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Old 05-09-2006, 03:00 PM   #26
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I'll count how many times the Spurs pull the "who, me?" foul conference after fouls and we'll compare them after the game. Maybe I'll also tabulate Ginobili and Bowen flops.
Very, very true. The Spurs are the kings at teh "Who me?" shrugging of the shoulders antic. I don't want to even talk about Flopu Ginosebly...I'll start having flashbacks to the series against the Nuggs last year.
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Very, very true. The Spurs are the kings at teh "Who me?" shrugging of the shoulders antic. I don't want to even talk about Flopu Ginosebly...I'll start having flashbacks to the series against the Nuggs last year.

so true.

But if the Mavs are the superior team, they will win. IF not then they will lost, pretty simple.
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so true.

But if the Mavs are the superior team, they will win. IF not then they will lost, pretty simple.
Also very true. The better team will win that series. I am actually rooting for Dallas to win that match-up. Unfortunately for the western conference, I don't feel like anyone can beat the Pistons in a best of 7 this year. They are cruising right now and woke up after game one in their first series.
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I'll count how many times the Spurs pull the "who, me?" foul conference after fouls and we'll compare them after the game. Maybe I'll also tabulate Ginobili and Bowen flops.
Umm, lets do keep a running tally because every star in the league and most of the players b**** about the calls. TD does it, Dirk does it, LeBron does it, Kobe does it and others as well. It amazing how people discredit the Spurs, you know, who gives a shi*. I'm tired of people complaining about the way they play and complain about the calls. I guess that what happens when every team out West is jealous and envious of their position.

Like I said, I respect the heck out of Dallas and they are even w/ San Antonio but to undermine the Spurs and complain about the officiating is just flat out laughable to me.

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so true.

But if the Mavs are the superior team, they will win. IF not then they will lost, pretty simple.
Yep. The best team always (or very close to it) wins a 7 game series. The Suns-Lakers series showed that, as the Lakers scrubs returned to form as the series unfolded.

I don't think the Spurs complain any more than anyone else, but they really are annoying, so I understand the gripes. They also bore me to tears, despite their excellence. They're kind of like the "Up With People" team of the NBA, and they really could use some edginess.

Still, it's hard to see them losing before the finals, unfortunately. The NBA probably doesn't want them there because they aren't exactly ratings-grabbers.
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the cavs need to start salvaging some respect here pretty soon.
I think the Peter Principle is in effect. They're in over their heads now.
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Yep. The best team always (or very close to it) wins a 7 game series. The Suns-Lakers series showed that, as the Lakers scrubs returned to form as the series unfolded.

I don't think the Spurs complain any more than anyone else, but they really are annoying, so I understand the gripes. They also bore me to tears, despite their excellence. They're kind of like the "Up With People" team of the NBA, and they really could use some edginess.

Still, it's hard to see them losing before the finals, unfortunately. The NBA probably doesn't want them there because they aren't exactly ratings-grabbers.

Thats part of the reason i want them to lose, they are boring, and plus the Suns have a better shot at beating the Mavs if they get that far. JMO

But even vs the Spurs, maybe the Suns stand a chance. They pushed it to 7 games last year....but that was with all of our all stars.

Cavs cant beat the Pistons unless Detroit takes a game off, just no chance.
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Ginobili's flopping is beyond irritating, but ultimately the better team will win the series.
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Thats part of the reason i want them to lose, they are boring, and plus the Suns have a better shot at beating the Mavs if they get that far. JMO

But even vs the Spurs, maybe the Suns stand a chance. They pushed it to 7 games last year....but that was with all of our all stars.

Cavs cant beat the Pistons unless Detroit takes a game off, just no chance.
The Suns players sure are fit. I keep thinking they'll run out of gas, and instead they go out and score 130. I can't get my hopes up too high because when I do the rug gets pulled out from under. At least that's my experience over the past 30 years.
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****ing A the Suns can shoot.

Did they miss a 3 or a free throw the entire night?

