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[SactownOrangeSunday]

Ok all I have read on here is stupid stuff about "lets kick all illegals out, or lets throw them in prison". How dumb are people that actually think this is a good idea.

First, I want to say that limiting immigration is a good idea and that I believe building a fence is ok.

But for gods sake, use your heads. If you make illegal immigration a felony, you the citizen has to pay for their food, housing, and other stuff, while they are incarcerated. They get three meals, tv, and a workout room without doing anything and it is costing you money. At least now they are helping out the economy instead of draining it.

Next thing, If you want to stop having illegals come here, help their nations evolve economically so that they dont want to leave. The Mexican government is so dang corrupt its sickening.

Next point for all you pro immigration people, that want to say this country was built on immigration so we should always have it, wake up. This nation was built on slavery and not allowing women to vote also, do you think we should go back to those institutions!!!!! I am so sick and tired of ignorant people that havent studied either history or politics in any way coming tyring to talk about stuff they are fundamentally wrong about. Once and for all the Constitution is a set of guidelines, not a suicide pact that cannot be changed or amended as the situation arises.

By the way...I am pleading with all politically interested people to help my aunt and uncle get their new political discussion board of the ground. As you know they get paid by advertisers and advertisers look at hits, this is going to be a wicked site by the way, I (history undergrad and Master in Government, working on PHD) am going to be a regular blogger to begin discussions on various topics, being opposed by my unlce and aunt who are Democrats. This forum is going to be amazing, I have helped set it up and some of the leading political theorists in the nation have signed on to guest blog, we are talking to Rush Limbaugh about being a guest blogger dont know if it will happen. Anyways I will let you know what the URL is when we get it all up and running next month, help out fellow Bronco fans with a business, its the right thing to do.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by SactownOrangeSunday

...we are talking to Rush Limbaugh about being a guest blogger dont know if it will happen.

Will Rehab Rush be providing the hillbilly heroin too?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by SactownOrangeSunday

Ok all I have read on here is stupid stuff about "lets kick all illegals out, or lets throw them in prison". How dumb are people that actually think this is a good idea.

What a great opening point (calling your opponents in a debate stupid, dumb, etc...)!!!!

But after reading this fantastic header I just couldn't read any further as I'm sure nothing you had to say afterward could top your intro.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by SactownOrangeSunday

Ok all I have read on here is stupid stuff about "lets kick all illegals out, or lets throw them in prison". How dumb are people that actually think this is a good idea.

Yeah how stupid can people be to think throwing a law breaker in Prision is bad ...........

First, I want to say that limiting immigration is a good idea and that I believe building a fence is ok.

Yep make our borders look like berlin , but we dont have a choice , legal imagration is good .........

But for gods sake, use your heads. If you make illegal immigration a felony, you the citizen has to pay for their food, housing, and other stuff, while they are incarcerated. They get three meals, tv, and a workout room without doing anything and it is costing you money. At least now they are helping out the economy instead of draining it.

Speaking of using your head , you may want to give it a shot , we already pay for all of these things now , yeah we do ,see genius go take a look around small towns in arizonia , check ou how many SSI checks and welfare checks are passed out .......

Next thing, If you want to stop having illegals come here, help their nations evolve economically so that they dont want to leave. The Mexican government is so dang corrupt its sickening.

So why dont they march and fight in thier own country to change things ? why should we fix thier problems ?

Next point for all you pro immigration people, that want to say this country was built on immigration so we should always have it, wake up. This nation was built on slavery and not allowing women to vote also, do you think we should go back to those institutions!!!!! I am so sick and tired of ignorant people that havent studied either history or politics in any way coming tyring to talk about stuff they are fundamentally wrong about. Once and for all the Constitution is a set of guidelines, not a suicide pact that cannot be changed or amended as the situation arises.

Point ? Slave owners migrated here from other countries , then they IMPORTED meaning brought in from africa , speaking of being wrong about things , you sure are batting a thousand ...........

By the way...I am pleading with all politically interested people to help my aunt and uncle get their new political discussion board of the ground. As you know they get paid by advertisers and advertisers look at hits, this is going to be a wicked site by the way, I (history undergrad and Master in Government, working on PHD) am going to be a regular blogger to begin discussions on various topics, being opposed by my unlce and aunt who are Democrats. This forum is going to be amazing, I have helped set it up and some of the leading political theorists in the nation have signed on to guest blog, we are talking to Rush Limbaugh about being a guest blogger dont know if it will happen. Anyways I will let you know what the URL is when we get it all up and running next month, help out fellow Bronco fans with a business, its the right thing to do.

