The "nutroots" of the Democratic Party - The Orange Mane

W*GS · 05-06-2006, 05:51 PM

Former Clinton spokesman Mike McCurry made the following observation regarding the nutroots:

“You can see in blog commentary lots of great huffing and puffing that will get you to exactly 38% of the electorate. I don't see a lot of useful dialogue on how to get winning coalitions together that can win more than 50% in closely contested elections. As Juliet says, that is one reason we have gerrymandered safe districts and few contested races. It's also why we have lots of feel-good rants on the web and not enough dialogue about how to win close elections. I take this as a sign that I am getting old, but also that some newcomers in politics will need to get knocked around and lose a few before they understand that winning politics is not as easy as they think.”

Can we think of anyone here who's a Democratic Party nutroot?

fdf · 05-06-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

Former Clinton spokesman Mike McCurry made the following observation regarding the nutroots:

“You can see in blog commentary lots of great huffing and puffing that will get you to exactly 38% of the electorate. I don't see a lot of useful dialogue on how to get winning coalitions together that can win more than 50% in closely contested elections. As Juliet says, that is one reason we have gerrymandered safe districts and few contested races. It's also why we have lots of feel-good rants on the web and not enough dialogue about how to win close elections. I take this as a sign that I am getting old, but also that some newcomers in politics will need to get knocked around and lose a few before they understand that winning politics is not as easy as they think.”

Can we think of anyone here who's a Democratic Party nutroot?

I cannot imagine who you might be referring to.

Spider · 05-06-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fdf

I cannot imagine who you might be referring to.

oh Brother , you have no room at all to talk , bush could cornhole a 14 year old boy on the whitehouse lawn , and you would tell us , Bush is showing the terrorist what will happen to Moussaui .......

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 05-07-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by §Pide®

oh Brother , you have no room at all to talk , bush could cornhole a 14 year old boy on the whitehouse lawn , and you would tell us , Bush is showing the terrorist what will happen to Moussaui .......

W*GS' "argument" is the same as that of every other desperate spin monkey still trying to prop up BushCo: 2/3 of Americans are "nutroots."

Must be tough to be a bush supporter nowadays - you have to ignore virtually every poll that comes down the pike (particularly the polls that point to a clear majority who say they trust Dems more than repugs.)

W*GS · 05-07-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

W*GS' "argument" is the same as that of every other desperate spin monkey still trying to prop up BushCo: 2/3 of Americans are "nutroots."

Ahhh, no. Far fewer than 2/3 of Americans agree with your particular takes on Bush, Republicans, conservatives and so on.

Then again, just like being in the minority doesn't mean being wrong, being in the majority doesn't mean being right. But such "subtleties" are far far beyond you.

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Must be tough to be a bush supporter nowadays - you have to ignore virtually every poll that comes down the pike (particularly the polls that point to a clear majority who say they trust Dems more than repugs.)

I don't trust either Democraps or Repukelicans.

It's safe to say that if the American people were given a dose of you in full rant, and believed you to be representative of the Democratic Party, well, you'd be known as the dork who killed your own party.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 05-07-2006, 08:24 PM

The O"W*GS Factor spends the vast majority of his time here attacking the party that is out of power and either defending or turning a blind eye to the frauds and felonies of the party that controls all three branches of government.

But he's not a repub or a BushCo apologist!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 05-07-2006, 08:37 PM

Democratic Party Plans Probes Of Administration If It Wins the House

Confident Democrats Lay Out Agenda

Party Plans Probes Of Administration If It Wins the House

Democratic leaders, increasingly confident they will seize control of the House in November, are laying plans for a legislative blitz during their first week in power that would raise the minimum wage, roll back parts of the Republican prescription drug law, implement homeland security measures and reinstate lapsed budget deficit controls.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said in an interview last week that a Democratic House would launch a series of investigations of the Bush administration, beginning with the White House's first-term energy task force and probably including the use of intelligence in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. Pelosi denied Republican allegations that a Democratic House would move quickly to impeach President Bush. But, she said of the planned investigations, "You never know where it leads to."

In recent days, Democratic confidence has been buoyed by a series of polls indicating that not only is Bush growing increasingly unpopular, so are Republicans in Congress. An Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Friday found that 33 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, the lowest rating of his presidency. And only 25 percent approves of the job Congress is doing, a figure comparable to congressional approval ratings before the 1994 elections that swept Republicans to power.