The hideous thing is the Clippers played pretty well offensively, Brand and Cassell both got off but the suns were just machines from 3 point land.

Ok new defensive strategy called for, let Nash score, stop everyone else. Everytime Nash drove we double teamed him and they passed around for the wide open 3.

That **** can't happen again. The Suns just don't miss enough shots.

On the other hand a team of jump shooters has to go cold sometimes....right?

Offensively we need to keep doing what we were doing, pound it in, the Suns have no answer for Brand.

1 game but I'm afraid now.
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Mavs are kicking the Spurs tail right now. The Mavs deserve to be up by this much and the Spurs are playing lousy.

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big win here for the mavs.

splitting it in SA is very good!
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big win here for the mavs.

splitting it in SA is very good!

Not just a big win, but a resounding complete victory. 22 points on SA's own floor. A 20 point lead was maintained from midway through the second quarter on. SA is beat up and beat down after that one. I cant say that Im disappointed that Ginobili hurt himself with his signature lane-basket-flail.

SA has the indominable will of a champion. There is no doubt that they will be scrapping to the death in game 3. I expect a full 7 games.

Im proud of my Mavs though. Great game all-around. Avery made some adjustments that caught Pop off-guard. Devin Harris had a free pass to the rim when the pick n roll defenders hung with Dirk. He found a way to exploit their defensive rotation on the pick n roll. Let Dirk be a decoy, and let your lightning-fast guard take and make layups.

Josh Howard had a nice game as well. He needs to start making smart choices with the ball. He freewheels a bit too much and gets blinders on in the fast break, but he was tenacious and played better defense on Ginobili than anyone did on him. As I mentioned before the series, Josh is the X factor. Unfortunately, Josh has been very inconsistent over his career. He'll have a 27/9 night and follow it up with a 12/5 night. He needs to start playing smart and balanced. When he does, Dirk will have a true #2 star player and you can start wrapping up division championships.

Devin Harris repeated a performance that he had in the Mavs/Spurs first matchup of the season where he got free trips to the rim in the 4th (as the defense focused on Dirk), and Dallas won by 20. Devin is a special talent with a special future. He's got all-star skills. Avery called him the best defender on the team earlier in the season. Couple that with a nearly unstoppable offensive game and you have an al-star point guard. With he, Howard, Daniels, Diop, and Mbenga growing up alongside young vets Dirk and Terry, Dallas is looking solid for years to come.

Dirk had a great all-around game. He played excellent transition defense and guarded the perimeter very well. He rebounded well and shot an efficient 7-11 for 21 points. His encouragement and challenge of his teammates to rise to the occasion obviously worked. Way to go Dirk. Awesome game.

Stackhouse had a nice bounce back game. I cringed every time that he tossed up a corner three, but for once this season they went in more often then they didnt. I hate to see Stack take jumpers. There is nothing worse to see in a Mavs game because there are usually three guys on the floor who can shoot jumpers much more efficiently than Stack can. He should be going to the rim every time he gets the ball. Stack is tough though. He's a fierce competitor, and he comes to play in big games. Im glad hes a Mav.

See ya in game 3 Spurs fans. Home court now belongs to Dallas. Can they hold it? Can the Spurs stay healthy? How will Pop adjust to Avery's point guard change? Will Ginobili come out of Howard's shadow? If Pop tracks the guards, who will cover Dirk? Will the Mavs centers continue with the foul trouble? Who will win the battle of I-35?

What a great series this one should be. The powers of the west slugging it out toe to toe. Duncan and Dirk, Ginobili and Howard, Pop and Avery, Parker and Harris, Bench v. Bench. I cant wait for game 3.
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I see that the Steve Javie/Nick Van Exel feud rages on to this day.
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I see that the Steve Javie/Nick Van Exel feud rages on to this day.
Yep. NVE has always had those problems. I dont like his reaction to the non-call. You dont do that to your team in a game that important.

