Lelie for Justin Smith? I can dream right?

[watermock]

This would make alot of sense, except, *sniff*...Lelie would have to play behind Chad Johnson.

"WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCION SISSY BOY?. MAN UP!" That would be funny watching Marvin Lewis chew his tiny ass out.

Smith wants out of the 3/4 and is very talented. Plays RDE and is still young. Makes too much sense so it wont happen.


Bio:
http://www.bengals.com/team/player.asp?player_id=10
Position: Defensive End
Height: 6-4
Weight: 275
Birthdate: 9/30/1979
College: Missouri
Acquired: D1 '01
Experience: 6


Fifth-year player led the team in sacks (6), and led the defensive line in tackles (92) and solos (59) ... Ranked tied for fourth on the team in tackles ... Moved into fifth place on the Bengals’ all-time sacks list (34).

2005 RECAP: PARTICIPATION: Started every game, including team’s Wild Card playoff vs. Pittsburgh, at LDE ... Had played RDE in his previous seasons ... Extended to 75 his streak of consecutive Bengals starts, the second-longest starting streak on the current roster behind OT Willie Anderson ... His 941 defensive snaps played were 92.8% of the total and ranked second on the team.

HIGHLIGHTS: Tied for line lead Sept. 18 vs. Minnesota with 3 tackles, including 5-yard sack of Daunte Culpepper in third quarter … Led line with 6 tackles Sept. 25 at Chicago … Led the line with 8 tackles Oct. 2 vs. Houston, including a key sack of David Carr on which he forced a fumble that teammate John Thornton recovered at Texans 35, setting up FG for 16-10 final margin … Led the team in solo tackles (6) on Oct. 9 at Jacksonville … Tied for the line lead with 6 tackles Oct. 16 at Tennessee … Led the line in total tackles (7) and solos (6) on Oct. 23 vs. Pittsburgh … Tied for line lead with 6 tackles Nov. 6 at Baltimore … Led line in tackles Nov. 20 vs. Indianapolis with 7, including a shared sack with David Pollack on 6-yard drop of Peyton Manning at the Bengals 29-yard line in first quarter … Led line with season-best 10 tackles Nov. 27 vs. Baltimore, and got credit for a sack when he forced a slide by Kyle Boller for a 2-yard loss in second quarter, helping force a punt ... Also vs. Baltimore, tied for team’s third-best solos total on the season (8) … Led line with 6 tackles (5 solo) in pivotal win Dec. 4 at Pittsburgh, including a 2-yard sack of Ben Roethlisberger on fourth down at Steelers 19 to end Pittsburgh’s last offensive threat … Had 4 tackles and his first pass defensed of season on Dec. 11 vs. Cleveland ... Cleveland performance included a shared sack when he teamed with LB Odell Thurman to drop Charlie Frye for 4-yard loss to Cleveland 22 in second quarter, forcing a punt … Tied for line lead with 5 tackles in division-clinching win Dec. 18 at Detroit … Totaled 4 tackles Dec. 24 vs. Buffalo, including a 7-yard sack of Kelly Holcomb at Bengals 48 late in second quarter … Also had 1 pass defensed vs. Bills … Led line with 6 tackles Jan. 1 at Kansas City ... Had 3 tackles (2 solo) in Wild Card playoff 1-8-06 vs. Pittsburgh.



Smith lets future play out
By GEOFF HOBSON
May 3, 2006

Posted: 1:40 p.m.


Smith: "I’m not a 3-4 guy" (Bengals photo)
If he had to guess, defensive end Justin Smith doesn’t think his future lies with the Bengals after this season.

But no matter, he’ll play 2006 as hard as he played his five previous seasons. And if it goes like those five, he won’t miss a game, he’ll play all three downs, and he’ll be among the top three in tackles and sacks.

“I haven’t heard anything and if they’re not talking this late in the game, probably not,” Smith said Wednesday after one of his offseason workouts. “They feel comfortable with the offense and how it’s going. It’s a business and that’s where their interests lie right now. I’m looking forward to fulfilling my contract and playing well for the team this year. That’s up to them. I’d like to do something, but I can’t sign myself back.”

Not only are the Bengals trying to sign three of their offensive line starters for beyond ’06, but Smith also thinks one of the reasons the Bengals haven’t approached him is because of an evolution to the 3-4 defense.