The AP-Ipsos poll found that 51 percent of Americans say they want Democrats rather than Republicans to control Congress. Only 34 percent favor Republican control.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050601336.html

W*GS · 05-07-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

The O"W*GS Factor spends the vast majority of his time here attacking the party that is out of power

Because you and the other loudmouth left-wingers here certainly won't. And the evils of your ideology certainly need attacking - as they say, for evil to triumph, men of good will must do nothing.

You're just mad that I pick on your poor Party, what with it being weak and on the ropes, correct?

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

and either defending or turning a blind eye to the frauds and felonies of the party that controls all three branches of government.

Sigh.

If I don't join in with the singing/ranting of your choir, I'm the Enemy, right?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 05-07-2006, 09:04 PM

Defeating The O'W*GS Factor with the facts is just too easy...

Conservative ire drives a new low: Approval ratings plunge for Bush, Republican Party

WASHINGTON -- Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track.

The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president's term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized.

This week's survey of 1,000 adults, including 865 registered voters, found:

# Just 33 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, the lowest of his presidency. That compares with 36 percent approval in early April. Forty-five percent of self-described conservatives now disapprove of the president.

# Just one-fourth of the public approves of the job Congress is doing, a new low in AP-Ipsos polling and down 5 percentage points since last month. A whopping 65 percent of conservatives disapprove of Congress.

A majority of Americans say they want Democrats rather than Republicans to control Congress (51 percent to 34 percent). That's the largest gap recorded by AP-Ipsos since Bush took office. Even 31 percent of conservatives want Republicans out of power.

The souring of the nation's mood has accelerated the past three months, with the percentage of people describing the nation on the wrong track rising 12 points to a new high of 73 percent. Six of 10 conservatives say America is headed in the wrong direction.

Republican strategists said the party stands to lose control of Congress unless the environment changes unexpectedly.

"It's going to take some events of significance to turn this around," GOP pollster Whit Ayres said. "I don't think at this point you can talk your way back from those sorts of ratings."

He said the party needs progress in Iraq and action in Congress on immigration, lobbying reform, and tax cuts.

"Those things would give the country a sense that Washington has heard the people and is responding in a way that will give conservatives a sense that their concerns are being addressed," Ayres said.

Conservative voters blame the White House and Congress for runaway government spending, illegal immigration, and lack of action on social issues such as a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage. Those concerns come on top of public worries about Iraq, the economy, and gasoline prices.

"I disapprove of a lot of the stuff he's doing," said Mark Rauzi, a conservative from Gillespie, Ill. "This war was a big boo boo and he won't admit he did wrong."

Hardline conservatives are not likely to vote Democratic in the fall, but it would be just as devastating to the Republicans if conservatives lose their enthusiasm and stay home on Election Day.

AP-Ipsos polling suggests that Democrats may be winning the motivation game. Fewer voters today than in 2004 call themselves Republicans or Republican-leaning.

Democratic numbers are the same or better since 2004.

Bush's strong suit continues to be his handling of foreign policy and terrorism, an area in which he modestly improved his ratings since April. Still, a majority of Americans disapprove of his performance on both fronts.

It gets worse. Only 23 percent of the public approve of the way the president is handling gasoline prices, the lowest in AP-Ipsos polling. Those who strongly disapprove outnumber those who strongly approve by 55 percent to 8 percent.

Nearly half of the public strongly disapproves of Bush, a huge jump from his 5 percent strong disapproval rating in 2002. The poll has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

Of all Republicans, nearly 30 percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing, including 13 percent who feel strongly about it.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...ublican_party/

W*GS · 05-08-2006, 06:54 AM

Sigh.

If I don't join in with the singing/ranting of your choir, I'm the Enemy, right?

05-06-2006, 05:51 PM	#1
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	The "nutroots" of the Democratic Party Former Clinton spokesman Mike McCurry made the following observation regarding the nutroots: “You can see in blog commentary lots of great huffing and puffing that will get you to exactly 38% of the electorate. I don't see a lot of useful dialogue on how to get winning coalitions together that can win more than 50% in closely contested elections. As Juliet says, that is one reason we have gerrymandered safe districts and few contested races. It's also why we have lots of feel-good rants on the web and not enough dialogue about how to win close elections. I take this as a sign that I am getting old, but also that some newcomers in politics will need to get knocked around and lose a few before they understand that winning politics is not as easy as they think.” Can we think of anyone here who's a Democratic Party nutroot?