He's a bit-part player. He's not going to get 3 free throws on a 50/50 call in what amounts to the Western Finals. I felt bad for him after the ejection, because at that point it became official that Van Exel has lost the ability to have a significant impact on the game. He will forever be resigned to 0-10 minute per game performances. I know that he has had some bad seasons before this one, but it's saddening to me to see a guy's career go down the tubes.
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Yep. NVE has always had those problems. I dont like his reaction to the non-call. You dont do that to your team in a game that important.

He's a bit-part player. He's not going to get 3 free throws on a 50/50 call in what amounts to the Western Finals. I felt bad for him after the ejection, because at that point it became official that Van Exel has lost the ability to have a significant impact on the game. He will forever be resigned to 0-10 minute per game performances. I know that he has had some bad seasons before this one, but it's saddening to me to see a guy's career go down the tubes.

You may have good memories of NVE because when he was w/ the Mavs, he was a solid player for you guys but he's been brutal this year and its amazing that a coach like Pop still goes to him instead of Beno, who has played better when given the chance in the playoffs.

I'm glad he got tossed last night because he's not the player he once was. He's slow out there and his elbow has given him problems w/ his shooting.
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Not just a big win, but a resounding complete victory. 22 points on SA's own floor. A 20 point lead was maintained from midway through the second quarter on. SA is beat up and beat down after that one. I cant say that Im disappointed that Ginobili hurt himself with his signature lane-basket-flail.

SA has the indominable will of a champion. There is no doubt that they will be scrapping to the death in game 3. I expect a full 7 games.

Im proud of my Mavs though. Great game all-around. Avery made some adjustments that caught Pop off-guard. Devin Harris had a free pass to the rim when the pick n roll defenders hung with Dirk. He found a way to exploit their defensive rotation on the pick n roll. Let Dirk be a decoy, and let your lightning-fast guard take and make layups.

Josh Howard had a nice game as well. He needs to start making smart choices with the ball. He freewheels a bit too much and gets blinders on in the fast break, but he was tenacious and played better defense on Ginobili than anyone did on him. As I mentioned before the series, Josh is the X factor. Unfortunately, Josh has been very inconsistent over his career. He'll have a 27/9 night and follow it up with a 12/5 night. He needs to start playing smart and balanced. When he does, Dirk will have a true #2 star player and you can start wrapping up division championships.

Devin Harris repeated a performance that he had in the Mavs/Spurs first matchup of the season where he got free trips to the rim in the 4th (as the defense focused on Dirk), and Dallas won by 20. Devin is a special talent with a special future. He's got all-star skills. Avery called him the best defender on the team earlier in the season. Couple that with a nearly unstoppable offensive game and you have an al-star point guard. With he, Howard, Daniels, Diop, and Mbenga growing up alongside young vets Dirk and Terry, Dallas is looking solid for years to come.

Dirk had a great all-around game. He played excellent transition defense and guarded the perimeter very well. He rebounded well and shot an efficient 7-11 for 21 points. His encouragement and challenge of his teammates to rise to the occasion obviously worked. Way to go Dirk. Awesome game.

Stackhouse had a nice bounce back game. I cringed every time that he tossed up a corner three, but for once this season they went in more often then they didnt. I hate to see Stack take jumpers. There is nothing worse to see in a Mavs game because there are usually three guys on the floor who can shoot jumpers much more efficiently than Stack can. He should be going to the rim every time he gets the ball. Stack is tough though. He's a fierce competitor, and he comes to play in big games. Im glad hes a Mav.

See ya in game 3 Spurs fans. Home court now belongs to Dallas. Can they hold it? Can the Spurs stay healthy? How will Pop adjust to Avery's point guard change? Will Ginobili come out of Howard's shadow? If Pop tracks the guards, who will cover Dirk? Will the Mavs centers continue with the foul trouble? Who will win the battle of I-35?

What a great series this one should be. The powers of the west slugging it out toe to toe. Duncan and Dirk, Ginobili and Howard, Pop and Avery, Parker and Harris, Bench v. Bench. I cant wait for game 3.
I think the Mavs suprised the Spurs and its coaching staff when they started Harris instead of AG and give credit to AJ for that one, who has learned from his mentor, Popovich, very well.