I might drop by , as for Rush , the only reason to have him as a bloger is just to say ..........Hey look we have abloger that made more sense high then he does sober ............

[defenseman]

1) Secure the borders
2) Enforce the law,..aka..illegals hit the road.
3) Establish "new" policy if req'd
4) Screw Vincente Fox and Mexico, we are already supporting part of their economy the SOB's.
5) ENSURE, the mexican people (and the rest of the world I might add) understand who the malicious culprit is in this situation, and , it's not us, it's the mexican government.
6) Cut off aide to these bozos down south

I could go on and on, however, copious quantities of monies are already being spent (and lost). IF we are to spend(lose) this kind of money, might as well be for something that sews up the borders and boots the "illegals". ..dman

[Crushaholic]

If we ever get to the point of "rounding up" the illegal immigrants, they won't be in the prison system for very long and will be deported ASAP. However, that won't happen because businesses depend on them too much for cheap labor. The solution is a multistep process.

1) Secure the borders
2) Allow the Social Security Administration to cooperate with INS
3) Fine businesses who knowingly employ illegals
4) Reform welfare so that these people aren't eligible when they are unemployed
5) Encourage a change in Mexican government so that Mexicans can make a decent wage in their own country and have no need to be here.

Pretty simple...

[Spider]

Yep , let those illegals go back to Mexico and take to the streets in protest .......

[defenseman]

Left out the "hammer-time" on the employers of the illegals. Thanks crush...dman

[Hotrod]

I agree with the orginal poster we should forget about deporting or jailing these POS's instead we should take on a shoot to kill approch. I guarantee they would think twice before coming over the border anymore.

[Hotrod]

In the interest of taking the high road and being politically correct. We as a nation and a people have decided to become a nation of p***Ys instead of risking that anyone would dislike us.

[Rascal]

No matter what is done at the border or new laws implemented, nothing will matter if there are still jobs available. Unless the gov't, law enforcement, and companies get serious about employing legals only the lure, and subsequently the illegals, will always be there. You want to stop illegal immigration...eliminate the jobs for them. Kick the people off welfare and have them do those jobs.

[defenseman]

I lean in that direction also Rascal. HOWEVER, if the DEMS/and REPUBS have their way, they'll re-write the law allowing for the ones here to stay and actually be legally employed? Screw that, boot them...dman

[Hotrod]

Originally Posted by Rascal

No matter what is done at the border or new laws implemented, nothing will matter if there are still jobs available. Unless the gov't, law enforcement, and companies get serious about employing legals only the lure, and subsequently the illegals, will always be there. You want to stop illegal immigration...eliminate the jobs for them. Kick the people off welfare and have them do those jobs.

Thats sounds more difficult then my plan of shooting them as they cross over.

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by Hotrod

Thats sounds more difficult then my plan of shooting them as they cross over.

Well teh cost of having a border guarded heavily enough to stop immigration will be a huge drain on our economy (granted Iraq costs more but that doesn't mean that this won't be a big drain on our economy).

[Rascal]

Originally Posted by defenseman

I lean in that direction also Rascal. HOWEVER, if the DEMS/and REPUBS have their way, they'll re-write the law allowing for the ones here to stay and actually be legally employed? Screw that, boot them...dman

If the Dems/Repubs have their way the only lawful citizens would be senators and reps.

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by Rascal

If the Dems/Repubs have their way the only lawful citizens would be senators and reps.

it sure appears that way sometimes now doesn't it...dman

[Spider]

the only way I see to fix things is , study the canidate and the issues , ignore the R and the D , if we had more of the gang of 14 , we wouldnt be in this shít .....and this way would beat the lobbiest , dont pay attention to every TV ad .......your local paper during an election will list the Canidates and where they stand on issues ...........Dont get caught up in wedge issues ............

[Old Dude]

Here's what I think is gonna happen.

The House Bill has already been amended to do away with the felony provision. But the gist of it remains the same. It is an "enforcement-only" bill with no provision for any sort of amnesty, path to citizenship, etc...

It is probably not going to pass in the Senate.

The Senate's version is hopelessly bogged down. And even if they managed to reach some compromise, it wouldn't pass the House.

Deadlock.

Homeland Security will carry out a few more employer raids in the months to come - - and a few thousand more folks will get detained and deported as a result of that. It may have some deterrent value vs. current practices, but mostly it will result in more illegals getting their pay under-the-table. Plus, it will increase tensions in that community, as raid rumors start coming out every day. No one is going to pack up and leave as a result of that, however.

