk shot 24 free throws. That wasn't as many as the entire Spurs team!

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06-18-2006, 11:10 PM	#1225
Rulon Velvet Jones You're not really here. Tight Butthole Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 6,597 Adopt-a-Bronco: Rent-A-DC	It wasn't over and back at the end. You see that same kind of play all the time. Now, if you want to talk about that last "foul" then we can talk. I love it when the "players" aren't allowed to "play" and Game 5 of the mother****ing NBA FINALS is decided at the free throw line. So ballsy.