Pop remember last year started Barry to jumpstart the Spurs in the first round against the Nuggs and AJ wanted more speed and more playmaking out there and they jumped on them from the get go.

Josh Howard is a matchup nigthmare for the Spurs, he is a younger version to me of Shawn Marion, just fills up the stat sheet. I saw him play a lot in Wake Forest and knew he was going to be special in the league. A good kid that works hard.

You can make all the excuses you want if you are a Spurs fan, and I'm a big one, but I wont. I dont care if it was their 3rd game in 5 days or whatever. Truth of the matter is you have to come out and play and match the other team's energy and they didnt. This game was over for all intent and purposes when the Mavs went ahead 7-1.

It was embarrassing for a defending champ to play w/ no urgency or no heart. They looked lost out there and the Mavs made them look like a JV team. They were beating them to the boards and I swear if that the Spurs are the worst defensive rebounding team in the playoffs right now. They allow so many offensive boards it has to be driving Pop crazy.

If the Spurs dont match the Mavs energy, this is going to a hell of a series for the Spurs.
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Josh Howard is a matchup nigthmare for the Spurs, he is a younger version to me of Shawn Marion, just fills up the stat sheet. I saw him play a lot in Wake Forest and knew he was going to be special in the league. A good kid that works hard.
I've always called Josh Rod-Pippen because he plays like a mixture of the two. He's got the Pippen perimeter/attack game and the tenacious mindset on the boards and on defense like Rodman. He's even got the Rodman attitude. He just needs to get his basketball head about him and he'll be the #2 star that Dallas needs.


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It was embarrassing for a defending champ to play w/ no urgency or no heart. They looked lost out there and the Mavs made them look like a JV team. They were beating them to the boards and I swear if that the Spurs are the worst defensive rebounding team in the playoffs right now. They allow so many offensive boards it has to be driving Pop crazy.
If the Spurs dont match the Mavs energy, this is going to a hell of a series for the Spurs.
Dallas is starting to exploit the Spurs' commitment to force the ball away from Dirk. Dallas' strength all season was their efficient offense. The story of this series is not about Dallas' defense, Duncan scoring, or Dirk Nowitzki scoring points. It's about Dallas offensive efficiency and whether or not the Spurs defense will make it inefficient. The Spurs eeked out a game 1 victory by making things very difficult for Dallas in the last 4-5 minutes. Dallas didnt execute well, and ultimately lost the game because they couldnt execute on the Spurs' defense on the last play. It's a classic battle: great half court defense vs. great half court offense.

The Spurs collective age has shown in this series. You mentioned energy, and I think that what we are really talking about is the Mavs' youngsters making their way against the Spurs' veterans. Ginobili looks old and beat up. Finley looks old. Van Exel is old. Barry is old. Bowen is old. Duncan's old. On the converse, Dallas' key contributors are all young in comparison (exept for Stack). Dallas should have the physical edge in a long series.

I think that SA is asking an awful lot of Duncan right now. They are asking him to dominate offensively, dominate the glass against a great rebounding team, and to keep Dallas' guards out of the paint on rotations. He is also old, and I dont see him being able to play at that level for an entire series with Dallas.

Game 3 will be very important. If Dallas pulls out another complete victory, it could break the Spurs' will. If SA wins, they regain homecourt and keep Dallas from taking advantage of the opportunity that they created for themselves. That would shift momentum again with a big game 4 on the way.
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Dallas is starting to exploit the Spurs' commitment to force the ball away from Dirk. Dallas' strength all season was their efficient offense. The story of this series is not about Dallas' defense, Duncan scoring, or Dirk Nowitzki scoring points. It's about Dallas offensive efficiency and whether or not the Spurs defense will make it inefficient. The Spurs eeked out a game 1 victory by making things very difficult for Dallas in the last 4-5 minutes. Dallas didnt execute well, and ultimately lost the game because they couldnt execute on the Spurs' defense on the last play. It's a classic battle: great half court defense vs. great half court offense.