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05-07-2006, 08:24 PM	#6
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	The O"WGS Factor spends the vast majority of his time here attacking the party that is out of power and either defending or turning a blind eye to the frauds and felonies of the party that controls all three branches of government. But he's not* a repub or a BushCo apologist!

05-07-2006, 08:37 PM	#7
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Democratic Party Plans Probes Of Administration If It Wins the House Confident Democrats Lay Out Agenda Party Plans Probes Of Administration If It Wins the House Democratic leaders, increasingly confident they will seize control of the House in November, are laying plans for a legislative blitz during their first week in power that would raise the minimum wage, roll back parts of the Republican prescription drug law, implement homeland security measures and reinstate lapsed budget deficit controls. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said in an interview last week that a Democratic House would launch a series of investigations of the Bush administration, beginning with the White House's first-term energy task force and probably including the use of intelligence in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. Pelosi denied Republican allegations that a Democratic House would move quickly to impeach President Bush. But, she said of the planned investigations, "You never know where it leads to." In recent days, Democratic confidence has been buoyed by a series of polls indicating that not only is Bush growing increasingly unpopular, so are Republicans in Congress. An Associated Press-Ipsos poll released Friday found that 33 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, the lowest rating of his presidency. And only 25 percent approves of the job Congress is doing, a figure comparable to congressional approval ratings before the 1994 elections that swept Republicans to power. The AP-Ipsos poll found that 51 percent of Americans say they want Democrats rather than Republicans to control Congress. Only 34 percent favor Republican control. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050601336.html

05-07-2006, 09:04 PM	#9
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Defeating The O'WGS Factor with the facts is just too easy... Conservative ire drives a new low: Approval ratings plunge for Bush, Republican Party* WASHINGTON -- Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre. Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track. The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president's term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized. This week's survey of 1,000 adults, including 865 registered voters, found: # Just 33 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, the lowest of his presidency. That compares with 36 percent approval in early April. Forty-five percent of self-described conservatives now disapprove of the president. # Just one-fourth of the public approves of the job Congress is doing, a new low in AP-Ipsos polling and down 5 percentage points since last month. A whopping 65 percent of conservatives disapprove of Congress. A majority of Americans say they want Democrats rather than Republicans to control Congress (51 percent to 34 percent). That's the largest gap recorded by AP-Ipsos since Bush took office. Even 31 percent of conservatives want Republicans out of power. The souring of the nation's mood has accelerated the past three months, with the percentage of people describing the nation on the wrong track rising 12 points to a new high of 73 percent. Six of 10 conservatives say America is headed in the wrong direction. Republican strategists said the party stands to lose control of Congress unless the environment changes unexpectedly. "It's going to take some events of significance to turn this around," GOP pollster Whit Ayres said. "I don't think at this point you can talk your way back from those sorts of ratings." He said the party needs progress in Iraq and action in Congress on immigration, lobbying reform, and tax cuts. "Those things would give the country a sense that Washington has heard the people and is responding in a way that will give conservatives a sense that their concerns are being addressed," Ayres said. Conservative voters blame the White House and Congress for runaway government spending, illegal immigration, and lack of action on social issues such as a constitutional amendment outlawing gay marriage. Those concerns come on top of public worries about Iraq, the economy, and gasoline prices. "I disapprove of a lot of the stuff he's doing," said Mark Rauzi, a conservative from Gillespie, Ill. "This war was a big boo boo and he won't admit he did wrong." Hardline conservatives are not likely to vote Democratic in the fall, but it would be just as devastating to the Republicans if conservatives lose their enthusiasm and stay home on Election Day. AP-Ipsos polling suggests that Democrats may be winning the motivation game. Fewer voters today than in 2004 call themselves Republicans or Republican-leaning. Democratic numbers are the same or better since 2004. Bush's strong suit continues to be his handling of foreign policy and terrorism, an area in which he modestly improved his ratings since April. Still, a majority of Americans disapprove of his performance on both fronts. It gets worse. Only 23 percent of the public approve of the way the president is handling gasoline prices, the lowest in AP-Ipsos polling. Those who strongly disapprove outnumber those who strongly approve by 55 percent to 8 percent. Nearly half of the public strongly disapproves of Bush, a huge jump from his 5 percent strong disapproval rating in 2002. The poll has a margin of error of 3 percentage points. Of all Republicans, nearly 30 percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing, including 13 percent who feel strongly about it. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...ublican_party/

05-08-2006, 06:54 AM	#10
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	Sigh. If I don't join in with the singing/ranting of your choir, I'm the Enemy, right?