“I’m not a 3-4 guy,” said the 270-pound Smith, about 20-30 pounds lighter than the typical 3-4 end. “I can do it, but it’s not ideal. If I go on the free-agent market, the team I go to I doubt is going to be a 3-4 team. One of the reasons you go to a 3-4 is for special teams. You don’t have all those hogs up on the D-line, and you can draft smaller, faster guys. I’m just guessing. I could be wrong.

“That’s what is kind of funny. We don’t know anything, either.”

Smith has started 75 straight games, the longest streak on the defense, and he’s gone three straight seasons with at least 90 tackles and five sacks.

“I know when I break down my stats and playing ability, I rank with just about anybody,” Smith said. “I’m not concerned. It’s more about where it will be. That’s the main concern, but all I’m worried about now is this season.”

A starting defensive end is another guy that gets big money. Maybe not as much as a starting offensive tackle, but Smith, too, is most likely staring at an eight-figure bonus.

In the six seasons Grant Wistrom spent as a Rams end, he played in 91 games, had 41.5 sacks, and 462 tackles. In five seasons, Smith has 34 sacks and 414 tackles in 79 games. Project ’06 into the mix and Smith’s numbers are almost dead on if you put him down for 16 games, six sacks, 90 tackles: 94 games, 40 sacks, 504 tackles.

The Seahawks got ripped for overpaying Wistrom in free agency after the ’03 season with $14 million up front in a six-year deal for about $33 million. Who knows? But that just shows you the kind of numbers that are out there.

“I’m not worried about it,” Smith said. “Not my call. It’s their business.”

Smith thought the Bengals had a draft worthy of an established team.

“If you have to draft somebody to play that year, you’re in trouble,” Smith said. “They were drafting for the future and that’s what good teams have to do. When you draft a cornerback in the first round and don’t have to play him a lot until the second year, that’s good. When you draft an offensive lineman in the second round and you don’t have to play him in the first or second year, or whatever they want to do. And you’ve got a defensive end coming in who doesn’t have to play a lot of snaps until maybe next year.”

Smith doesn’t think the drafting of USC end Frostee Rucker was aimed at his situation.

“We need ends,” Smith said. “There’s Robert (Geathers ) and myself. (Jonathan) Fanene is a little big at 295. He can play a lot of positions, but we’ve only really got two pure ends. We needed a new guy. I didn’t take anything with that.”

[Clockwork Orange]

Lelie would be the 3rd receiver in Cincy too.

[ZachKC]

[spdirty]

Heck, we held a gun to the Rams and Packers heads this last weekend, we ought to be able to do it to Cincy.

[watermock]

It was just a wet dream. We couldn't afford him and the Bungles won't trade him this year anyway. I bet he'd like to come to Denver next year if we could find the space. I guess it's wait till next year and a cheaper rookie.

[ZachKC]

I had fun watching Smith play at Mizzou. He is a gamer.

[ludo21]

We need DT help, we have about 10 DE now...

[ro_50]

Hey, he would be their third WR because I'm sure Chris Henry will slip up and get in trouble w/ the law again.

[Broncoman13]

Originally Posted by watermock

This would make alot of sense, except, *sniff*...Lelie would have to play behind Chad Johnson.

"WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCION SISSY BOY?. MAN UP!" That would be funny watching Marvin Lewis chew his tiny ass out.

Smith wants out of the 3/4 and is very talented. Plays RDE and is still young. Makes too much sense so it wont happen.

Chad Jackson, Sneeze, Chris Henry, Kelly Washington... where exactly does Lelie fit in here? He wouldn't be the #1 or #2... So why would Cincy make the trade? Makes sense for us, not them!

[watermock]

Forgot about Washington. Never mind. I just read he was disgruntled.

[spdirty]

Hell, lets just trade him to Washington for their 1st and 2nd round picks next year.

[Atlas]

Send them Lelie and Ecuban or Engleberger for him.

[spdirty]

I dont want to get rid of Ekuban for him.

[watermock]

In a 3/4 they would want a fattie. Lelie, Myers and a conditional maybe. Anyway, it's not going to happen. Not even a rumor, only that he's unhappy that perked my ear.