The Spurs collective age has shown in this series. You mentioned energy, and I think that what we are really talking about is the Mavs' youngsters making their way against the Spurs' veterans. Ginobili looks old and beat up. Finley looks old. Van Exel is old. Barry is old. Bowen is old. Duncan's old. On the converse, Dallas' key contributors are all young in comparison (exept for Stack). Dallas should have the physical edge in a long series.
Thats the one thing that has become obvious in this year's playoffs. The Spurs age is starting to show. I dont think its Manu's age, he's still in his prime but his basketball body has a lot of mileage on it from playing International ball and deep into the playoffs over the years. I think Manu is tired but thats still not an excuse for his inconsistent play. I think he's trying too hard to make things happen out there. Bowen, I hate to say it, has played much better on offense in the playoffs than on defense and I cant believe I'm saying that. Finley has played well when given the chance and I think he's been a savior off the bench. TD is a legend and is trying his best to carry them on his back. TP hasnt shown up either but its still 1-1 and I hope SA can squeak 1 out in Dallas. Its good that the Spurs willl have three days off between games before game 3 on Saturday.

AJ has impacted the Mavs team in a tremendous way. He has them playing Spurs ball, which is defense and efficient ball movement on offense. Its now how many points you scored but how you score them, be it w/ movement and offensive rebounding. The Mavs have done that in this series.

This is no doubt the big boys series out West and its laughable to me to see JV teams (compared to the Spurs and Mavs) battle in the other spot. The Clipps and Suns are good teams but they are not the Spurs and Mavs and the winner of this series will win the West.
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Yep. NVE has always had those problems. I dont like his reaction to the non-call. You dont do that to your team in a game that important.
If it wasn't that, Javie would have found another reason to run Van Exel. Those two have been at each other going all the way back to Nick The Quit's Denver days.

Joey Crawford has the worst case of rabbit ears in the NBA, but Steve Javie holds grudges forever. Javie had a running feud with Dan Issel until Issel's coaching days came to an end. It was a mortal lock that any game in which Issel & Javie were involved, Issel was getting at least one technical and more than likely getting tossed. Here's a story that Issel told after he was out of coaching:

He and Javie were talking during a timeout and being cordial for a change. Issel asked Javie why he didn't like Nick Van Exel. Javie responded, "Nick Van Exel is a miserable human being." Issel laughed and jokingly said, "I think you're a miserable human being." Javie hit him with a technical and Issel went absolutely ballistic. Needless to say, Issel was quickly assessed his 2nd technical and was ejected.
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This is no doubt the big boys series out West and its laughable to me to see JV teams (compared to the Spurs and Mavs) battle in the other spot. The Clipps and Suns are good teams but they are not the Spurs and Mavs and the winner of this series will win the West.
These guys know that too. You can see it on their faces. They know that this series is a trip to the finals. I see the winner of this series coming out with extreme momentum and destroying the Suns/Clippers within 5 games. Both the Spurs and the Mavs are too complete for those teams. Inside, outside, offensively, defensively, they are both too much. In the playoffs, it's not about how many points you scored in the reg. season. Its about how efficiently you score. I believe that both Dallas and SA are more efficient offensive teams than PHX and LAC. Ideally, the Clips would have a better shot at beating one of those teams, but their post players and defense arent doing enough to beat the Suns. That doesnt speak well for them in a matchup against Dallas or SA.
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I will watch with much pleasure as the Spurs once again take out the Mavs in the playoffs. Maybe the Mavericks should make second round T-shirts to commemorate the achievement.

Dirk will be exposed again as a one trick jump shooter in the playoffs. We can only hope he throws another hissy fit on the court and starts yelling at Jet Terry. Because as we all know, Dirk does not handle the pressure of the playoffs very well.
He looked just fine to me in game two.

That series is going 6 or 7 games, guaranteed. Probably 7.
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And since this is the NBA playoffs thread, does anyone here see the Pistons getting beat by anyone? Anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?....
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