We will see lots of State-level bills introduced all around the country that will attempt to limit any sort of aid to illegal immigrants beyond what is constitutionally or federally required (such as emergency meical treatment and so forth). Almost all of these will pass, though some will go too far and get struck down or invalidated.

This will be a huge issue in the November elections, though moreso in the southwest than the northeast. As a general rule, those wanting more enforcement are going to win. The deadlock will be broken early next year and some version of the House Bill will succeed.

There will be a huge amount of pork-barrel politicking in terms of the so-called wall and other security devices, but appropriations will be made to beef up border security.

The 10-20 million people already here illegally will not be granted any sort of amnesty, but they won't be systematically rounded up, either, except on a small scale, in conjunction with actions against individual businesses.

This will remain a major political issue in 2008, and I see more of the same. But with some increased security and a few highly publicized business crackdowns, the rate of influx should drop somewhat.

But the long and short of it is that for most of those already here, nothing is really going to change. Too many to deport and too many to absorb.

Life goes on.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by SactownOrangeSunday

Ok all I have read on here is stupid stuff about "lets kick all illegals out, or lets throw them in prison". How dumb are people that actually think this is a good idea.

First, I want to say that limiting immigration is a good idea and that I believe building a fence is ok.

But for gods sake, use your heads. If you make illegal immigration a felony, you the citizen has to pay for their food, housing, and other stuff, while they are incarcerated. They get three meals, tv, and a workout room without doing anything and it is costing you money. At least now they are helping out the economy instead of draining it.

Next thing, If you want to stop having illegals come here, help their nations evolve economically so that they dont want to leave. The Mexican government is so dang corrupt its sickening.

Next point for all you pro immigration people, that want to say this country was built on immigration so we should always have it, wake up. This nation was built on slavery and not allowing women to vote also, do you think we should go back to those institutions!!!!! I am so sick and tired of ignorant people that havent studied either history or politics in any way coming tyring to talk about stuff they are fundamentally wrong about. Once and for all the Constitution is a set of guidelines, not a suicide pact that cannot be changed or amended as the situation arises.

By the way...I am pleading with all politically interested people to help my aunt and uncle get their new political discussion board of the ground. As you know they get paid by advertisers and advertisers look at hits, this is going to be a wicked site by the way, I (history undergrad and Master in Government, working on PHD) am going to be a regular blogger to begin discussions on various topics, being opposed by my unlce and aunt who are Democrats. This forum is going to be amazing, I have helped set it up and some of the leading political theorists in the nation have signed on to guest blog, we are talking to Rush Limbaugh about being a guest blogger dont know if it will happen. Anyways I will let you know what the URL is when we get it all up and running next month, help out fellow Bronco fans with a business, its the right thing to do.

Or we could just shoot them in the head like we would any other invading army.

[defenseman]

At some point, there will be a "grassroots" movement against the illegals. I can almost gaurantee it. It will carry some steam, and it will have some affect on the politicians. In addition, the "leaders" of the illegal immigrants movement will figure out they need to lay low for a while. They just pissed off alot of no-kidding americans with their diatribe...dman

[Old Dude]

I am sure there will be radicalization of both sides, because neither one is going to get what they want.

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by defenseman

At some point, there will be a "grassroots" movement against the illegals. I can almost gaurantee it. It will carry some steam, and it will have some affect on the politicians. In addition, the "leaders" of the illegal immigrants movement will figure out they need to lay low for a while. They just pissed off alot of no-kidding americans with their diatribe...dman

I think the "some point" is right around the corner. I also think, as Old Dude put it, that individual states and localities will begin to respond to pressure from their residents. I stopped in at the local pub monday afternoon for a cold one and many of the "old timers" were quite vocal regarding the blatant disregard for law shown by these Illegal Immigrants. Usually the talk is sports related, but the topic has drastically changed "thanks" to their march!

[alkemical]

you know the pubs and bars were where the planning for local regimes for the american revolution took place -

[Old Dude]

- - and other less happy movements - -

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

I think the "some point" is right around the corner. I also think, as Old Dude put it, that individual states and localities will begin to respond to pressure from their residents. I stopped in at the local pub monday afternoon for a cold one and many of the "old timers" were quite vocal regarding the blatant disregard for law shown by these Illegal Immigrants. Usually the talk is sports related, but the topic has drastically changed "thanks" to their march!

I called my democrat state rep here and gave them something to chew on. I told him that it's time to reign in this invasion and either you are with the American people on this or you are against them. Waiting for what I knew was coming (we're only state level and DC basically controls what happens) I told him you have great power in limiting illegal criminal rights and time for you to exercise that power or face voting citizens exercising their rights for someone who will.

Not much was said after that.