[The Champ24]

I was thinking Lelie to the Bears for Thomas Jones. It is already known that the bears would like to open up a spot for Cedric Benson and his huge contract & they can definatly use help at reciever. Lelie could go right in and have a chance to be the #1 guy or at worst 1A with Mushin Muhammed. The Broncos on the other hand would add a very nice back to their stable of running backs which are not very deep while being able to keep one more of these young recievers that are all over the roster now.

[Rausch]

Smith grew up here in my home town and is a quality guy. Good person, no off the field problems.

Seeing him go do Denver would be like hearing that Condi Rice blew the Shah of Iran...

[ludo21]

Originally Posted by The Champ24

I was thinking Lelie to the Bears for Thomas Jones. It is already known that the bears would like to open up a spot for Cedric Benson and his huge contract & they can definatly use help at reciever. Lelie could go right in and have a chance to be the #1 guy or at worst 1A with Mushin Muhammed. The Broncos on the other hand would add a very nice back to their stable of running backs which are not very deep while being able to keep one more of these young recievers that are all over the roster now.

Tatum Bell
Dayne
Bell
Cobbs
Sapp

Anyone one of these guys will do fine, so thats a NO to that trade.

[The Champ24]

Originally Posted by ludo21

Tatum Bell
Dayne
Bell
Cobbs
Sapp

Anyone one of these guys will do fine, so thats a NO to that trade.

First off T. Jones is better then all 5 of them. Now I will give you dayne and tatum being solid -to-good. The other three have done nothing to make one think they would be fine if called upon. The only reason they might be all right is because of our dedication to running the football. Thomas Jones would be a beast in our system as he has Speed, Power, moves, good hands, and he is a solid blocker. Not one of the backs on our roster right now has all these traits. All 5 of those running backs are limited in one way or another.

[watermock]

Even Lelie is worth way more than T. Jones.

I don't get this. We have Dayne, Bell, Cobbs, Sapp. Two Bells I guess...

RB isn't a problem. I didn't know we signed Bell yet.

[broncofan]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

Lelie would be the 3rd receiver in Cincy too.

At least. I might put Johnson, Henry, and Houshmanzadeh ahead of him going into camp. Even Antonio Chapman would give him a run for the #4.

[Kaylore]

Not another end. Can we trade for Dante' Stallworth straight up?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Not another end. Can we trade for Dante' Stallworth straight up?

If you want 6 of one or a 1/2 dozen of the other...

[The Champ24]

Originally Posted by Rausch

If you want 6 of one or a 1/2 dozen of the other...

I think stallworth would be a much better fit then lelie. First off it would be addition by subtraction(Getting rid of the attitude). Above that though Stallworths game translates to playing in the slot alot better then Lelie. He is much better going over the middle and taking the 10 yard slant and going to the house with it. I cant seem to remember Lelie ever doing this. For Ashley to be effective he needs to play on the outside where he can go up and get a jump ball over a corner. But lets put it this way The Packers wanted Stallworth and a pick from the saints for Javon and they wouldnt do that. On the other hand we couldnt give Lelie to the packers as they wanted nothing to do with him if that gives people any insight to how the rest of the league views these 2.

[Ballhawk]

Originally Posted by watermock

This would make alot of sense, except, *sniff*...Lelie would have to play behind Chad Johnson.

"WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCION SISSY BOY?. MAN UP!" That would be funny watching Marvin Lewis chew his tiny ass out.

Smith wants out of the 3/4 and is very talented. Plays RDE and is still young. Makes too much sense so it wont happen.


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This is where a three team trade would make sense. NE/Cinn/Denver : Graham/Smith/Lelie.

Cinn needs a TE get Graham
Denver could use more pass rush gets Smith
Ne gets Lelie while they bring Jackson along (Branch also in last year of deal)

Throw some picks in there to make all parties happy and there you go. Makes too much sense to happen.

[Gcver2ver3]

Originally Posted by The Champ24

I was thinking Lelie to the Bears for Thomas Jones. It is already known that the bears would like to open up a spot for Cedric Benson and his huge contract & they can definatly use help at reciever. Lelie could go right in and have a chance to be the #1 guy or at worst 1A with Mushin Muhammed. The Broncos on the other hand would add a very nice back to their stable of running backs which are not very deep while being able to keep one more of these young recievers that are all over the roster now.

good idea.....